Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[Rotten Apple]

Phil told Jeff put Sasha in he could help initiate the offense since he knows it.

[moocow007]

i'm not referring to only phil jackson's nba tenure.
the triangle offense has also won 10+ championships in international play.
phil had plenty of input into his laker teams after west resigned and kupchak took over almost all GM duties in ~2001.

the fact that portions of his "toxic system" are imprinted in the offenses of a third of the teams in the league also says a lot about the toxicness of it.

Aside Anthony every single player on this team was hand picked by Jackson, not Dolan. So unless we are going with an "Anthony is the Anti Christ" argument. This team is all Jackson. Same way he should recieve praise if the team was successful, he should receive blame if it stinks. I would guess if this team was actually good that you'd be more than willing to praise Jackson really right? So why would you not want to blame him if they are no good,

what are you even talking about?
i'm not commenting on the team being good or bad. i'm commenting on the notion that offense is the problem. you could run rose/kp pnr all. game. long. and it will NOT CHANGE the fact that the knicks allowed 116pts and plenty of WIDE OPEN 3 point shots.

the offense has nothing to do with it and fools that comment "the triangle is killing this team" are idiots. i watched the same body language on different players the year the team won 37 games and missed the playoffs and that had nothing to do with phil OR the triangle.

HUH??? The Knicks inability to do anything on offense to put pressure on opposing teams absolutely impacts the defensive end. The notion that poor play on one end doesn't impact the play on the other end is just ludicrous. You talk body language. Why do you think that a team of offensive centric players have such poor body language? Because they are frustrated, confused, flustered on the end of the court that they are supposed to be better at. Absolutely it would impact them when they are on defense.

[ctorres]

Hornacek will still get the $15 million on his 3 year deal if he gets fired, right?

Hornacek probably won't quit no matter if Phil has made it impossible for him to coach properly. Hornacek can continue laughing his way to the bank while Phil and all the players undermine his authority.

Damn it Phil.

[dakomish23]

First off the offense needs to be ran by Rose. Every successful team currently has an allstar caliber pg setting the table. He's clearly our best player offensively and I mean overall and he should be pick and rolling with KP almost every possession. Second Noah has to give us something. There's no question now we lost a lot losing rolo. With him on this team we are without question a completely different team. Third anyone can tell KP was completely mind F'd from Jeff's 4th qt benching. Again it's early but to be playing this inconsistent this early is alarming. We simply have no sense of urgency and that's also leadership. Simply pathetic!


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did you watch this game?
the offense being ran by rose resulted in numerous possessions in a row where rose would call his own number for a botched layup attempt or a botched shot off a pick.
the offense runs better when carmelo initiates it.

It's the absolute truth but the losses give them a Melo soapbox and they are not passing that up no matter what

[K_ick_God]

Life of a Knicks fan: July and August "I can't believe we got him" steals become ***early*** November "GTFO my team immediately" musts.

Knicks are going to be out of contention faster than Trump.

[13ringsruling]

Aside Anthony every single player on this team was hand picked by Jackson, not Dolan. So unless we are going with an "Anthony is the Anti Christ" argument. This team is all Jackson. Same way he should recieve praise if the team was successful, he should receive blame if it stinks. I would guess if this team was actually good that you'd be more than willing to praise Jackson really right? So why would you not want to blame him if they are no good,

what are you even talking about?
i'm not commenting on the team being good or bad. i'm commenting on the notion that offense is the problem. you could run rose/kp pnr all. game. long. and it will NOT CHANGE the fact that the knicks allowed 116pts and plenty of WIDE OPEN 3 point shots.

the offense has nothing to do with it and fools that comment "the triangle is killing this team" are idiots. i watched the same body language on different players the year the team won 37 games and missed the playoffs and that had nothing to do with phil OR the triangle.

HUH??? The Knicks inability to do anything on offense to put pressure on opposing teams absolutely impacts the defensive end. The notion that poor play on one end doesn't impact the play on the other end is just ludicrous.

HUH????? so you're telling me that the triangle offense has everything to do with kristaps melo and lee leaving above average 3pt shooters WIDE OPEN and not even trying to rotate out?

cos THAT notion is ludicrous.

[ctorres]

Phil told Jeff put Sasha in he could help initiate the offense since he knows it.

Did this seriously happen, or is this just your theory?

[Rotten Apple]

At least when Dolan and CAA were running the team we were making the playoffs

[moocow007]

what are you even talking about?
i'm not commenting on the team being good or bad. i'm commenting on the notion that offense is the problem. you could run rose/kp pnr all. game. long. and it will NOT CHANGE the fact that the knicks allowed 116pts and plenty of WIDE OPEN 3 point shots.

the offense has nothing to do with it and fools that comment "the triangle is killing this team" are idiots. i watched the same body language on different players the year the team won 37 games and missed the playoffs and that had nothing to do with phil OR the triangle.

HUH??? The Knicks inability to do anything on offense to put pressure on opposing teams absolutely impacts the defensive end. The notion that poor play on one end doesn't impact the play on the other end is just ludicrous.

