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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#201 » by shtolky » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:54 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:Out of 10, I’d probably give it a 6...MAYBE 7 absolute MAX, but that’s unlikely. I’m a huge SW fan (read an absurd amount of the now “legends” books and many of the new ones), I just felt disappointed. Best way I can put it is that I felt a void after the movie.


Have you only seen it once? I saw it twice, and while I really liked it the first time, I loved it the second time.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#202 » by IllmaticHandler » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:54 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:Out of 10, I’d probably give it a 6...MAYBE 7 absolute MAX, but that’s unlikely. I’m a huge SW fan (read an absurd amount of the now “legends” books and many of the new ones), I just felt disappointed. Best way I can put it is that I felt a void after the movie.



Like I said Bro. I trust the "Fan Boys". People act like being a Fan Boy is a bad thing. We are both not casual fans of this Saga. Our Knowledge goes waaaaaay beyond the movies. So if being very Knowledgable on this story, makes my eye more critical...then so be it.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#203 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:02 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:Out of 10, I’d probably give it a 6...MAYBE 7 absolute MAX, but that’s unlikely. I’m a huge SW fan (read an absurd amount of the now “legends” books and many of the new ones), I just felt disappointed. Best way I can put it is that I felt a void after the movie.


Have you only seen it once? I saw it twice, and while I really liked it the first time, I loved it the second time.


Only once. Unless my GF and I somehow watch Rogue One, 4, 5, 6, and 7 before it leaves theaters (which is a longshot :lol: ), I think I'm only seeing it once on the big screen. I read the same thing just a few minutes ago on twitter about enjoying it more the second time than the first time, though. If I end up getting MoviePass maybe I'll check it out again? We'll see.

I did see JL 3 times (yes, 3 times) and my opinion stayed the same...RELEASE THE SNYDER CUT!

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Knickstape1214 wrote:Out of 10, I’d probably give it a 6...MAYBE 7 absolute MAX, but that’s unlikely. I’m a huge SW fan (read an absurd amount of the now “legends” books and many of the new ones), I just felt disappointed. Best way I can put it is that I felt a void after the movie.



Like I said Bro. I trust the "Fan Boys". People act like being a Fan Boy is a bad thing. We are both not casual fans of this Saga. Our Knowledge goes waaaaaay beyond the movies. So if being very Knowledgable on this story, makes my eye more critical...then so be it.


I haven't read any reviews from any fanboys. One of my best friends is like us and he feels the same way I do. My dad, also same boat as us, said he thought it was good but feels the same void I do. It just didn't feel like a real SW movie and different tonally from the trailers, which I thought were awesome. I just wanted...more

Disney reset the entire universe by scrapping the books and that still bothers me. Maybe the void is created by them destroying the old canon + me LOVING those books and seeing how great these movies could have been. With TFA, I liked it...but didn't think it was great, either. I definitely do need to read some of what the other major fans thought. I'm curious. "Fan boy" knowledge of the universe might be part of what is playing into the reviews and how they feel about the movie - with the whole "what could have been."
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#204 » by IllmaticHandler » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:13 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:Out of 10, I’d probably give it a 6...MAYBE 7 absolute MAX, but that’s unlikely. I’m a huge SW fan (read an absurd amount of the now “legends” books and many of the new ones), I just felt disappointed. Best way I can put it is that I felt a void after the movie.


Have you only seen it once? I saw it twice, and while I really liked it the first time, I loved it the second time.


Only once. Unless my GF and I somehow watch Rogue One, 4, 5, 6, and 7 before it leaves theaters (which is a longshot :lol: ), I think I'm only seeing it once on the big screen. I read the same thing just a few minutes ago on twitter about enjoying it more the second time than the first time, though. If I end up getting MoviePass maybe I'll check it out again? We'll see.

I did see JL 3 times (yes, 3 times) and my opinion stayed the same...RELEASE THE SNYDER CUT!

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Knickstape1214 wrote:Out of 10, I’d probably give it a 6...MAYBE 7 absolute MAX, but that’s unlikely. I’m a huge SW fan (read an absurd amount of the now “legends” books and many of the new ones), I just felt disappointed. Best way I can put it is that I felt a void after the movie.



Like I said Bro. I trust the "Fan Boys". People act like being a Fan Boy is a bad thing. We are both not casual fans of this Saga. Our Knowledge goes waaaaaay beyond the movies. So if being very Knowledgable on this story, makes my eye more critical...then so be it.


