OT: Bronx Bernie Sanders rally Rosario Dawson, Residente on 3/31

[ToastinKP]

With the cut off in October to change parties and I think new registrations just passed it is like they don't want too many people to vote.

New registrations hasn't passed yet I don't think and they implemented that rule change after Democrats in Michigan got Santorum a win in Michigan to stop Romney the election after Rush Limbaugh got a ton of Republicans to screw with the Democratic vote for Barack in 08. Its a rule that's dumb but needed.

I'm pretty sure the deadline for previously unregistered voters was sometime in the end of March, which I don't think is absurd as it's less than a month before the primary.

But yes, you're right, the reason that more than half the states in the U.S. (New York is not unique here) don't allow open primaries is to prevent "party crashing". And since open primaries are really more the exception than the norm, it's logical to conclude that many of those 3 million Independents registered knowing that they won't be able to vote in the primary unless they switch in time. To address those that didn't know, or didn't have the proper means to know, I have no problem with programs aimed at expanding voter education.

Civics are not even taught in high school any longer

[E-Balla]

New registrations hasn't passed yet I don't think and they implemented that rule change after Democrats in Michigan got Santorum a win in Michigan to stop Romney the election after Rush Limbaugh got a ton of Republicans to screw with the Democratic vote for Barack in 08. Its a rule that's dumb but needed.

I'm pretty sure the deadline for previously unregistered voters was sometime in the end of March, which I don't think is absurd as it's less than a month before the primary.

But yes, you're right, the reason that more than half the states in the U.S. (New York is not unique here) don't allow open primaries is to prevent "party crashing". And since open primaries are really more the exception than the norm, it's logical to conclude that many of those 3 million Independents registered knowing that they won't be able to vote in the primary unless they switch in time. To address those that didn't know, or didn't have the proper means to know, I have no problem with programs aimed at expanding voter education.

Civics are not even taught in high school any longer

What is civics and what did it teach?

[ToastinKP]

I'm pretty sure the deadline for previously unregistered voters was sometime in the end of March, which I don't think is absurd as it's less than a month before the primary.

But yes, you're right, the reason that more than half the states in the U.S. (New York is not unique here) don't allow open primaries is to prevent "party crashing". And since open primaries are really more the exception than the norm, it's logical to conclude that many of those 3 million Independents registered knowing that they won't be able to vote in the primary unless they switch in time. To address those that didn't know, or didn't have the proper means to know, I have no problem with programs aimed at expanding voter education.

Civics are not even taught in high school any longer

What is civics and what did it teach?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civics

Civics is the study of the theoretical and practical aspects of citizenship, its rights and duties; the duties of citizens to each other as members of a political body and to the government.[1] It includes the study of civil law and civil code, and the study of government with attention to the role of citizens ― as opposed to external factors ― in the operation and oversight of government.[1]

Within a given political or ethical tradition, civics refers to educating the citizens. The history of civics dates back to the earliest theories of civics by Confucius in ancient China and Plato in ancient Greece. In China also along with Confucianism developed the tradition of Legalism. These traditions in the East and in the West developed to an extent differently, therefore, with bringing in the past different concepts of citizens rights and the application of justice, together with different ethics in public life. This was mainly valid before the translation of the Western legal tradition to Chinese which started in 1839 after which influence by Western tradition was brought to China, with periods of restoration of traditional Chinese law, influence by Soviet law; specific is the common ordinary language used in Chinese laws which has significant educational role.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/circle-study-finds-most-s_n_1959522.html

[E-Balla]

Civics are not even taught in high school any longer

What is civics and what did it teach?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civics

Civics is the study of the theoretical and practical aspects of citizenship, its rights and duties; the duties of citizens to each other as members of a political body and to the government.[1] It includes the study of civil law and civil code, and the study of government with attention to the role of citizens ― as opposed to external factors ― in the operation and oversight of government.[1]

Within a given political or ethical tradition, civics refers to educating the citizens. The history of civics dates back to the earliest theories of civics by Confucius in ancient China and Plato in ancient Greece. In China also along with Confucianism developed the tradition of Legalism. These traditions in the East and in the West developed to an extent differently, therefore, with bringing in the past different concepts of citizens rights and the application of justice, together with different ethics in public life. This was mainly valid before the translation of the Western legal tradition to Chinese which started in 1839 after which influence by Western tradition was brought to China, with periods of restoration of traditional Chinese law, influence by Soviet law; specific is the common ordinary language used in Chinese laws which has significant educational role.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/circle-study-finds-most-s_n_1959522.html

We learned that stuff in Social Studies and was one of the last classes that had to pass the SS test to graduate in GA. Didn't realize we were one of the last states to require it anyway...

