OT: NFL Draft

[Blue Ninja]

Jets had a nice draft. The GM knows what he's doing. Fans should be genuinely excited.

Not trying to say that your GM doesn't know what he is doing, but there hasn't been much of a difference draft wise between what he did this year and Idzick did his first year. I remember Jets fan's being extremely hyped with their draft in 2013 with Geno falling to them, etc.

Also another major criticism I've heard of the previous regimes was picking 5T's when you have 5T's already. That and corners.

[MaseInYourFace]

Jets had a nice draft. The GM knows what he's doing. Fans should be genuinely excited.

Not trying to say that your GM doesn't know what he is doing, but there hasn't been much of a difference draft wise between what he did this year and Idzick did his first year. I remember Jets fan's being extremely hyped with their draft in 2013 with Geno falling to them, etc.

Also another major criticism I've heard of the previous regimes was picking 5T's when you have 5T's already. That and corners.

Idzik was pretty clueless with draft and talent evaluation in general so let's see. I also liked that trade Mac (I can't remember how his name is spelled so I'll call him Mac) made with Texans.

[Blue Ninja]

Jets had a nice draft. The GM knows what he's doing. Fans should be genuinely excited.

Not trying to say that your GM doesn't know what he is doing, but there hasn't been much of a difference draft wise between what he did this year and Idzick did his first year. I remember Jets fan's being extremely hyped with their draft in 2013 with Geno falling to them, etc.

Also another major criticism I've heard of the previous regimes was picking 5T's when you have 5T's already. That and corners.

Idzik was pretty clueless with draft and talent evaluation in general so let's see. I also liked that trade Mac (I can't remember how his name is spelled so I'll call him Mac) made with Texans.

Outside of JJ Watt at 11 and DeAndre Hopkins at 27, the Texans drafts have been really bad. But yeah he's worked the trades okay imo. Just too early to judge him as great or clueless is all Im saying.

[MaseInYourFace]

Well granted he was the head of college scouting for Texans but I doubt he had final say on the picks.

[beasonu]

Good draft for both NY teams. Giants O-Line should be good for years to come with Flowers, Schwartz, and Pugh. If Flowers can become an elite LT he is a steal.

Trading up for Collins was a good move. Best safety in the draft and it was a need position. He should've gone in the first round.

The DE from UCLA, alphabet soup, looks like a beast. Should help the D-Line right away.

5th round pick was strictly for ST but I heard he is young and can develop into a good cover Safety.

WR FROM UCONN looks like a strong WR with good hands and was a Captain. I like the pick.

OL from FSU could help but idk much about him.

I give Reese a B+ ... That 5th round pick was a reach

I really hope I'll eat crow with this Flowers pick. Dude looking like Bartolo Colon out theree at Citi Field the other day

[fresko024]

Good draft for both NY teams. Giants O-Line should be good for years to come with Flowers, Schwartz, and Pugh. If Flowers can become an elite LT he is a steal.

Trading up for Collins was a good move. Best safety in the draft and it was a need position. He should've gone in the first round.

The DE from UCLA, alphabet soup, looks like a beast. Should help the D-Line right away.

5th round pick was strictly for ST but I heard he is young and can develop into a good cover Safety.

WR FROM UCONN looks like a strong WR with good hands and was a Captain. I like the pick.

OL from FSU could help but idk much about him.

I give Reese a B+ ... That 5th round pick was a reach

We also picked up Akeem Hunt, who is lightning fast and could be a pr/kr.

I peeped that. That's a good pickup. We should be much improved.

[fresko024]

Good draft for both NY teams. Giants O-Line should be good for years to come with Flowers, Schwartz, and Pugh. If Flowers can become an elite LT he is a steal.

Trading up for Collins was a good move. Best safety in the draft and it was a need position. He should've gone in the first round.

The DE from UCLA, alphabet soup, looks like a beast. Should help the D-Line right away.

5th round pick was strictly for ST but I heard he is young and can develop into a good cover Safety.

WR FROM UCONN looks like a strong WR with good hands and was a Captain. I like the pick.

OL from FSU could help but idk much about him.

