Melo traded to OKC Thread (Cont.) - Put Melo stuff in here thanks xoxo Cap

[Reign23]

And here we are now as the next chapter of incompetence.

we are supposed to run and gun right? sure with 2 centers on the floor all the time and no one who can make plays.

we should play KP at center more often now, but I'm sure that he won't get any minutes at all at the 5.

in da smallball era we have Kanter, Noah, Kyle, Willy and KP. incredible...

hope we trade some of Kanter/Lee/Kyle soon

Knicks have two too many C's but that small ball era stuff is really overstated by a lot of posters and pundits. There are plenty of big C's and even 4's in the NBA. I get that it would be great to play KP like the largest SF ever at the Center spot, but he needs a player actually capable of playing in the post, because KP is always going to be an outside/in player, not inside out.

Competent post players on the Knicks: WHG, Kanter, Beasley - I mean, have some skills and reasonable threat to score. Hence KOQ or Noah don't make the list.

yeah but the competent post players you mentioned don't play D.

[gavran]

And here we are now as the next chapter of incompetence.

we are supposed to run and gun right? sure with 2 centers on the floor all the time and no one who can make plays.

we should play KP at center more often now, but I'm sure that he won't get any minutes at all at the 5.

in da smallball era we have Kanter, Noah, Kyle, Willy and KP. incredible...

hope we trade some of Kanter/Lee/Kyle soon

Knicks have two too many C's but that small ball era stuff is really overstated by a lot of posters and pundits. There are plenty of big C's and even 4's in the NBA. I get that it would be great to play KP like the largest SF ever at the Center spot, but he needs a player actually capable of playing in the post, because KP is always going to be an outside/in player, not inside out.

Competent post players on the Knicks: WHG, Kanter, Beasley - I mean, have some skills and reasonable threat to score. Hence KOQ or Noah don't make the list.

yeah but the competent post players you mentioned don't play D.

As if that is a bad thing on the current state of the Knicks.

[Reign23]

Knicks have two too many C's but that small ball era stuff is really overstated by a lot of posters and pundits. There are plenty of big C's and even 4's in the NBA. I get that it would be great to play KP like the largest SF ever at the Center spot, but he needs a player actually capable of playing in the post, because KP is always going to be an outside/in player, not inside out.

Competent post players on the Knicks: WHG, Kanter, Beasley - I mean, have some skills and reasonable threat to score. Hence KOQ or Noah don't make the list.

yeah but the competent post players you mentioned don't play D.

As if that is a bad thing on the current state of the Knicks.

you're starting to build a team now, don't you? I'm all for tanking now, but tanking would be a lot cooler if we had players who a)play d and b) play different positions.

ps. the funniest thing is maybe that mills/perry insist on players who play d ... and then acquire Hardaway, Kanter and McD.

[thebuzzardman]

And here we are now as the next chapter of incompetence.

we are supposed to run and gun right? sure with 2 centers on the floor all the time and no one who can make plays.

we should play KP at center more often now, but I'm sure that he won't get any minutes at all at the 5.

in da smallball era we have Kanter, Noah, Kyle, Willy and KP. incredible...

hope we trade some of Kanter/Lee/Kyle soon

Knicks have two too many C's but that small ball era stuff is really overstated by a lot of posters and pundits. There are plenty of big C's and even 4's in the NBA. I get that it would be great to play KP like the largest SF ever at the Center spot, but he needs a player actually capable of playing in the post, because KP is always going to be an outside/in player, not inside out.

Competent post players on the Knicks: WHG, Kanter, Beasley - I mean, have some skills and reasonable threat to score. Hence KOQ or Noah don't make the list.

yeah but the competent post players you mentioned don't play D.

The Knicks have quite a few players now of whom D isn't their hallmark. They'll fit right in.

Beasley? Nah. McDermott? Nope. WHG - not yet (ever?) Kanter? Not so far. Kuz? Mind is willing, body isn't. Sessions? Not at this age. THJr? Wouldn't call it a strength. Could all be a Budenholzer illusion.

Guys on the team who can defend.
CLee. Frank N. KP.

Guys who at least try to defend, but aren't really good at it:
LFT. Baker. KOQ. Jack (because he's old now), Noah (see prior comment)

Not that Melo was an all star defender, but opposing SF's should continue to score a zillion points against the Knicks.

Oh, unless Hornacek and Rambis can get them to buy into their defensive schemes.

[gavran]

yeah but the competent post players you mentioned don't play D.

As if that is a bad thing on the current state of the Knicks.

you're starting to build a team now, don't you? I'm all for tanking now, but tanking would be a lot cooler if we had players who a)play d and b) play different positions.

ps. the funniest thing is maybe that mills/perry insist on players who play d ... and then acquire Hardaway, Kanter and McD.