[HarthorneWingo]

I would guess this is more of a case of Emerson being way off originally (and might still be off). Every poll dating back to March 2015 (over a year) showed Hillary between 51-55% in New York except for that one Emerson poll that had her up in the 70's. That was simply never realistic. I mean, seriously, the previous Emerson poll had her winning 85% of the Latino vote. EIGHTY-FIVE lol. They clearly either had a horrific sample in the original poll, or just shouldn't be taken seriously in general. I suspect things will continue to close until it gets to 53-47 or 55-45; somewhere in that range. The polls haven't shown Hillary losing any support in New York yet, which is the key for her. Even this Emerson poll, which I take with a large grain of salt, still shows her at 56%. If Bernie can't actually win over Hillary supporters, he's in serious trouble in New York.

Bernie's going to win NY. You'll see.

With the closed primary it is going to be hard. Even so his rallies are still having a very high turn out in NY and I hope the media is just trying to drown out support for Bernie.

With Bill attacking Black Matters protesters and Blasio's and Hillary's little stunt the other day I hope people see what kind of users these people truly are.

Yeah, I was looking at that one poll which had him down 6 points. I'm having my doubts too.

[machu46]

Bernie's going to win NY. You'll see.

With the closed primary it is going to be hard. Even so his rallies are still having a very high turn out in NY and I hope the media is just trying to drown out support for Bernie.

With Bill attacking Black Matters protesters and Blasio's and Hillary's little stunt the other day I hope people see what kind of users these people truly are.

Yeah, I was looking at that one poll which had him down 6 points. I'm having my doubts too.

Hillary's been between 50-56 percent in every NY poll since like November or something. Based on that, and Bernie's changing of the goalposts (now saying they're in good position even with a loss in NY), it seems that there's very little hope of him pulling it off at this point. The polls and demographics all point to a roughly 15% loss for Bernie.

I do believe he has a legitimate chance in PA though but we'll have to wait and see. Betting markets have Hillary with an 80-90% chance in basically all of the upcoming big states. Bernie clearly has his work cut out for him.


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[CJackson]

FYI

reminder

sanders-clinton debate
wed. nite
on CNN and NY1
9-11pm

wet t-shirt contest immediately after

[Knickfan1982]

With the closed primary it is going to be hard. Even so his rallies are still having a very high turn out in NY and I hope the media is just trying to drown out support for Bernie.

With Bill attacking Black Matters protesters and Blasio's and Hillary's little stunt the other day I hope people see what kind of users these people truly are.

Yeah, I was looking at that one poll which had him down 6 points. I'm having my doubts too.

Hillary's been between 50-56 percent in every NY poll since like November or something. Based on that, and Bernie's changing of the goalposts (now saying they're in good position even with a loss in NY), it seems that there's very little hope of him pulling it off at this point. The polls and demographics all point to a roughly 15% loss for Bernie.

I do believe he has a legitimate chance in PA though but we'll have to wait and see. Betting markets have Hillary with an 80-90% chance in basically all of the upcoming big states. Bernie clearly has his work cut out for him.


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And I blame the media for this. Any other candidate in history wins 7 of the previous 8 states and they'd be screaming about his momentum. With Bernie they are just like....oh well he won't win anyway. Maybe...just maybe if the media gave Bernie a fair shake things would be able to change. Bernie won't have to settle for a competitive loss but actually pull out the win in Shillary's backyard. As long as the media keeps talking about Hillary's nomination as if it were inevitable the voters will believe it as well.

[machu46]

Yeah, I was looking at that one poll which had him down 6 points. I'm having my doubts too.

Hillary's been between 50-56 percent in every NY poll since like November or something. Based on that, and Bernie's changing of the goalposts (now saying they're in good position even with a loss in NY), it seems that there's very little hope of him pulling it off at this point. The polls and demographics all point to a roughly 15% loss for Bernie.