I haven't read any reviews from any fanboys. One of my best friends is like us and he feels the same way I do. My dad, also same boat as us, said he thought it was good but feels the same void I do. It just didn't feel like a real SW movie and different tonally from the trailers, which I thought were awesome. I just wanted...more

Disney reset the entire universe by scrapping the books and that still bothers me. Maybe the void is created by them destroying the old canon + me LOVING those books and seeing how great these movies could have been. With TFA, I liked it...but didn't think it was great, either. I definitely do need to read some of what the other major fans thought. I'm curious. "Fan boy" knowledge of the universe might be part of what is playing into the reviews and how they feel about the movie - with the whole "what could have been."



The NJO order is a much better direction than what they did it looks like. I mean think about it. We are Talking about the SECOND MOST POPULAR character after Vader in Luke, and the movie is getting slammed across the internet :-? . Disney has long pockets so they can churn out movies, but George should have had some kinda clause that he still gets input. I am curious to what his vision would have been for the story. The prequels may have been not been executed to the best, but the story did not go against the grain and enhanced the saga overall and brought in memorable characters. I mean looks how much canon was produced in the SW universe because of the prequels... A WHOLE LOT. I doubt this trilogy has the same effect on the saga.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#205 » by Fury » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:22 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:Out of 10, I’d probably give it a 6...MAYBE 7 absolute MAX, but that’s unlikely. I’m a huge SW fan (read an absurd amount of the now “legends” books and many of the new ones), I just felt disappointed. Best way I can put it is that I felt a void after the movie.



Like I said Bro. I trust the "Fan Boys". People act like being a Fan Boy is a bad thing. We are both not casual fans of this Saga. Our Knowledge goes waaaaaay beyond the movies. So if being very Knowledgable on this story, makes my eye more critical...then so be it.


I'm no fanboy, my bro is. He enjoyed it, so did I. But yeah overall most fanboys did not like it much and I think it's just expectations of what they think should happen. Personally, I think it was an entertaining movie. I think it was teasing certain directions then pulled the rug from underneath and I think that upset some people. But in terms of direction, the visuals used, and the build up to great moments, I thought it did a good job. I never thought a Star Wars movie before this was remotely funny except for a few rare instances, and this one had moments that did not take away from the tension (some feel it did, but I think Star War fans are just used to things being so serious). Mark Hamil and Oscar Isaac are too talented and can work the fine line. It doesn't always work. I feel like recent DC movies have forced the humor. In this case, it worked well. But it all comes down to this for me when it comes to people who are critiquing the movie, well, going overboard with their critique:

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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#206 » by poeman » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:37 pm

This movie sucked...So much hope I had...I am tired of Rotten Tomatoes nut hugging every Disney film. So many garbage super hero films, Iron Man 2, 3, Age of Ultron and now this Star Wars film.

I cannot understand the stupidity and total Spaceballs vibe of this film. They did my dude Luke wrong, Snoke sucked, and I do not care about Kylo and Rey's odd tension for each other.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#207 » by IllmaticHandler » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:39 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:Out of 10, I’d probably give it a 6...MAYBE 7 absolute MAX, but that’s unlikely. I’m a huge SW fan (read an absurd amount of the now “legends” books and many of the new ones), I just felt disappointed. Best way I can put it is that I felt a void after the movie.



Like I said Bro. I trust the "Fan Boys". People act like being a Fan Boy is a bad thing. We are both not casual fans of this Saga. Our Knowledge goes waaaaaay beyond the movies. So if being very Knowledgable on this story, makes my eye more critical...then so be it.


I'm no fanboy, my bro is. He enjoyed it, so did I. But yeah overall most fanboys did not like it much and I think it's just expectations of what they think should happen. Personally, I think it was an entertaining movie. I think it was teasing certain directions then pulled the rug from underneath and I think that upset some people. But in terms of direction, the visuals used, and the build up to great moments, I thought it did a good job. I never thought a Star Wars movie before this was remotely funny except for a few rare instances, and this one had moments that did not take away from the tension (some feel it did, but I think Star War fans are just used to things being so serious). Mark Hamil and Oscar Isaac are too talented and can work the fine line. It doesn't always work. I feel like recent DC movies have forced the humor. In this case, it worked well. But it all comes down to this for me when it comes to people who are critiquing the movie, well, going overboard with their critique:

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I actually dont care for Humor. I want to see more Darkness especially since they are supposed to be in dark times. I hate a bunch of Humor in a supposedly tense time. It seems there is a **** load of humor in this. Disney is on some BS. Its the reason why Rogue one had to be reshot, and it hurt the movie cause they changed to much. It was to Dark for Disney.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#208 » by Fury » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:42 pm

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IllmaticHandler wrote:

Like I said Bro. I trust the "Fan Boys". People act like being a Fan Boy is a bad thing. We are both not casual fans of this Saga. Our Knowledge goes waaaaaay beyond the movies. So if being very Knowledgable on this story, makes my eye more critical...then so be it.


I'm no fanboy, my bro is. He enjoyed it, so did I. But yeah overall most fanboys did not like it much and I think it's just expectations of what they think should happen. Personally, I think it was an entertaining movie. I think it was teasing certain directions then pulled the rug from underneath and I think that upset some people. But in terms of direction, the visuals used, and the build up to great moments, I thought it did a good job. I never thought a Star Wars movie before this was remotely funny except for a few rare instances, and this one had moments that did not take away from the tension (some feel it did, but I think Star War fans are just used to things being so serious). Mark Hamil and Oscar Isaac are too talented and can work the fine line. It doesn't always work. I feel like recent DC movies have forced the humor. In this case, it worked well. But it all comes down to this for me when it comes to people who are critiquing the movie, well, going overboard with their critique:

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I actually dont care for Humor. I want to see more Darkness especially since they are supposed to be in dark times. I hate a bunch of Humor in a supposedly tense time. It seems there is a **** load of humor in this. Disney is on some BS. Its the reason why Rogue one had to be reshot, and it hurt the movie cause they changed to much. It was to Dark for Disney.


I don't need humor either but I don't think it was forced
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#209 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:50 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Fury wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:

Like I said Bro. I trust the "Fan Boys". People act like being a Fan Boy is a bad thing. We are both not casual fans of this Saga. Our Knowledge goes waaaaaay beyond the movies. So if being very Knowledgable on this story, makes my eye more critical...then so be it.


I'm no fanboy, my bro is. He enjoyed it, so did I. But yeah overall most fanboys did not like it much and I think it's just expectations of what they think should happen. Personally, I think it was an entertaining movie. I think it was teasing certain directions then pulled the rug from underneath and I think that upset some people. But in terms of direction, the visuals used, and the build up to great moments, I thought it did a good job. I never thought a Star Wars movie before this was remotely funny except for a few rare instances, and this one had moments that did not take away from the tension (some feel it did, but I think Star War fans are just used to things being so serious). Mark Hamil and Oscar Isaac are too talented and can work the fine line. It doesn't always work. I feel like recent DC movies have forced the humor. In this case, it worked well. But it all comes down to this for me when it comes to people who are critiquing the movie, well, going overboard with their critique:

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I actually dont care for Humor. I want to see more Darkness especially since they are supposed to be in dark times. I hate a bunch of Humor in a supposedly tense time. It seems there is a **** load of humor in this. Disney is on some BS. Its the reason why Rogue one had to be reshot, and it hurt the movie cause they changed to much. It was to Dark for Disney.


YES! THIS THIS THIS. Some of the humor fit in the movie, but other times...just...no. If GL had input, like you said in your other post he should have (which I also agree with), he'd have scrapped it. There's a difference between SW humor and forced humor (/Disney humor).

Going with the NJO (or the legends in general) would have been amazing. Imagine Jacen, Ben, Anakin, Lumiya!, Jaina, Yuuzhan Vong, Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn...
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#210 » by IllmaticHandler » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:50 pm

Yo KT if they could ever make a Movie with the seriousness of this.... :o :o :o. To this day, one the most intense books I ever read.


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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#211 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:57 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:Yo KT if they could ever make a Movie with the seriousness of this.... :o :o :o. To this day, one the most intense books I ever read.


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Doesn't Samuel L Jackson believe that Mace is still alive? I'd love to get him back playing the character in a Logan-type movie, but no way would Disney do that (and I also don't think it'd fit with the new canon).

Legacy of the Force series for me.