Tanking shouldn't be cool, it should be effective. Playing defense is an ineffective way to lose games.

[MaseInYourFace]

The idea is to have most of your core guys play good D but you can't expect every dude on the team to be plus defenders. No team is built like that. In any case the Knicks are still developing that core.

[thebuzzardman]

Quick, possible not accurate thought on the trade and recent moves.

Phil made some moves the current administration approve of, apparently - KP. WHG. Baker. There is a question about Frank N, but assume they are happy enough. CLee.

Deals it looks like they were less thrilled with: Noah, LFT, Kuz. KOQ?

Ok, I mean, part of it just common sense, but getting Kanter as part of your centerpiece for Melo, other than needing to get something, while touting WHG all year really nails Noah to the bench. I mean, I get it adds youth/depth. KOQ's role is shrinking too. Then again, he's out after this year, so they needed some sort of C depth.

On to SF. Obvious the Knicks needed to get some kind of talent/depth to replace Melo, so mostly Beasley, McDermott is in that light. But these two moves will bury (should) LFT and Kuz on the bench.

I guess THJr is a pivot away from CLee too. But that seems more in line with going with youth. I guess they all are, but sort of interesting to me some of the moves really bury Noah/LFT/Kuz.

[Reign23]

As if that is a bad thing on the current state of the Knicks.

you're starting to build a team now, don't you? I'm all for tanking now, but tanking would be a lot cooler if we had players who a)play d and b) play different positions.

ps. the funniest thing is maybe that mills/perry insist on players who play d ... and then acquire Hardaway, Kanter and McD.

Tanking shouldn't be cool, it should be effective. Playing defense is an ineffective way to lose games.

in an ideal world you have young players with the ability to defend, but need a season or two to get it going. that's how you tank and have the right guys going forward.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Noah will hopefully mentor the centers on defense even though his body won't allow him to actually do it himself in games anymore.

[gavran]

you're starting to build a team now, don't you? I'm all for tanking now, but tanking would be a lot cooler if we had players who a)play d and b) play different positions.

ps. the funniest thing is maybe that mills/perry insist on players who play d ... and then acquire Hardaway, Kanter and McD.

Tanking shouldn't be cool, it should be effective. Playing defense is an ineffective way to lose games.

in an ideal world you have young players with the ability to defend, but need a season or two to get it going. that's how you tank and have the right guys going forward.

First you tank, then you get the young players, otherwise, you shouldn't tank.

[FKF]

This trade doesn’t have me celebrate. The end of the Melo era is just as painful as the era was itself.

I’m happy Melo is gone but I’m still hurt by the six years this franchise wasted showcasing this dick head’s jump shot. This trade feels like the end of a war. You’re happy the war is over, but overall still hurt by the war.

Now I can only wish this team will play together and overachieve like our team was doing prior to the Melo trade.

The Knicks did right not to rush into a deal with Houston. They played the wait game, and got Melo to drop the gun and release a longer list than the Rockets.

If only Melo accepted a trade in such places since June, we would have had more leverage to get more in return.
He wouldn’t allow Phil to trade him, and wouldn’t allow Mills to trade him elsewhere than Houston for 3 months.

Good riddance. I am sure Melo will save his energy for a 60 pt effort at MSG on Dec 16, but I am sure as well he will accept to share duties with Westbrook and George, like he did in Team USA. Something he never did in NY, except for one year where a HOF PG commanded the ball.

Melo was due to be a #2 option all his career, he is a #3 option now, so I have no doubt he will look good in OKC. Maybe even reach the WCF. He must be hurt himself to leave NY.

The Knicks treated him as a #1 option, that was their mistake, and I will give Melo one thing, that was the Knicks mistake, not his, and they will still pay that mistake next season.

Time to move on now, I am curious to watch what this young team can do. Porzingis was impressive at EuroBasket as the #1 option, people say we are due to tank.
But this could be a surprise of a season for us. To remove Melo is addition by substraction. We have a good rotation of bigs, if not great, and I expect Ntilikina to improve our backcourt defense.
The media will be tough as usual, but there will be no expectations this year, the departure of Melo should give this locker-room some fresh air to start over.

A post full of nothing dude is gone and you still can't get the hate out your heart lol sht is sad man

What is sad is that folks like you fail to understand you could want Melo elsewhere, and be happy he’s gone, without actually hating him.

I actually stated he’d drop 60 on us and he’d do well in OKC, on a team he’s not expected to be the number one option. Dare I add I wish him best there.

The Knicks are responsible for these six painful years. Melo is responsible for stopping the ball to much.
Big difference.

And if those six years weren’t painful enough to you so that you already moved on from Melo on day 1 after he’s gone, dare I say you probably aren’t a Knicks fan as I much as I am.

