ImageImageImageImageImage

Around the NBA 2

Moderators: Deeeez Knicks, dakomish23, mpharris36, j4remi, NoLayupRule, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, HerSports85

cuyankees
Veteran
Posts: 2,534
And1: 1,274
Joined: Feb 15, 2014

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#201 » by cuyankees » Thu Dec 6, 2018 10:02 pm

Greenie wrote:
cuyankees wrote:Good article about death of mid range and most importantly, Melo being the last of the MJ type player. His peers have adapted, he has not and that's the end of it.

Hated the Melo trade when it happened, hated PJax resigning him but feel sorry for the guy bc he's getting a bad rap, unfortunately stats are showing why and it's really hard to wrap my mind around how 1 player can have such an effect on a team. It's a shame and an end of an era



It is. People already know I feel like his effect on a team is really overrated due to BS narratives. He’s not the first and won’t be the last player this will happen too.


Side note: Pop seems really annoyed with the state of the NBA. That’s sad too.

Those post and mid-range monsters were a thing of beauty.

And rightfully so, similar to baseball, basketball is taken over by analytics and games are practically unwatchable bc guys are running up & down the court, launching 3s all game. There's no offense, now no defense, just drive, kick or drive pull up 3. Curious to see what the playoffs look like w new rules
User avatar
god shammgod
RealGM
Posts: 138,839
And1: 137,939
Joined: Feb 18, 2006

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#202 » by god shammgod » Thu Dec 6, 2018 10:03 pm

i read the article. it was good. but everything changes, that's life. the only thing that lasts forever is seemingly wingo.
User avatar
Capn'O
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 90,821
And1: 111,047
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Location: Bone Goal
 

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#203 » by Capn'O » Thu Dec 6, 2018 10:17 pm

Analytics aren't the problem but they do identify the problem precisely.

The problem is that when the 3 was introduced it was a hard shot that people weren't used to taking and making. Only a few guys could hit it at a rate that was worth even trying. More players practice it now, and it's become too easy to hit. Especially the corner 3. The stats point to the reality that you're better off getting really good at that than developing any other skill if you're not some sort of stud playmaker.

Now what do you do? Move the corner 3 back any further and you're almost off the court. So you gotta widen the court and change every arena in the league to accommodate that? That's not trivial.


If the 3 ball were a harder shot, it would be a less efficient shot and analytics as well as common sense would diminish it's value once again.
BAF Clippers:
UNDER CONSTRUCTION - PLEASE INQUIRE WITHIN

:beer:
Greenie
RealGM
Posts: 58,966
And1: 30,697
Joined: Feb 25, 2010

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#204 » by Greenie » Thu Dec 6, 2018 10:34 pm

cuyankees wrote:
Greenie wrote:
cuyankees wrote:Good article about death of mid range and most importantly, Melo being the last of the MJ type player. His peers have adapted, he has not and that's the end of it.

Hated the Melo trade when it happened, hated PJax resigning him but feel sorry for the guy bc he's getting a bad rap, unfortunately stats are showing why and it's really hard to wrap my mind around how 1 player can have such an effect on a team. It's a shame and an end of an era



It is. People already know I feel like his effect on a team is really overrated due to BS narratives. He’s not the first and won’t be the last player this will happen too.


Side note: Pop seems really annoyed with the state of the NBA. That’s sad too.

Those post and mid-range monsters were a thing of beauty.