I give Reese a B+ ... That 5th round pick was a reach

I really hope I'll eat crow with this Flowers pick. Dude looking like Bartolo Colon out theree at Citi Field the other day

Better than what we've had the last few years.

[nyjetsknicks420]

Jets had a nice draft. The GM knows what he's doing. Fans should be genuinely excited.

Not trying to say that your GM doesn't know what he is doing, but there hasn't been much of a difference draft wise between what he did this year and Idzick did his first year. I remember Jets fan's being extremely hyped with their draft in 2013 with Geno falling to them, etc.

Also another major criticism I've heard of the previous regimes was picking 5T's when you have 5T's already. That and corners.

You can't pass on williams there he is regarded as best player in the draft who cares if he is a Dlineman

Comparing any of this to idzik is a joke he sucked the guy had almost 20 draft picks in 2 season and hit on about 3 of them

[Blue Ninja]

Jets had a nice draft. The GM knows what he's doing. Fans should be genuinely excited.

Not trying to say that your GM doesn't know what he is doing, but there hasn't been much of a difference draft wise between what he did this year and Idzick did his first year. I remember Jets fan's being extremely hyped with their draft in 2013 with Geno falling to them, etc.

Also another major criticism I've heard of the previous regimes was picking 5T's when you have 5T's already. That and corners.

You can't pass on williams there he is regarded as best player in the draft who cares if he is a Dlineman

Comparing any of this to idzik is a joke he sucked the guy had almost 20 draft picks in 2 season and hit on about 3 of them

It's not that hard of a comparison tbh (draft wise year 1).

2013:

Spoiler:

1 9 (9) Dee Milliner CB Alabama
13 (13) Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri From Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Darrelle Revis.
2 7 (39) Geno Smith QB West Virginia
3 10 (72) Brian Winters G Kent State
4 9 (106) Traded to the New Orleans Saints for RB Chris Ivory.
5 8 (141) Oday Aboushi T Virginia
6 10 (178) William Campbell DT Michigan
7 9 (215) Tommy Bohanon FB Wake Forest

2015:

Spoiler:

1 6 Leonard Williams Defensive end / Defensive tackle USC
2 37 Devin Smith Wide receiver Ohio St.
3 70 Traded to the Houston Texans for picks 82, 152, 229, and DeVier Posey.
82 Lorenzo Mauldin Outside Linebacker Louisville Traded from the Houston Texans for pick 70 along with DeVier Posey
4 103 Bryce Petty Quarterback Baylor Traded from the Jacksonville Jaguars for pick 104 and 229
104 Traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars for pick 103.
5 142 Traded to the Chicago Bears for WR Brandon Marshall.
152 Jarvis Harrison Guard Texas A&M Traded from the Houston Texans for pick 70 along with DeVier Posey.
6 180 Traded to the Seattle Seahawks for WR Percy Harvin.
7 223 Deon Simon Defensive tackle Northwestern State
224 Traded from the Chicago Bears with WR Brandon Marshall then traded to the St. Louis Rams for RB Zac Stacy.
229 Traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars for pick 103.

Both traded pick(s) for players (both a runningback). Both got a player considered to be great value (Geno Smith and Dee Milliner/Leonard Williams). Both got a 5T with great value, but definitely not a need (especially this year).

In addition, the track record of his Texans days, doesn't give too much confidence in his drafting ability (GMs usually listen to scouts and directors of draft in making the picks, although it's true he might not have had final say).

All I'm saying is, it's too early to proclaim this guy as a savior, when in reality his draft might not even be better than Idzick's one. I mean after all, he did pick 4 starters (projected for next year) in 7 picks, with 2 still being decent depth. His player trade is also still a starter for the team. That's pretty damn good out of a draft if you ask me.

[EchelonNYK]

Yo, how about those Jets?! I haven't been this excited about Jets football in awhile to be quite honest. I'm currently looking at the games against the Colts and Eagles early in the season as true tests for them. Hopefully they pass

I'm not one bit worried about the Browns in the opener. The Jets should handle their business against them easily. No lube.