I do believe he has a legitimate chance in PA though but we'll have to wait and see. Betting markets have Hillary with an 80-90% chance in basically all of the upcoming big states. Bernie clearly has his work cut out for him.


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And I blame the media for this. Any other candidate in history wins 7 of the previous 8 states and they'd be screaming about his momentum. With Bernie they are just like....oh well he won't win anyway. Maybe...just maybe if the media gave Bernie a fair shake things would be able to change. Bernie won't have to settle for a competitive loss but actually pull out the win in Shillary's backyard. As long as the media keeps talking about Hillary's nomination as if it were inevitable the voters will believe it as well.

Eh, most of the media has talked about Bernie having momentum, but sites like 538 that are more numbers-oriented and are becoming more popular are arguing momentum doesn't really exist, and that this is simply a case of demographics being friendly to Bernie for the last 7 of 8 states, just like the 7 or 8 before that were friendly to Hillary.

Honestly, I think most of the media treats Bernie as if he has a better chance of winning the nomination than he does. Nobody has ever come back from such a large deficit.

It's possible that Bernie could, but it would take a mini miracle and it isn't looking good for him right now.


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[Knickfan1982]

Hillary's been between 50-56 percent in every NY poll since like November or something. Based on that, and Bernie's changing of the goalposts (now saying they're in good position even with a loss in NY), it seems that there's very little hope of him pulling it off at this point. The polls and demographics all point to a roughly 15% loss for Bernie.

I do believe he has a legitimate chance in PA though but we'll have to wait and see. Betting markets have Hillary with an 80-90% chance in basically all of the upcoming big states. Bernie clearly has his work cut out for him.


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And I blame the media for this. Any other candidate in history wins 7 of the previous 8 states and they'd be screaming about his momentum. With Bernie they are just like....oh well he won't win anyway. Maybe...just maybe if the media gave Bernie a fair shake things would be able to change. Bernie won't have to settle for a competitive loss but actually pull out the win in Shillary's backyard. As long as the media keeps talking about Hillary's nomination as if it were inevitable the voters will believe it as well.

Eh, most of the media has talked about Bernie having momentum, but sites like 538 that are more numbers-oriented and are becoming more popular are arguing momentum doesn't really exist, and that this is simply a case of demographics being friendly to Bernie for the last 7 of 8 states, just like the 7 or 8 before that were friendly to Hillary.

Honestly, I think most of the media treats Bernie as if he has a better chance of winning the nomination than he does. Nobody has ever come back from such a large deficit.

It's possible that Bernie could, but it would take a mini miracle and it isn't looking good for him right now.


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That is absolutely not what I am experiencing and I live in the media capitol of the world.

In fact, its just not true. We (as in you, me and most people who use internet message boards) are intelligent enough to know how to use the internet have access to media that isn't mainstream so we're able to see more fair coverage of Bernie. But statistical analysis shows that the coverage Bernie receives pales in comparison to Shillary or Trump.

[machu46]

And I blame the media for this. Any other candidate in history wins 7 of the previous 8 states and they'd be screaming about his momentum. With Bernie they are just like....oh well he won't win anyway. Maybe...just maybe if the media gave Bernie a fair shake things would be able to change. Bernie won't have to settle for a competitive loss but actually pull out the win in Shillary's backyard. As long as the media keeps talking about Hillary's nomination as if it were inevitable the voters will believe it as well.

Eh, most of the media has talked about Bernie having momentum, but sites like 538 that are more numbers-oriented and are becoming more popular are arguing momentum doesn't really exist, and that this is simply a case of demographics being friendly to Bernie for the last 7 of 8 states, just like the 7 or 8 before that were friendly to Hillary.

Honestly, I think most of the media treats Bernie as if he has a better chance of winning the nomination than he does. Nobody has ever come back from such a large deficit.

It's possible that Bernie could, but it would take a mini miracle and it isn't looking good for him right now.


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That is absolutely not what I am experiencing and I live in the media capitol of the world.

Idk, CNN is regarded as "Clinton News Network" but they constantly talk about it as if Bernie has momentum/has a chance at coming back. I guess it just depends where you're looking. The news channels/websites I read seem to be trying to keep Bernie's hopes alive because it's boring to talk about a one-sided race.