HUH????? so you're telling me that the triangle offense has everything to do with kristaps melo and lee leaving above average 3pt shooters WIDE OPEN and not even trying to rotate out?

cos THAT notion is ludicrous.

Their inability to grasp it? YEAH THATS EZACTLY WHAT IN SAYING!

[Rotten Apple]

Phil told Jeff put Sasha in he could help initiate the offense since he knows it.

Did this seriously happen, or is this just your theory?

Sasha randomly getting minutes after Phil visits practice and attends coaches meetings.

[dakomish23]

When your PG is calling his own number 95% of the time and sucks at it, that's always going to be the main thing wrong with your team.

It's that simple.

[13ringsruling]

First off the offense needs to be ran by Rose. Every successful team currently has an allstar caliber pg setting the table. He's clearly our best player offensively and I mean overall and he should be pick and rolling with KP almost every possession. Second Noah has to give us something. There's no question now we lost a lot losing rolo. With him on this team we are without question a completely different team. Third anyone can tell KP was completely mind F'd from Jeff's 4th qt benching. Again it's early but to be playing this inconsistent this early is alarming. We simply have no sense of urgency and that's also leadership. Simply pathetic!


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did you watch this game?
the offense being ran by rose resulted in numerous possessions in a row where rose would call his own number for a botched layup attempt or a botched shot off a pick.
the offense runs better when carmelo initiates it.

It's the absolute truth but the losses give them a Melo soapbox and they are not passing that up no matter what

are you in agreeance with me or disagreeing? lol cos i don't think rose being the primary initiator of an offense that he's never even played in is a great idea. not when i watched like 4 possessions in a row where he tried to get up a floater or a layup and botched it with guys open around him.

[Sprewell4Three]

2 of our starters are good at D. That's not enough to mask Melo's and Rose's deficiencies on D.

[13ringsruling]

HUH??? The Knicks inability to do anything on offense to put pressure on opposing teams absolutely impacts the defensive end. The notion that poor play on one end doesn't impact the play on the other end is just ludicrous.

HUH????? so you're telling me that the triangle offense has everything to do with kristaps melo and lee leaving above average 3pt shooters WIDE OPEN and not even trying to rotate out?

cos THAT notion is ludicrous.

Their inability to grasp it? YEAH THATS EZACTLY WHAT IN SAYING!

i guess we'll have to agree to disagree because leaving an above average 3pt shooter open while you meander into the lane has nothing to do with the offense that's being run.

[dakomish23]

did you watch this game?
the offense being ran by rose resulted in numerous possessions in a row where rose would call his own number for a botched layup attempt or a botched shot off a pick.
the offense runs better when carmelo initiates it.

It's the absolute truth but the losses give them a Melo soapbox and they are not passing that up no matter what

are you in agreeance with me or disagreeing? lol cos i don't think rose being the primary initiator of an offense that he's never even played in is a great idea. not when i watched like 4 possessions in a row where he tried to get up a floater or a layup and botched it with guys open around him.

I'm Agreeing with you. I've been questioning if Jennings should start since the preseason.

DRose is built for the 6th man role. Let him do what he does best. Get flashy buckets at the rim.

He's the 6-4 Amare

[ctorres]

Phil told Jeff put Sasha in he could help initiate the offense since he knows it.

Did this seriously happen, or is this just your theory?

Sasha randomly getting minutes after Phil visits practice and attends coaches meetings.

I'll rephrase my original post.

Do you KNOW that Phil told Jeff to put Sasha in?

Or do you THINK Phil told Jeff to put Sasha in?

Fact or opinion man, which one is it?

It's it's fact, could you please reference a source?

If it's an opinion, could you please say so?

[waya]

Rose is selfish as f*ck. Anyone who expected different from him in a contract year is an idiot

[dakomish23]

2 of our starters are good at D. That's not enough to mask Melo's and Rose's deficiencies on D.

These two would never be on the court together if it was up to me. they just take turns.

[K_ick_God]

The best part of this game is I accidentally found myself in the press section on the Chase bridge and was trying to find Isola to continue my years long insult rivalry with him. Instead I ended up at the desk of Tommy Beer (he wasn't there but his name card was) and then some guy told us we can't drink
In the area and to leave.

A very beautiful story.

[13ringsruling]

It's the absolute truth but the losses give them a Melo soapbox and they are not passing that up no matter what

are you in agreeance with me or disagreeing? lol cos i don't think rose being the primary initiator of an offense that he's never even played in is a great idea. not when i watched like 4 possessions in a row where he tried to get up a floater or a layup and botched it with guys open around him.

I'm Agreeing with you. I've been questioning if Jennings should start since the preseason.

DRose is built for the 6th man role. Let him do what he does best. Get flashy buckets at the rim.

He's the 6-4 Amare

the stark contrast between this triangle and thibs tenure in chicago apparently is that the offense in chicago WAS to get the ball to derrick and get out of the way. it just so happened that they used a lot of triangle sets to do it. all i can say is i hope the kid gets it. dont get me wrong, if some of those softass layups and floaters he put up went in, he'd look better. but he definitely hasn't gotten the "pass first" gear rolling yet.