[nyjetsknicks420]

Not trying to say that your GM doesn't know what he is doing, but there hasn't been much of a difference draft wise between what he did this year and Idzick did his first year. I remember Jets fan's being extremely hyped with their draft in 2013 with Geno falling to them, etc.

Also another major criticism I've heard of the previous regimes was picking 5T's when you have 5T's already. That and corners.

You can't pass on williams there he is regarded as best player in the draft who cares if he is a Dlineman

Comparing any of this to idzik is a joke he sucked the guy had almost 20 draft picks in 2 season and hit on about 3 of them

It's not that hard of a comparison tbh (draft wise year 1).

2013:

Spoiler:

1 9 (9) Dee Milliner CB Alabama
13 (13) Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri From Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Darrelle Revis.
2 7 (39) Geno Smith QB West Virginia
3 10 (72) Brian Winters G Kent State
4 9 (106) Traded to the New Orleans Saints for RB Chris Ivory.
5 8 (141) Oday Aboushi T Virginia
6 10 (178) William Campbell DT Michigan
7 9 (215) Tommy Bohanon FB Wake Forest

2015:

Spoiler:

1 6 Leonard Williams Defensive end / Defensive tackle USC
2 37 Devin Smith Wide receiver Ohio St.
3 70 Traded to the Houston Texans for picks 82, 152, 229, and DeVier Posey.
82 Lorenzo Mauldin Outside Linebacker Louisville Traded from the Houston Texans for pick 70 along with DeVier Posey
4 103 Bryce Petty Quarterback Baylor Traded from the Jacksonville Jaguars for pick 104 and 229
104 Traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars for pick 103.
5 142 Traded to the Chicago Bears for WR Brandon Marshall.
152 Jarvis Harrison Guard Texas A&M Traded from the Houston Texans for pick 70 along with DeVier Posey.
6 180 Traded to the Seattle Seahawks for WR Percy Harvin.
7 223 Deon Simon Defensive tackle Northwestern State
224 Traded from the Chicago Bears with WR Brandon Marshall then traded to the St. Louis Rams for RB Zac Stacy.
229 Traded to the Jacksonville Jaguars for pick 103.

Both traded pick(s) for players (both a runningback). Both got a player considered to be great value (Geno Smith and Dee Milliner/Leonard Williams). Both got a 5T with great value, but definitely not a need (especially this year).

In addition, the track record of his Texans days, doesn't give too much confidence in his drafting ability (GMs usually listen to scouts and directors of draft in making the picks, although it's true he might not have had final say).

All I'm saying is, it's too early to proclaim this guy as a savior, when in reality his draft might not even be better than Idzick's one. I mean after all, he did pick 4 starters (projected for next year) in 7 picks, with 2 still being decent depth. His player trade is also still a starter for the team. That's pretty damn good out of a draft if you ask me.

Where are you seeing 4 starters in that draft?
Geno and Sheldon are only ones who will start
Milliner is our 4th cb and will probably get hurt anyway
Winters and Aboushi suck
And the rest def. Aren't starting

I no its to early to say how this draft was this year but the consensus is we had an extremely good draft

Also let's take into account that idzik had 12 picks last season and so far maybe 2 of them woll.be good players in Pryor and amaro but the jury is still out on them

[Blue Ninja]

Where are you seeing 4 starters in that draft?
Geno and Sheldon are only ones who will start
Milliner is our 4th cb and will probably get hurt anyway
Winters and Aboushi suck
And the rest def. Aren't starting

I no its to early to say how this draft was this year but the consensus is we had an extremely good draft

Also let's take into account that idzik had 12 picks last season and so far maybe 2 of them woll.be good players in Pryor and amaro but the jury is still out on them

Thought one of Winters/Aboushi were scheduled to start, but maybe Breno is better than them, idk. One should definitely be okay depth at least. They both have starting experience now and good size. Milliner is about as good a 3rd corner in the NFL as there is. He'd be a #3 or #2 on some teams. That's still a good player.

So 3 years later, 4 starters (Richardson, Smith, Bohanon, Ivory), 2-3 more guys who'll be depth (Milliner, Winters, Aboushi) out of 7 picks. Still not a bad draft.