At this point, everyone basically knows how both parties nominations will go but they have to try to drum up interest somehow.

Edit: To respond to the part that was added in after I quoted you:

It's not surprising that somebody that mathematically has a tiny chance or no chance at all is receiving less coverage than the two that are leading by wide margins. It's like complaining that the Knicks get less coverage than the Warriors this year.

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[HarthorneWingo]

Hillary's been between 50-56 percent in every NY poll since like November or something. Based on that, and Bernie's changing of the goalposts (now saying they're in good position even with a loss in NY), it seems that there's very little hope of him pulling it off at this point. The polls and demographics all point to a roughly 15% loss for Bernie.

I do believe he has a legitimate chance in PA though but we'll have to wait and see. Betting markets have Hillary with an 80-90% chance in basically all of the upcoming big states. Bernie clearly has his work cut out for him.


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And I blame the media for this. Any other candidate in history wins 7 of the previous 8 states and they'd be screaming about his momentum. With Bernie they are just like....oh well he won't win anyway. Maybe...just maybe if the media gave Bernie a fair shake things would be able to change. Bernie won't have to settle for a competitive loss but actually pull out the win in Shillary's backyard. As long as the media keeps talking about Hillary's nomination as if it were inevitable the voters will believe it as well.

Eh, most of the media has talked about Bernie having momentum, but sites like 538 that are more numbers-oriented and are becoming more popular are arguing momentum doesn't really exist, and that this is simply a case of demographics being friendly to Bernie for the last 7 of 8 states, just like the 7 or 8 before that were friendly to Hillary.

Honestly, I think most of the media treats Bernie as if he has a better chance of winning the nomination than he does. Nobody has ever come back from such a large deficit.

It's possible that Bernie could, but it would take a mini miracle and it isn't looking good for him right now.

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Bernie's backers rage against Democratic machine

Sanders supporters say their frustration over the superdelegate system is compounded by what they consider to be insufficient attention focused on the Vermont senator. Pro-Sanders reddit forums are devoted to the idea, with featured threads on the news media ignoring Sanders or giving him unfair coverage.

A recent Pew Research survey found that 58 percent of Sanders backers say the Vermont senator has received too little coverage.

*****

“When he does get coverage, it's ‘great, he’s won another state, but he can’t win,’” Russell said of the general tone of media coverage. “Well, he keeps winning!”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-supporters-democrats-221842#ixzz45m7rHPLb
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-supporters-democrats-221842

How The Media Missed Bernie Sanders

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/18/politics/bernie-sanders-media/

The Escalating Media Assault Against Bernie Sanders

http://billmoyers.com/story/the-escalating-media-assault-on-bernie-sanders/

Bernie Bias: The Mainstream Media Undermines Sanders at Every Turn

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-bias-mainstream-media-undermines-sanders-every-turn

A Dozen Reasons Sanders Voters Are Justifiably Angry at the Media Right Now

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/20-reasons-sanders-voters-are-justifiably-angry_b_9544744.html

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGz2Jc8FpvU[/youtube]

I could go on and on, but you get the point.

[ToastinKP]

Bernie did pretty pretty good last night at Washington Square!!!!





27,000 and with another 20,000 or so on the streets surrounding the park. I watched on a live stream on youtube and 17,000 was the total......

Bernie will be at Prospect Park Sunday and Danny DeVito will be there. FEEL. THE. BERN!!!!!

[ToastinKP]

And I blame the media for this. Any other candidate in history wins 7 of the previous 8 states and they'd be screaming about his momentum. With Bernie they are just like....oh well he won't win anyway. Maybe...just maybe if the media gave Bernie a fair shake things would be able to change. Bernie won't have to settle for a competitive loss but actually pull out the win in Shillary's backyard. As long as the media keeps talking about Hillary's nomination as if it were inevitable the voters will believe it as well.

Eh, most of the media has talked about Bernie having momentum, but sites like 538 that are more numbers-oriented and are becoming more popular are arguing momentum doesn't really exist, and that this is simply a case of demographics being friendly to Bernie for the last 7 of 8 states, just like the 7 or 8 before that were friendly to Hillary.

Honestly, I think most of the media treats Bernie as if he has a better chance of winning the nomination than he does. Nobody has ever come back from such a large deficit.

It's possible that Bernie could, but it would take a mini miracle and it isn't looking good for him right now.