Make no mistake about it. I don’t hate Carmelo as I much as I hate Jim Dolan.

[Traveyknicks23]

This trade doesn’t have me celebrate. The end of the Melo era is just as painful as the era was itself.

I’m happy Melo is gone but I’m still hurt by the six years this franchise wasted showcasing this dick head’s jump shot. This trade feels like the end of a war. You’re happy the war is over, but overall still hurt by the war.

Now I can only wish this team will play together and overachieve like our team was doing prior to the Melo trade.



The Knicks did right not to rush into a deal with Houston. They played the wait game, and got Melo to drop the gun and release a longer list than the Rockets.

If only Melo accepted a trade in such places since June, we would have had more leverage to get more in return.
He wouldn’t allow Phil to trade him, and wouldn’t allow Mills to trade him elsewhere than Houston for 3 months.

Good riddance. I am sure Melo will save his energy for a 60 pt effort at MSG on Dec 16, but I am sure as well he will accept to share duties with Westbrook and George, like he did in Team USA. Something he never did in NY, except for one year where a HOF PG commanded the ball.

Melo was due to be a #2 option all his career, he is a #3 option now, so I have no doubt he will look good in OKC. Maybe even reach the WCF. He must be hurt himself to leave NY.

The Knicks treated him as a #1 option, that was their mistake, and I will give Melo one thing, that was the Knicks mistake, not his, and they will still pay that mistake next season.

Time to move on now, I am curious to watch what this young team can do. Porzingis was impressive at EuroBasket as the #1 option, people say we are due to tank.
But this could be a surprise of a season for us. To remove Melo is addition by substraction. We have a good rotation of bigs, if not great, and I expect Ntilikina to improve our backcourt defense.
The media will be tough as usual, but there will be no expectations this year, the departure of Melo should give this locker-room some fresh air to start over.

A post full of nothing dude is gone and you still can't get the hate out your heart lol sht is sad man

What is sad is that folks like you fail to understand you could want Melo elsewhere, and be happy he’s gone, without actually hating him.

I actually stated he’d drop 60 on us and he’d do well in OKC, on a team he’s not expected to be the number one option. Dare I add I wish him best there.

The Knicks are responsible for these six painful years. Melo is responsible for stopping the ball to much.
Big difference.

And if those six years weren’t painful enough to you so that you already moved on from Melo on day 1 after he’s gone, dare I say you probably aren’t a Knicks fan as I much as I am.

Make no mistake about it. I don’t hate Carmelo as I much as I hate Jim Dolan.

What's really sad is your trying to pass your bs opinions off as fact we all saw what really went down but fans like you hide behind your personally opinions of melo which clouds your judgement. Lol your more of a fan because you hate melo yea dude makes sense.

[Damas]

Even when my wish becomes true we do it in such an incompetent way. ****.

[br7knicks]

i know this is petty of me, but i'm most happy that houston didn't land melo. i hate harden so much. i'm happy melo fell out from under houston's grasp. they tried to play hardball, and **** themselves.

**** harden

[god shammgod]

you can always have a few mediocre players on d and get away with it. the one place you can not have a mediocre defender is the center spot because he is the last line of defense. so of course we are cornering the market on centers who are bad at defense.

[BIRDMAN BIRDMAN]

Chill guys.

supercoolBeas has that spot Melo left all covered. All-star ish season, 20+PPG. Book it.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I mentioned OKC as a good fit for Melo back in February and some poster ripped me for it but looks like I was right. We should have gotten Ferguson or first round pick but I'm not going to lose sleep over that. It's a much better trade than what Houston was offering. I wonder if the Knicks view this trade as just a salary dump or they consider either of these guys part of the core.

[god shammgod]

Chill guys.

supercoolBeas has that spot Melo left all covered. All-star ish season, 20+PPG. Book it.

this is gonna get old real quick

[BadNewsBarnes]

Tanking shouldn't be cool, it should be effective. Playing defense is an ineffective way to lose games.

Excellent point...if you lose every game 123-115 it doesn't look like tanking...but it's tanking.

[newyorker4ever]

Tanking shouldn't be cool, it should be effective. Playing defense is an ineffective way to lose games.

in an ideal world you have young players with the ability to defend, but need a season or two to get it going. that's how you tank and have the right guys going forward.

First you tank, then you get the young players, otherwise, you shouldn't tank.

I'm surprised there's still a lot of you that think the Knicks will tank. I think they've made it pretty clear over the last few years that tanking isn't something the Knicks will do so you guys are just setting yourselves up for disappointment......again. If there's 5 players in this draft that are the cream of the crop then expect the Knicks to end up with the 6th pick. This is the Knicks and an organization that has built up so much bad Karma over the years that it's gonna take years for them to get it back.