The consensus in 2012 was the Giants had an A draft. Now there's one guy who a #3 receiver for us and 4 who will fight to make the roster (with only 1-2 having a real shot). So 1 year earlier than Idzick's first draft, the Giant's did worse with a highly praised draft.

Spoiler:

1 32 David Wilson Running Back Virginia Tech
2 63 Rueben Randle Wide Receiver LSU
3 94 Jayron Hosley Cornerback Virginia Tech
4 127 Adrien Robinson Tight End Cincinnati
131 Brandon Mosley Offensive Tackle Auburn
5 Traded for Keith Rivers
6 201 Matt McCants Offensive Tackle UAB
7 239 Markus Kuhn Defensive Tackle NC State

It's not fair to compare 2 years of work to 1. Also not fair to blame Idzick for the draft when he has no background in it and is trusting his scouts/staff. Just saying this takes time. Idzick obviously wasn't very good, but that definitely doesn't say this guy will be. It's still a QB driven league and guys will still get fired over it. Hopefully Geno can take a leap next year, but I bet no one will give credit to Idzick for picking him if he does develop.

[rammagen]

sorry bud idzick sucked , you can't blame the scouts ebcause the gm has the final word. in 2 free agency periods and drafts he failed in so many ways besides the picks
he failed to get the coach players he needed for his defense, receivers for a young qb so far his best move was Ivory and Richardson because the the 2 corners he drafted have been injured the olinemen he drafted really did not come one as expected. I tell you what you start Geno next yr and tell me how good he may be.....
This GM cost an entire coaching staff their job how bad is that

[rammagen]

sorry bud idzick sucked , you can't blame the scouts ebcause the gm has the final word. in 2 free agency periods and drafts he failed in so many ways besides the picks
he failed to get the coach players he needed for his defense, receivers for a young qb so far his best move was Ivory and Richardson because the the 2 corners he drafted have been injured the olinemen he drafted really did not come one as expected. I tell you what you start Geno next yr and tell me how good he may be.....He drafts were bad miss management off free agency was just as bad
This GM cost an entire coaching staff their job how bad is that

I want to add one more thing
While this is macs first draft he did not do bad but it is early but to walk away with arguable the best player in the draft not a qb is luck and playing the board well and not panicking he could have panic moved and traded or reached for olineman (more then likely flowers but that is a reach at 6)
He stuck to his board and he let everyone know before hand and played his cards well. he unlike Idzick does not seem out of his league at this level and that was another concern for the previous gm

[Blue Ninja]

sorry bud idzick sucked , you can't blame the scouts ebcause the gm has the final word. in 2 free agency periods and drafts he failed in so many ways besides the picks
he failed to get the coach players he needed for his defense, receivers for a young qb so far his best move was Ivory and Richardson because the the 2 corners he drafted have been injured the olinemen he drafted really did not come one as expected. I tell you what you start Geno next yr and tell me how good he may be.....He drafts were bad miss management off free agency was just as bad
This GM cost an entire coaching staff their job how bad is that

I want to add one more thing
While this is macs first draft he did not do bad but it is early but to walk away with arguable the best player in the draft not a qb is luck and playing the board well and not panicking he could have panic moved and traded or reached for olineman (more then likely flowers but that is a reach at 6)
He stuck to his board and he let everyone know before hand and played his cards well. he unlike Idzick does not seem out of his league at this level and that was another concern for the previous gm

I don't disagree that he sucked, but in the end scouts and directors work with the GM to make the big board and put players in rows. Final decision is pretty much made beforehand, by the staff. Being as he had little to no experience with drafts, I'm sure he didn't do the heavy lifting there.

Not arguing free agency. Not sure if it was ownership or Idzick, but his plan of not offering guys like Rogers-Cromartie more than 1 year deal, was one of the dumbest I'd seen. Maybe ownership tied his hands in making long term commitments or maybe he actually thought stuff like that would work, but it was definitely terrible. New GM definitely was allowed to splurge a lot more.

