Knicks-Jazz PG Thread

[Oscirus]

How does he engage down there just fine when he allows weaker players to push him out of position on a regular basis?

So despite the fact that his post up game wasn't even the thing the video that you posted were referencing we're going with that now? I love that he now just lets himself get pushed around. It's almost as if you haven't heard of a thing called leverage or as if KP isn't a fairly new player learning how to counteract it. Nope he's a weak ass bitch because his post up game doesn't meet your standards right now!

Wow

Yes it was. They showed him doing his turnaround fadeaway. He air balled it...


And stop putting words in my mouth. I never called him a weak ass bitch and I don't hold him to any type of standard when it comes to the post since that's not his game. That's all you. You're the one projecting what you hope he develops into. I'm calling a spade a spade. He's a finesse big. I'm cool with that. You're the one having a hard time with it.

Just come out and say it and stop being passive about it. You think he's a weak assed bitch.

I've embraced the fact that we need bruisers on this team to help KP, I don't need him to be perfect in every aspect of his offensive game, that's your thing.

[blueNorange]

his numbers are actually similar to KP in his first two years. he only beats KP with rebounding. but you get the point, we need to give our players time. you can even look at tim hardaway jr.. kid turned out to be a decent player too.

kristaps first 2 seasons

rookie - .518 ts%
sophomore - .544 ts%

cousins first 2 seasons

rookie - .484 ts%
sophomore - .499 ts%

cousins first 2 seasons in the nba were so bad that he's lucky he played in sacramento because anywhere else and this plug gets pulled.

i dont really care much about ts tbh. john wall has a low ts but he's a top 5 point guard in the league

you don't care whether or not a player is efficient or not?

efficiency is one the most important things into being a successful nba team.

[Greenie]

KP main issue is that he fouls too much. Most of the time it's avoidable. It has taken him out of many games this season. He needs to correct this.

He also has a bad habit of turning his entire body on the ball and not seeing where it goes.

That's correctable but Jeff and Rambis...

[robillionaire]

KP main issue is that he fouls too much. Most of the time it's avoidable. It has taken him out of many games this season. He needs to correct this.

He also has a bad habit of turning his entire body on the ball and not seeing where it goes.

That's correctable but Jeff and Rambis...

Just know when to contest a shot and when it's better and smarter to let it go. Pick your battles. He out there contesting everything and it's taking him out of the game when we needed him on both sides the court

[Greenie]

So despite the fact that his post up game wasn't even the thing the video that you posted were referencing we're going with that now? I love that he now just lets himself get pushed around. It's almost as if you haven't heard of a thing called leverage or as if KP isn't a fairly new player learning how to counteract it. Nope he's a weak ass bitch because his post up game doesn't meet your standards right now!

Wow

Yes it was. They showed him doing his turnaround fadeaway. He air balled it...


And stop putting words in my mouth. I never called him a weak ass bitch and I don't hold him to any type of standard when it comes to the post since that's not his game. That's all you. You're the one projecting what you hope he develops into. I'm calling a spade a spade. He's a finesse big. I'm cool with that. You're the one having a hard time with it.

Just come out and say it and stop being passive about it. You think he's a weak assed bitch.

I've embraced the fact that we need bruisers on this team to help KP, I don't need him to be perfect in every aspect of his offensive game, that's your thing.

I'm going to say this one more time. I'm ok with him being a finesse big. The league is littered with them. You're the one hell bent on him developing a post presence. His post presence is his shot blocking.

Why are you trying to force a thought on me? When have I ever been scared to say what I mean and mean what I say? When?

..and yes we need a rugged, defensive, rebounding PF next to him.

[Oscirus]

KP main issue is that he fouls too much. Most of the time it's avoidable. It has taken him out of many games this season. He needs to correct this.

He also has a bad habit of turning his entire body on the ball and not seeing where it goes.

That's correctable but Jeff and Rambis...

Just know when to contest a shot and when it's better and smarter to let it go. Pick your battles. He out there contesting everything and it's taking him out of the game when we needed him on both sides the court

He's evolving. I remember earlier in the season when he used to defend any ball handler that came into his vicinity. He still does it bit much for my liking, but the tendency to do so has decreased.

[Greenie]

KP main issue is that he fouls too much. Most of the time it's avoidable. It has taken him out of many games this season. He needs to correct this.

He also has a bad habit of turning his entire body on the ball and not seeing where it goes.

That's correctable but Jeff and Rambis...

Just know when to contest a shot and when it's better and smarter to let it go. Pick your battles. He out there contesting everything and it's taking him out of the game when we needed him on both sides the court

I don't think Jeff will help him learn how to play defense.

[3toheadmelo]

kristaps first 2 seasons

rookie - .518 ts%
sophomore - .544 ts%

cousins first 2 seasons

rookie - .484 ts%
sophomore - .499 ts%

cousins first 2 seasons in the nba were so bad that he's lucky he played in sacramento because anywhere else and this plug gets pulled.

i dont really care much about ts tbh. john wall has a low ts but he's a top 5 point guard in the league

you don't care whether or not a player is efficient or not?

efficiency is one the most important things into being a successful nba team.

if you're getting your teams wins and providing a huge impact then it really doesn't. iverson was ineffecient and he took his team to the finals. and he's a HOFer. john wall has been tremendous for the wizards. they're a top 3 team in the east. you can't just look at one stat and ignore everything else

[Billy Goat]

i dont really care much about ts tbh. john wall has a low ts but he's a top 5 point guard in the league

you don't care whether or not a player is efficient or not?

efficiency is one the most important things into being a successful nba team.

if you're getting your teams wins and providing a huge impact then it really doesn't. iverson was ineffecient and he took his team to the finals. and he's a HOFer. john wall has been tremendous for the wizards. they're a top 3 team in the east. you can't just look at one stat and ignore everything else

Inefficient teams dont win over the course of the season. The Wiz are 9th overall in team TS%. It's not the end all be all, but if your offense is inefficient you're not going to be a winning team. Iverson's season from almost 20 years ago is hardly indicative of anything.

[DOT]

kristaps first 2 seasons

rookie - .518 ts%
sophomore - .544 ts%

cousins first 2 seasons

rookie - .484 ts%
sophomore - .499 ts%

cousins first 2 seasons in the nba were so bad that he's lucky he played in sacramento because anywhere else and this plug gets pulled.

i dont really care much about ts tbh. john wall has a low ts but he's a top 5 point guard in the league

you don't care whether or not a player is efficient or not?

efficiency is one the most important things into being a successful nba team.

Also this little thing called defense, which ts% doesn't account for
Wall isn't an extremely efficient offensive player, but it's balanced out by Porter and Beal being very efficient, plus Wall's playmaking is top tier, and he may be the best defender at the PG spot

[K_ick_God]

All these arguments depend on analyzing KP like a vet. He shows shotblocking, it's frozen right there forever or it's just that and doesn't indicate defensive awareness.

He drives with increasing authority and success, and he's still just a shooter.

Obviously if he gets no better, the result would be bad. But given that strength is a major concern, and will get better, he's got a lot of components of his game that project into high upside.

Supporters don't pretend he's close to his peak. Detractors do though.