I think I'm gonna go back and read some of the Legends novels I never finished after I'm done with the Red Rising books (which you should read if/when you get a chance - favorite series of all time).
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#212 » by shtolky » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:21 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Fury wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:

Like I said Bro. I trust the "Fan Boys". People act like being a Fan Boy is a bad thing. We are both not casual fans of this Saga. Our Knowledge goes waaaaaay beyond the movies. So if being very Knowledgable on this story, makes my eye more critical...then so be it.


I'm no fanboy, my bro is. He enjoyed it, so did I. But yeah overall most fanboys did not like it much and I think it's just expectations of what they think should happen. Personally, I think it was an entertaining movie. I think it was teasing certain directions then pulled the rug from underneath and I think that upset some people. But in terms of direction, the visuals used, and the build up to great moments, I thought it did a good job. I never thought a Star Wars movie before this was remotely funny except for a few rare instances, and this one had moments that did not take away from the tension (some feel it did, but I think Star War fans are just used to things being so serious). Mark Hamil and Oscar Isaac are too talented and can work the fine line. It doesn't always work. I feel like recent DC movies have forced the humor. In this case, it worked well. But it all comes down to this for me when it comes to people who are critiquing the movie, well, going overboard with their critique:

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I actually dont care for Humor. I want to see more Darkness especially since they are supposed to be in dark times. I hate a bunch of Humor in a supposedly tense time. It seems there is a **** load of humor in this. Disney is on some BS. Its the reason why Rogue one had to be reshot, and it hurt the movie cause they changed to much. It was to Dark for Disney.



There is humor in it (there has been humor in all the SW movies) but I really wouldn't worry about it ruining the dark vibe. There is hope in the movie but there is a lot of dark sh*t as well. The humorous bits are just that, bits, it's not like entire scenes that are slapstick or anything. Go into it with an open mind (it takes the series in a ton of new directions) and I think you'll enjoy it.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#213 » by poeman » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:14 pm

Spoiler:
Leia becoming Superman was the most cringe-worthy moment in my cinematic theater going lifetime. I had to hide myself in my seat at the shame of it all.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#214 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:24 pm

poeman wrote:
Spoiler:
Leia becoming Superman was the most cringe-worthy moment in my cinematic theater going lifetime. I had to hide myself in my seat at the shame of it all.


Spoiler:
Seriously, wtf was that?
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Post#215 » by shtolky » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:26 pm

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IllmaticHandler wrote:
Fury wrote:
I'm no fanboy, my bro is. He enjoyed it, so did I. But yeah overall most fanboys did not like it much and I think it's just expectations of what they think should happen. Personally, I think it was an entertaining movie. I think it was teasing certain directions then pulled the rug from underneath and I think that upset some people. But in terms of direction, the visuals used, and the build up to great moments, I thought it did a good job. I never thought a Star Wars movie before this was remotely funny except for a few rare instances, and this one had moments that did not take away from the tension (some feel it did, but I think Star War fans are just used to things being so serious). Mark Hamil and Oscar Isaac are too talented and can work the fine line. It doesn't always work. I feel like recent DC movies have forced the humor. In this case, it worked well. But it all comes down to this for me when it comes to people who are critiquing the movie, well, going overboard with their critique:

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I actually dont care for Humor. I want to see more Darkness especially since they are supposed to be in dark times. I hate a bunch of Humor in a supposedly tense time. It seems there is a **** load of humor in this. Disney is on some BS. Its the reason why Rogue one had to be reshot, and it hurt the movie cause they changed to much. It was to Dark for Disney.


YES! THIS THIS THIS. Some of the humor fit in the movie, but other times...just...no. If GL had input, like you said in your other post he should have (which I also agree with), he'd have scrapped it. There's a difference between SW humor and forced humor (/Disney humor).

Going with the NJO (or the legends in general) would have been amazing. Imagine Jacen, Ben, Anakin, Lumiya!, Jaina, Yuuzhan Vong, Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn...



The Phantom Menace literally had Jar Jar Binks saying "icky icky goo" after stepping in a pile of sh*t, followed by a creature ripping a giant ass fart in his face which elicited the oh so eloquently written line of "pee yousa." And Jar Jar himself. I can't believe TLJ humor bothered you but the GL brand of humor didn't.
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Post#216 » by shtolky » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:27 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
poeman wrote:
Spoiler:
Leia becoming Superman was the most cringe-worthy moment in my cinematic theater going lifetime. I had to hide myself in my seat at the shame of it all.