There's an argument to be made that the coach failed to develop some of those guys also, but I agree, he needed more DBs and failed to do so. I agree there was too much unspent money. Who's to really blame for it though? I'm sure as a GM it's like monopoly money to him, so he'd want to have good players at any cost, especially so with his job on the line.

I agree Williams should've been the pick, because he's the best player of the draft. You always pick that guy, just find it hypocritical that some blamed Idzick for picking Richardson, because they had too many 5T. Playing to needs would've been Kevin White or Ereck Flowers or Vic Beasley. None of those guys would've been reaches, but maybe not BPA.

In the end, it's much too early to judge if he's great, good, average, bad or over his head. Previous work with the Texans would show bad, but he's the man in charge now so it's a clean slate.

[moocow007]

Idzik was absolutely BRUTAL. And that's doing a disservice to the word brutal.

He flubbed in the draft (he has no experience in player personnel or scouting and it showed by the absolute brutal picks he made...and he was handed a whopping 12 picks in 2015 to try to get something useful). He flubbed in signing free agents (he also had no experience working with agents and player signings and apparently felt that low balling free agents with a "take it or leave it" approach was the way to sign the top tier free agents).

Bottom line is he had absolutely no experience in evaluating talent nor dealing with player agents. He was a pure cap guy which he did manage to get the Jets under. But all the cap space in the world doesn't mean diddly if you can't do anything with it.

[nyjetsknicks420]

sorry bud idzick sucked , you can't blame the scouts ebcause the gm has the final word. in 2 free agency periods and drafts he failed in so many ways besides the picks
he failed to get the coach players he needed for his defense, receivers for a young qb so far his best move was Ivory and Richardson because the the 2 corners he drafted have been injured the olinemen he drafted really did not come one as expected. I tell you what you start Geno next yr and tell me how good he may be.....He drafts were bad miss management off free agency was just as bad
This GM cost an entire coaching staff their job how bad is that

I want to add one more thing
While this is macs first draft he did not do bad but it is early but to walk away with arguable the best player in the draft not a qb is luck and playing the board well and not panicking he could have panic moved and traded or reached for olineman (more then likely flowers but that is a reach at 6)
He stuck to his board and he let everyone know before hand and played his cards well. he unlike Idzick does not seem out of his league at this level and that was another concern for the previous gm

I don't disagree that he sucked, but in the end scouts and directors work with the GM to make the big board and put players in rows. Final decision is pretty much made beforehand, by the staff. Being as he had little to no experience with drafts, I'm sure he didn't do the heavy lifting there.

Not arguing free agency. Not sure if it was ownership or Idzick, but his plan of not offering guys like Rogers-Cromartie more than 1 year deal, was one of the dumbest I'd seen. Maybe ownership tied his hands in making long term commitments or maybe he actually thought stuff like that would work, but it was definitely terrible. New GM definitely was allowed to splurge a lot more.

There's an argument to be made that the coach failed to develop some of those guys also, but I agree, he needed more DBs and failed to do so. I agree there was too much unspent money. Who's to really blame for it though? I'm sure as a GM it's like monopoly money to him, so he'd want to have good players at any cost, especially so with his job on the line.

I agree Williams should've been the pick, because he's the best player of the draft. You always pick that guy, just find it hypocritical that some blamed Idzick for picking Richardson, because they had too many 5T. Playing to needs would've been Kevin White or Ereck Flowers or Vic Beasley. None of those guys would've been reaches, but maybe not BPA.

In the end, it's much too early to judge if he's great, good, average, bad or over his head. Previous work with the Texans would show bad, but he's the man in charge now so it's a clean slate.

Judging by how **** tbe bills drafted Rex could have and was part of the issue

As for development we had none I don't recall any 2nd or 3rd day draft picks ever developing into anything maybe besides Demario Davis

I think people didn't like the richardson pick because like you said he was dline and I don't think a lot of people knew who he was

I remember when we picked him I was like wtf then I instantly went and watch some of his tape and knew he was going to be a beast

When it's all said and done we have maybe the best defense in the nfl especially if Mauldin can contribute anything this year at least rushing the passer

We got a burner who compliments marshall and decker perfectly and who is a better all around wr then given credit for

A qb who has the tools to become good but is still a project and we all know geno sucks so we gotta draft qb every year until we hit on one

[SaveUsKP6]

I thought the Jets had a GREAT first two rounds, a good 3rd and 4th then meh til the end.