And rightfully so, similar to baseball, basketball is taken over by analytics and games are practically unwatchable bc guys are running up & down the court, launching 3s all game. There's no offense, now no defense, just drive, kick or drive pull up 3. Curious to see what the playoffs look like w new rules



I remember when KD didn’t throw up a last second half court shot because it would mess up his stats...
User avatar
Buttah304
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,849
And1: 7,161
Joined: Feb 09, 2011

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#205 » by Buttah304 » Thu Dec 6, 2018 11:05 pm

Where do you rank Kawhi Sham? Best player in NBA? 3rd?.....
User avatar
god shammgod
RealGM
Posts: 138,839
And1: 137,939
Joined: Feb 18, 2006

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#206 » by god shammgod » Fri Dec 7, 2018 12:29 am

Buttah304 wrote:Where do you rank Kawhi Sham? Best player in NBA? 3rd?.....


things like this are so hard to determine. i guess 3rd. i would take him over ad and giannis. even if i thought they were all equals i would take the wing with a jumper over the one without and a big man. big men don't really win anymore as your best player.
whocares1
RealGM
Posts: 10,125
And1: 6,264
Joined: Oct 31, 2014
     

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#207 » by whocares1 » Fri Dec 7, 2018 12:53 am

Capn'O wrote:Analytics aren't the problem but they do identify the problem precisely.

The problem is that when the 3 was introduced it was a hard shot that people weren't used to taking and making. Only a few guys could hit it at a rate that was worth even trying. More players practice it now, and it's become too easy to hit. Especially the corner 3. The stats point to the reality that you're better off getting really good at that than developing any other skill if you're not some sort of stud playmaker.

Now what do you do? Move the corner 3 back any further and you're almost off the court. So you gotta widen the court and change every arena in the league to accommodate that? That's not trivial.


If the 3 ball were a harder shot, it would be a less efficient shot and analytics as well as common sense would diminish it's value once again.


It would have the same affect as highering the rim would. The players that can borderline dunk would be forced to lay it in, but the rest would largely be unimpacted. Players can shoot well beyond the line now. It won’t have a large affect on the players if the line was moved back. Would only impact bigs who have already suffered enough.
User avatar
GEOLINK
General Manager
Posts: 9,856
And1: 8,510
Joined: Mar 16, 2014
       

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#208 » by GEOLINK » Fri Dec 7, 2018 3:36 am

Read on Twitter


Bruh
Adelheid
RealGM
Posts: 11,746
And1: 7,965
Joined: Jul 10, 2014
 

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#209 » by Adelheid » Fri Dec 7, 2018 4:08 am

wat da hell is happening with the suns? dafuq?
User avatar
omerome
RealGM
Posts: 16,574
And1: 8,837
Joined: Aug 22, 2004
Location: Maryland (via Brooklyn)

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#210 » by omerome » Fri Dec 7, 2018 4:17 am

GEOLINK wrote:
Read on Twitter


Bruh

They aren't even trying anymore. Just blatant tankage. Which is so dumb because that team has so much talent to suck so bad.
User avatar
GEOLINK
General Manager
Posts: 9,856
And1: 8,510
Joined: Mar 16, 2014
       

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#211 » by GEOLINK » Fri Dec 7, 2018 5:24 am

Rockets should be begging the Suns for Ariza back.
DOLPHIN2020
Veteran
Posts: 2,682
And1: 1,138
Joined: Jun 03, 2011

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#212 » by DOLPHIN2020 » Fri Dec 7, 2018 7:34 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
sushibear wrote:Damn Thunder is ballin. Remember when they said billy donovan was the problem.


Guess the problem was some other guy


:D
Ariza?
duetta
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 31,437
And1: 12,886
Joined: Aug 28, 2002
Location: Patrolling the middle....

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#213 » by duetta » Fri Dec 7, 2018 8:34 am

Lebron to Anthony's rescue!
LookToShoot
Analyst
Posts: 3,124
And1: 1,686
Joined: Jun 22, 2014
   

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#214 » by LookToShoot » Fri Dec 7, 2018 12:34 pm

I liked the ESPN article on Melo. He didn’t get worse, the league did, that’s my opinion. “Analytics” watered down the game and is intended to make mediocre players look great.
User avatar
awy
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,654
And1: 1,341
Joined: Nov 06, 2017
 

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#215 » by awy » Fri Dec 7, 2018 1:45 pm

Read on Twitter


suns are really a flaming mess right now. look to get whoever is in their doghouse for some of our no future players.
B8RcDeMktfxC
General Manager
Posts: 9,680
And1: 6,499
Joined: Nov 23, 2018
Location: C'MON, COME GET THE FUKKIN BALL

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#216 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Fri Dec 7, 2018 3:34 pm

Capn'O wrote:Analytics aren't the problem but they do identify the problem precisely.

