PG Thread: Excellent loss

[3toheadmelo]

Snap Redraft ... Doncic clearly 1, Knox maybe 3-6?

1. Luka Doncic
2. Deandre Ayton
3. Jaren Jackson Jr
4. Marvin Bagley
5. Trae Young
6. Wendell Carter Jr
7. Mo Bamba
8. Collin Sexton
9. Kevin Knox
10. SGA
11. Mikal Bridges
12. Miles Bridges

Basically the same

I would take SGA over Knox.
Don’t know about Sexton though.

yeah i don't think you can go wrong with SGA either. i had a tough time making this list since most of these guys have been pretty solid so far and also have great potential. i would not be surprised if a redraft next year or so looks much different than how it is now (and that includes doncic possibly being dethroned from #1). this rookie class really looks promising and im just glad the knicks are a part of it. props to pills for the knox pick. i was not a big fan of it at first but knox has grown on me a lot throughout the season

[DOT]

and f*ck the dumb sh*t. cavs about to pull out the win, keep your eyes on the road.

Now wait til we end up with the worst record but the Cavs jump us for the #1 pick

Honestly, from a game theory perspective, if you're trying to get the #1 pick, it makes no difference if you're the worst or 3rd worst team, cause the odds are the same

It's like betting on a dice roll and picking 6 cause it's the highest number

[Thugger HBC]

you don't redo a draft after 2 and a half months. you gotta wait years to be sure. michael carter willams won rookie of the year over oladipo. tyreke evans won it over harden and steph. see what i mean. it's silly.

qft

[robillionaire]

and f*ck the dumb sh*t. cavs about to pull out the win, keep your eyes on the road.

[Adelheid]

checked the scoreboard; cavs would win indeed

[robillionaire]

and f*ck the dumb sh*t. cavs about to pull out the win, keep your eyes on the road.

Now wait til we end up with the worst record but the Cavs jump us for the #1 pick

Honestly, from a game theory perspective, if you're trying to get the #1 pick, it makes no difference if you're the worst or 3rd worst team, cause the odds are the same

It's like betting on a dice roll and picking 6 cause it's the highest number

That’s true but we need to make absolutely sure we are in that bottom 3 so every game our tank enemies win matters. We have a lot of winnable games in the last couple weeks of the season.

[egelband]

Most people hated Melo for this reason...but love Knox and KP who are both doing their best to immitate him.

If the goal was to move towards more effective and efficient scoring then this is not the answer.

People will point to PG...which is the same issue as before.

Well the big difference is both are younger and both are at least moldable.

Is there hypocrisy? Sure but I’m not sure this is the battle worth dying on a hill for.

I’m not even on a hill. Calling **** how I see it.

Knox is not efficient.

Say different. You can’t.

KP is not efficient.

Say different. You can’t.


That’s what BG is pointing out and I thoroughly agree with his premise since it’s one that he stays consistent with.


Either you want efficient players or you don’t.

No hill. No bait. Simple truth. People don’t like when weaknesses that are glaring are pointed out about players on a 10 win team. That’s stupidity.

The only poster even trying to address the efficiency argument is Cap. Problem is that this same argument has been had since Jason Kidd retired. Do you have faith that we will finally go get a PG to control these scorers we have? I don’t and Zion is not a PG. We need players who don’t need a PG.

So? You’re talking about neophytes. Give them a chance.

[Oscirus]

and f*ck the dumb sh*t. cavs about to pull out the win, keep your eyes on the road.

Now wait til we end up with the worst record but the Cavs jump us for the #1 pick

Honestly, from a game theory perspective, if you're trying to get the #1 pick, it makes no difference if you're the worst or 3rd worst team, cause the odds are the same

It's like betting on a dice roll and picking 6 cause it's the highest number

Having fifth pick at worst is still better than having the sixth or lower regardless.

[egelband]

The way Fizdale drools and acknowledges other teams star players it should be tampering lol.

I would agree were the Knicks a contender. But right now I’m good with the chummy approach.

[DOT]

and f*ck the dumb sh*t. cavs about to pull out the win, keep your eyes on the road.

Now wait til we end up with the worst record but the Cavs jump us for the #1 pick

Honestly, from a game theory perspective, if you're trying to get the #1 pick, it makes no difference if you're the worst or 3rd worst team, cause the odds are the same

It's like betting on a dice roll and picking 6 cause it's the highest number

Having fifth pick at worst is still better than having the sixth or lower regardless.

Yeah, but I'm talking purely about getting #1

As long as you're bottom 3, it's all the same, and losing more games to get a higher "chance" is statistically as likely to hurt you as help you to get the #1 pick

[3toheadmelo]

Now wait til we end up with the worst record but the Cavs jump us for the #1 pick

Honestly, from a game theory perspective, if you're trying to get the #1 pick, it makes no difference if you're the worst or 3rd worst team, cause the odds are the same

It's like betting on a dice roll and picking 6 cause it's the highest number

Having fifth pick at worst is still better than having the sixth or lower regardless.