Williams was an absolute robbery. How did that happen? I don't care if he plays a redundant position... when he's drawing comparisons to Reggie White and Richard Seymour, you take him. I also loved the Devin Smith pick. That's the guy i wanted in the 2nd if we didn't land Cooper. He's a perfect fit for our current crop of receivers. Very excited to see the dynamic between him and our two workhorses.

I really did not like trading down. We needed speed out of the backfield coming out of this draft and we passed on Duke Johnson just to pick up a 5th where we took an OL who has serious work ethic and character issues. I was a fan of the Petty pick and after hearing Macc and Bowles talk about it, I'm even happier. We are going to develop the guy the right way... FINALLY. He's got everything you want in an NFL quarterback, it's gonna be on the coaching staff from here on out.

I also don't get trading for Stacy. Great value trade but he's basically Ivory and Ridley but not as good. Weird move.

I'm excited. I hate doing that as a Jets fan, but I can't help it.

[moocow007]

Leonard Williams was a no brainer.

So depending on how the rest of the players the Jets drafted does it may be premature to say that Mike Maccagnan "knew what he was doing". The Williams pick should be credited to Scot McCloughan, the Redskins rookie GM who has been widely criticized for passing on Williams in favor of Brandon Scherff.

As far as Maccagnan keeping his word (about drafting BPA). I'm also not sure that he really did. Again Leonard Williams was a no brainer. An semi sentient organ grinder monkey would have known to pick Leonard Williams. That pick wasn't just BPA, it was common sense that any living breathing human would be expected to have.

When you look at Maccagnan's other picks, I'm not so sure that BPA was the formula he followed. Now of course you can argue that BPA is based on opinion but if we look at BPA based on general consensus I don't think any of his other picks were considered BPA's at the time they were picked. Many seemed to be based on need (positional) and/or fit (style/demeanor).

Devin Smith is a perfect example.

A guy that a lot of us were really intrigued by, Dorial Green-Beckham (or DGB), was generally considered to have top 10 talent. In fact some believed that without the off court issues he could have been the 1st WR taken in the draft (that's how much folks thought of his talent/upside). IMHO DGB would have been the BPA pick with their 2nd round pick. A 6'5" 237lb WR with great hands, 4.35 speed and the ability to create after the catch and make vertical catches don't grow on trees.

Randy Gregory, a green room guy, was another guy who many had being drafted in the top 10 if not some concerns about his off court behavior and overall character.

But instead of either the Jets went with Devin Smith, a burner (deep threat) that was obviously and clearly a better FIT for their team (with Marshall and Decker the Jets lacked a deep guy). Smith did lead college with yards per catch but it was in somewhat of a small sample size. Great character and intensity which seems to be something the Jets were drafting for (nothing wrong with that but again, more fit than BPA).

Had they gone BPA it should probably have been one of these 2 guys. Top 10 football talents.

[mpharris36]

But Moo BPA doesn't always mean best "talent" available. They guys go through interviews and meetings and tests and workouts.

You can't just sit and look at the so called "experts" big board like McShay, Kiper, and Mayock because those guys are in the meetings they are just looking at the combine and film on these guys.

100% they were the most talented on the board, but you have to ask your self if that player with be able to play up to his talent on our team. Especially in New York for the Giants and Jets they may to be even more cautious with picking guys with "off the field" issues because of the environment here.

While dorial green-beckham had the most physical talent...there is a reason he slipped. Teams passed on him because a lot of times uber talented players don't succeed because they are either not smart on and off the field and not willing to do whatever it takes to reach that potential. Can't blame the jets on not picking those guys.

BPA is subjective...because theoretically BPA for one team isn't BPA for another. Of course you want to take BPA but what some people don't get is that "need" is involved in BPA. They needed a burner so they probably rated fast WR higher than bigger slower ones because they already had those.