The problem is that when the 3 was introduced it was a hard shot that people weren't used to taking and making. Only a few guys could hit it at a rate that was worth even trying. More players practice it now, and it's become too easy to hit. Especially the corner 3. The stats point to the reality that you're better off getting really good at that than developing any other skill if you're not some sort of stud playmaker.

Now what do you do? Move the corner 3 back any further and you're almost off the court. So you gotta widen the court and change every arena in the league to accommodate that? That's not trivial.


If the 3 ball were a harder shot, it would be a less efficient shot and analytics as well as common sense would diminish it's value once again.

Maybe a better way to diminish the value of a 3 point shot would be to .. diminish its value! .. and make it a 2.5 point shot.
User avatar
Reign23
RealGM
Posts: 11,788
And1: 12,622
Joined: Dec 29, 2014
Location: Germany.
   

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#217 » by Reign23 » Fri Dec 7, 2018 3:41 pm

LookToShoot wrote:I liked the ESPN article on Melo. He didn’t get worse, the league did, that’s my opinion. “Analytics” watered down the game and is intended to make mediocre players look great.


oh course he got worse.
formerly known as knickst4pe
User avatar
Reign23
RealGM
Posts: 11,788
And1: 12,622
Joined: Dec 29, 2014
Location: Germany.
   

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#218 » by Reign23 » Fri Dec 7, 2018 3:43 pm

duetta wrote:Lebron to Anthony's rescue!


I think melo would be a better fit in miami or brooklyn where he could have the ball more in his hands, but NVM I'm happy if he plays again and will continue rooting for him!
formerly known as knickst4pe
User avatar
DOT
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 31,574
And1: 61,535
Joined: Nov 25, 2016
         

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#219 » by DOT » Fri Dec 7, 2018 3:44 pm

Reign23 wrote:
LookToShoot wrote:I liked the ESPN article on Melo. He didn’t get worse, the league did, that’s my opinion. “Analytics” watered down the game and is intended to make mediocre players look great.


oh course he got worse.
Well he did get worse, but it's just age and injuries. Happens to everyone

Sent from my SM-G965U using RealGM mobile app
BaF Lakers:

Nikola Topic/Kasparas Jakucionis
VJ Edgecombe/Jrue Holiday
Shaedon Sharpe/Cedric Coward
Kyle Filipowski/Collin Murray-Boyles
Alex Sarr/Clint Capela

Bench: Malcolm Brogdon/Hansen Yang/Rocco Zikarsky/RJ Luis Jr.
User avatar
robillionaire
RealGM
Posts: 40,278
And1: 57,896
Joined: Jul 12, 2015
Location: Asheville
     

Re: Around the NBA 2 

Post#220 » by robillionaire » Fri Dec 7, 2018 3:45 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Analytics aren't the problem but they do identify the problem precisely.

The problem is that when the 3 was introduced it was a hard shot that people weren't used to taking and making. Only a few guys could hit it at a rate that was worth even trying. More players practice it now, and it's become too easy to hit. Especially the corner 3. The stats point to the reality that you're better off getting really good at that than developing any other skill if you're not some sort of stud playmaker.

Now what do you do? Move the corner 3 back any further and you're almost off the court. So you gotta widen the court and change every arena in the league to accommodate that? That's not trivial.


If the 3 ball were a harder shot, it would be a less efficient shot and analytics as well as common sense would diminish it's value once again.

Maybe a better way to diminish the value of a 3 point shot would be to .. diminish its value! .. and make it a 2.5 point shot.


Better yet diminish its value entirely and just make it a 2 point shot

Return to New York Knicks