Yeah, but I'm talking purely about getting #1

As long as you're bottom 3, it's all the same, and losing more games to get a higher "chance" is statistically as likely to hurt you as help you to get the #1 pick

not trying to derail the thread but i saw this hypothetical idea on the GB and i think it's pretty intriguing. lets say the knicks get Zion and the pelicans offer us AD for him. would you do it? im torn

[robillionaire]

Now wait til we end up with the worst record but the Cavs jump us for the #1 pick

Honestly, from a game theory perspective, if you're trying to get the #1 pick, it makes no difference if you're the worst or 3rd worst team, cause the odds are the same

It's like betting on a dice roll and picking 6 cause it's the highest number

Having fifth pick at worst is still better than having the sixth or lower regardless.

Yeah, but I'm talking purely about getting #1

As long as you're bottom 3, it's all the same, and losing more games to get a higher "chance" is statistically as likely to hurt you as help you to get the #1 pick

Yes but we are 3rd, and the 4th team is 1 win behind us and the 5th 2 behind them. If we get to a point where the 4th team is 4 or 5 games and probably can’t catch us then at that point ok sure, it won’t matter

[god shammgod]

even 3rd is not guaranteed yet for us, lot of season left. so, you gotta stay in the hunt and hope for these other teams to win some.

[islanders11040]

you don't redo a draft after 2 and a half months. you gotta wait years to be sure. michael carter willams won rookie of the year over oladipo. tyreke evans won it over harden and steph. see what i mean. it's silly.

you redo a draft at any given time you feel like talking about it. As time passes the redo will change based on performance and realizing potential. Also you can't honestly tell me that no team in the top 5 would try to take Doncic from the Mavs in a redraft even though very little time has passed.

We are just discussing random Knicks fan thoughts here.

[robillionaire]

even 3rd is not guaranteed yet for us, lot of season left. so, you gotta stay in the hunt and hope for these other teams to win some.

Like as god awful as the Cavs have been if they somehow string together 2 more wins they’re out of the bottom 3

And they still have to play the Bulls twice this month

The tank can’t sleep

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

not trying to derail the thread but i saw this hypothetical idea on the GB and i think it's pretty intriguing. lets say the knicks get Zion and the pelicans offer us AD for him. would you do it? im torn

lolwat? you snap that off before they can get seller's remorse.

[ChaosHamster]

Knox is starting to learn. If in the beginning of the year, 4 out of his 5 drives were out of control, him just banging into in the lane and throwing out wild shots.

Now dude is using his body. His 2nd basket when he just went straight into Shamet's chest, dropped him on the floor and got an easy two. Or on the fastbreak where he uses his length and kind of an europ-step(? ) to get around defenders. Thats what I like to see more.

And his shot is still looking great.

And damn, so Frank always gonna look mad aggressive for 2-3 games after he sat out (either coz of injuries or being in the dungeon)? I hope its not gonna be it this time.

That first step when he got around Embiid and layed it in, had me confused for a moment. That was quick.

[DOT]

Having fifth pick at worst is still better than having the sixth or lower regardless.

Yeah, but I'm talking purely about getting #1

As long as you're bottom 3, it's all the same, and losing more games to get a higher "chance" is statistically as likely to hurt you as help you to get the #1 pick

not trying to derail the thread but i saw this hypothetical idea on the GB and i think it's pretty intriguing. lets say the knicks get Zion and the pelicans offer us AD for him. would you do it? im torn

I'd probably keep Zion, honestly

Here's my reasoning. AD is a sure thing, top 5 ish player in the league, and I'm not sure Zion has that potential

But, if you trade for AD, that's basically it. Unless you can dump Tim, AD/KP/Tim alone will be making like 70% of the cap for the next 2 seasons, meaning we'd be more or less locked in to the current group plus AD. I don't know if that's enough to get us the championship, in all honesty. Especially if Knox doesn't live up to his potential, and we never really have a true #1 guy that can create for himself, and with Frank being, well, Frank, I'm not sure he'd be able to create enough shots to make it work

Now, a lot of the same play style complaints would happen with Zion as well. However, by keeping Zion, we retain our cap space for a max player in the next couple years. If nobody wants to come this offseason, just roll it over until we catch a big fish. If the rumors about Kyrie are true, that he's unhappy (which I don't believe and don't think he'd come here anyways, but let's roll with it), then you'd be looking at a lineup of Kyrie/Frank/Knox/Zion/KP vs Frank/Tim/Knox/KP/AD. Honestly, I'd take the first lineup. Obviously nothing is a guarantee with free agency, but I don't believe we're at the point where we can restrict our possibilities, cause our core isn't good enough for that. So, I keep Zion and try the mystery box

[Wonderllama]

Imagine booing the Kevin Knox pick at the draft. I can't even

[god shammgod]

you don't redo a draft after 2 and a half months. you gotta wait years to be sure. michael carter willams won rookie of the year over oladipo. tyreke evans won it over harden and steph. see what i mean. it's silly.

you redo a draft at any given time you feel like talking about it. As time passes the redo will change based on performance and realizing potential. Also you can't honestly tell me that no team in the top 5 would try to take Doncic from the Mavs in a redraft even though very little time has passed.

We are just discussing random Knicks fan thoughts here.

that's the point tho. it's still gonna change, probably a few times. i understand though, it's just something to talk about.