Spoiler:
Seriously, wtf was that?



Spoiler:
She's a Skywalker who has already been shown to use the force. If force users can pull objects to themselves, why can't they pull themselves to an object. Why is this so reviled by some?
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#217 » by poeman » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:30 pm

shtolky wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
poeman wrote:
Spoiler:
Leia becoming Superman was the most cringe-worthy moment in my cinematic theater going lifetime. I had to hide myself in my seat at the shame of it all.


Spoiler:
Seriously, wtf was that?



Spoiler:
She's a Skywalker who has already been shown to use the force. If force users can pull objects to themselves, why can't they pull themselves to an object. Why is this so reviled by some?


Spoiler:
The tie-fighters made a direct hit...Her body should be various pieces by the explosion. I didn't know force users could hang out in space without any assistance. It REALLY was unnecessary as a scene...
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#218 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:35 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
I actually dont care for Humor. I want to see more Darkness especially since they are supposed to be in dark times. I hate a bunch of Humor in a supposedly tense time. It seems there is a **** load of humor in this. Disney is on some BS. Its the reason why Rogue one had to be reshot, and it hurt the movie cause they changed to much. It was to Dark for Disney.


YES! THIS THIS THIS. Some of the humor fit in the movie, but other times...just...no. If GL had input, like you said in your other post he should have (which I also agree with), he'd have scrapped it. There's a difference between SW humor and forced humor (/Disney humor).

Going with the NJO (or the legends in general) would have been amazing. Imagine Jacen, Ben, Anakin, Lumiya!, Jaina, Yuuzhan Vong, Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn...



The Phantom Menace literally had Jar Jar Binks saying "icky icky goo" after stepping in a pile of sh*t, followed by a creature ripping a giant ass fart in his face which elicited the oh so eloquently written line of "pee yousa." And Jar Jar himself. I can't believe TLJ humor bothered you but the GL brand of humor didn't.


That bothered me as well. Jar Jar's whole character was a joke, though. Some of the jokes in this one just seemed forced and not right.

Spoiler:
Luke brushing dirt off? Not a fan. Leia / Luke with the "yes, my hair changed" that was cool with me because that's Leia's humor.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#219 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:37 pm

poeman wrote:
shtolky wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Spoiler:
Seriously, wtf was that?



Spoiler:
She's a Skywalker who has already been shown to use the force. If force users can pull objects to themselves, why can't they pull themselves to an object. Why is this so reviled by some?


Spoiler:
The tie-fighters made a direct hit...Her body should be various pieces by the explosion. I didn't know force users could hang out in space without any assistance. It REALLY was unnecessary as a scene...

Spoiler:
AND just because she's force sensitive, which is all she was - she never used the force in the current canon, does not mean she automatically has control of her abilities. She's just like every other unrefined force-sensitive being.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#220 » by shtolky » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:41 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
poeman wrote:
shtolky wrote:

Spoiler:
She's a Skywalker who has already been shown to use the force. If force users can pull objects to themselves, why can't they pull themselves to an object. Why is this so reviled by some?


Spoiler:
The tie-fighters made a direct hit...Her body should be various pieces by the explosion. I didn't know force users could hang out in space without any assistance. It REALLY was unnecessary as a scene...

Spoiler:
AND just because she's force sensitive, which is all she was - she never used the force in the current canon, does not mean she automatically has control of her abilities. She's just like every other unrefined force-sensitive being.



Spoiler:
This is fun seeing all the spoiler tags. My response to that is, we've seen untrained people use the force before. Luke in A New Hope on the Falcon when he deflects the blaster bolt, and when he blows up the Death Star. I would say Leia had more force training simply by being around Luke for decades post Return of the Jedi than Luke had from Obi Wan in A New Hope. And we had Rey use a mind trick on the Daniel Craig stormtrooper and at the end against Kylo Ren in the forest. And Leia has used the force before, just mentally, but I don't see a difference between the mental and the physical. She communicates with Luke at the end of Empire, and "feels" that he's still alive at the end of Jedi. I just don't see the uproar with that scene. I thought it was actually long overdue and awesome. I just think a lot of the things people have an issue with were so out of left field that it left people not liking things that weren't bad at all. Just my opinion. Try and see it a 2nd time.

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