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Bernie's backers rage against Democratic machine

Sanders supporters say their frustration over the superdelegate system is compounded by what they consider to be insufficient attention focused on the Vermont senator. Pro-Sanders reddit forums are devoted to the idea, with featured threads on the news media ignoring Sanders or giving him unfair coverage.

A recent Pew Research survey found that 58 percent of Sanders backers say the Vermont senator has received too little coverage.

*****

“When he does get coverage, it's ‘great, he’s won another state, but he can’t win,’” Russell said of the general tone of media coverage. “Well, he keeps winning!”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-supporters-democrats-221842#ixzz45m7rHPLb
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-supporters-democrats-221842

How The Media Missed Bernie Sanders

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/18/politics/bernie-sanders-media/

The Escalating Media Assault Against Bernie Sanders

http://billmoyers.com/story/the-escalating-media-assault-on-bernie-sanders/

Bernie Bias: The Mainstream Media Undermines Sanders at Every Turn

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-bias-mainstream-media-undermines-sanders-every-turn

A Dozen Reasons Sanders Voters Are Justifiably Angry at the Media Right Now

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/20-reasons-sanders-voters-are-justifiably-angry_b_9544744.html

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGz2Jc8FpvU[/youtube]

I could go on and on, but you get the point.

Clinton lies about Honduras.....

"She's Baldly Lying": Dana Frank Responds to Hillary Clinton's Defense of Her Role in Honduras Coup

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/13/shes_baldly_lying_dana_frank_responds?autostart=true

BTW Hillary removed her comments about Honduras from the paperback version of Hard Choices. This person is not a Democrat and is just another Neocon. My kids do not know of life without war and our actions are just feeding the flames killing many and making the MIC rich........

[ToastinKP]

The two face two step.......Enough is enough!!!!

Hillary Clinton rakes in Verizon cash while Bernie Sanders supports company’s striking workers

Verizon paid Hillary $225,000 for speech and poured money into Clinton Foundation. Executives give to her campaign

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/13/hillary_clinton_rakes_in_verizon_cash_while_bernie_sanders_supports_companys_striking_workers/

[CJackson]

looks like bernie took his game to a hole otha level! tonite

will it translate into a victory? dont know but if a debate is going to tip the undecided to him he did everything he could to take control and show whos the boss. he thumped her good

[xNewYorkMadex]

Crazy how many times Hilary mentions Barack Obama during every debate.

You would think shes actually married into him instead of Bill. She really panders to the black audience. Smart, but damn. Be your own person.

[qm22]

Crazy how many times Hilary mentions Barack Obama during every debate.

You would think shes actually married into him instead of Bill. She really panders to the black audience. Smart, but damn. Be your own person.

Bernie should have pointed it out a bit better than he has, and earlier. The media never really scrutinized this (i.e., comparisons to her 2008 differences), and with Obama often praising Clinton, her campaign has made it into a major plus.

If I were Sanders I would point out how Obama has named Syria operations as the biggest regret of his presidency, when it was something Hillary influenced him towards.

[CJackson]

Crazy how many times Hilary mentions Barack Obama during every debate.

You would think shes actually married into him instead of Bill. She really panders to the black audience. Smart, but damn. Be your own person.

Bernie should have pointed it out a bit better than he has, and earlier. The media never really scrutinized this (i.e., comparisons to her 2008 differences), and with Obama often praising Clinton, her campaign has made it into a major plus.

If I were Sanders I would point out how Obama has named Syria operations as the biggest regret of his presidency, when it was something Hillary influenced him towards.

depending on what channels of information you consume the clintons and the obamas pretty much hate each other. shes just hustling obamas name because she thinks it will get her elected. what is obama going to do? nothing because he cant say stop saying good things about me bitch. pretty gross situation but thats what she has become a political hack who will say anything to win

[ToastinKP]

Bernie had another big rally yesterday in Prospect Park......





Mean while Hillary has continued her shift to the right, first praising Nancy Reagan and her and her husband's work with the AIDS crisis and now praising George Bush.....

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6tQO4i9Hag[/youtube]

Remember George Bush was warned months ahead of time about Bin Laden wanting to attack the US and then of course lied about Iraq. NY do the right thing and vote for Bernie Sanders .