Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

[DowNY]

Tying your max slot to DLO is not some genius move lol

Knicks analytics team = where spunking all your cap on bigs in 2019 who dont even move the needle happens

We signed 3 bigs where we only had Mitch Robinson a week ago. Need and depth with potential in Randle.
You wanted to bring Vonleh back for what exactly? To not be worth a 2nd rd pick again?
Jordan Bell isn’t better than any of the bigs on our team, so not sure where that even matters or qualifies as moving any needle.
Nothing moves than needle more than progression from all our young guys already on the team. DSJ, Trier, Knox, RJ & Mitch. If they all improve, all our signings do move the needle because not many teams have quality depth.

Using all your cap on bigs on that are not even close to superstar level where players like Bell Vonleh WCS Looney all go for minimum or tick above shows the vision of the front office thats not progression

People praising Mitch contract but if you use all the remaining cap on other bigs that negates all the value of Mitch contract

Bell, Vonleh, WCS & Looney are all worse than the worst big on our team. That’s why they went for minimum.
You’re talking about money being tied into bigs like it’s not 1+1 deals and acting like you don’t realize bigs is a position with the least depth on this team still.
We got plenty of wings & guards.

[Mecca]

The Knicks should have got in the Josh Jackson sweepstakes.

Maybe they can still get Ben McLemore. He is a highlight reel

Who is a highlight reel?

[Knicksfan20]

The Knicks should have got in the Josh Jackson sweepstakes.

Maybe they can still get Ben McLemore. He is a highlight reel

No

[JBreezeNY]

Tying your max slot to DLO is not some genius move lol

Knicks analytics team = where spunking all your cap on bigs in 2019 who dont even move the needle happens

We signed 3 bigs where we only had Mitch Robinson a week ago. Need and depth with potential in Randle.
You wanted to bring Vonleh back for what exactly? To not be worth a 2nd rd pick again?
Jordan Bell isn’t better than any of the bigs on our team, so not sure where that even matters or qualifies as moving any needle.
Nothing moves than needle more than progression from all our young guys already on the team. DSJ, Trier, Knox, RJ & Mitch. If they all improve, all our signings do move the needle because not many teams have quality depth.

Using all your cap on bigs on that are not even close to superstar level where players like Bell Vonleh WCS Looney all go for minimum or tick above shows the vision of the front office thats not progression

People praising Mitch contract but if you use all the remaining cap on other bigs that negates all the value of Mitch contract

That’s the point, they’re there as support, not to steal the spotlight.

Mitch only has one year of professional basketball under his belt under than high school, he’s not ready yet.

Portis & Taj are there to help, teach him some things, help him grow, Randle potentially could be Mitch’s running mate if things go well. But if not, he could give Mitch some pointers on offense.

Most importantly outside of Randle, all the FA’s are in short term deals, there is no negative in this.

[Oscirus]

We signed 3 bigs where we only had Mitch Robinson a week ago. Need and depth with potential in Randle.
You wanted to bring Vonleh back for what exactly? To not be worth a 2nd rd pick again?
Jordan Bell isn’t better than any of the bigs on our team, so not sure where that even matters or qualifies as moving any needle.
Nothing moves than needle more than progression from all our young guys already on the team. DSJ, Trier, Knox, RJ & Mitch. If they all improve, all our signings do move the needle because not many teams have quality depth.

Using all your cap on bigs on that are not even close to superstar level where players like Bell Vonleh WCS Looney all go for minimum or tick above shows the vision of the front office thats not progression

People praising Mitch contract but if you use all the remaining cap on other bigs that negates all the value of Mitch contract

Bell, Vonleh, WCS & Looney are all worse than the worst big on our team. That’s why they went for minimum.
You’re talking about money being tied into bigs like it’s not 1+1 deals and acting like you don’t realize bigs is a position with the least depth on this team still.
We got plenty of wings & guards.

Yea I don't think people realize how thin we are at front court. One person goes down, we gonna be in trouble

[G_K_F]

Jordan Bell and Vonleh for 3 mil combined vs Randle Portis Taj for 110+ mil is a fcking travesty man

You can see that new Wolves GM from Rockets got those analytics right

The Knicks are more proficient in anal-ytics than analytics.

[Guano]

"Tag the best and worst shooter you know and don’t tell them which one they are lol @juliusrandle30 is gettin’ ready for the big apple "

25 straight 3s

Sad how he has a smoother jumper than DSJ

you sure about that:

[BLACKFEET 2010]

The Knicks should have got in the Josh Jackson sweepstakes.

Maybe they can still get Ben McLemore. He is a High Times reel

Who is a highlight reel?

Fixed

[K_ick_God]

The Knicks should have got in the Josh Jackson sweepstakes.

Maybe they can still get Ben McLemore. He is a highlight reel

No

The big winner of the Josh Jackson Sweepstakes is the biggest loser.

[El Poochio]

We signed 3 bigs where we only had Mitch Robinson a week ago. Need and depth with potential in Randle.
You wanted to bring Vonleh back for what exactly? To not be worth a 2nd rd pick again?
Jordan Bell isn’t better than any of the bigs on our team, so not sure where that even matters or qualifies as moving any needle.
Nothing moves than needle more than progression from all our young guys already on the team. DSJ, Trier, Knox, RJ & Mitch. If they all improve, all our signings do move the needle because not many teams have quality depth.

Using all your cap on bigs on that are not even close to superstar level where players like Bell Vonleh WCS Looney all go for minimum or tick above shows the vision of the front office thats not progression

People praising Mitch contract but if you use all the remaining cap on other bigs that negates all the value of Mitch contract

Bell, Vonleh, WCS & Looney are all worse than the worst big on our team. That’s why they went for minimum.
You’re talking about money being tied into bigs like it’s not 1+1 deals and acting like you don’t realize bigs is a position with the least depth on this team still.
We got plenty of wings & guards.

Those players with those deals destroy what we got value wise, just not a smart moneyball way to use your cap

[El Poochio]

Jordan Bell and Vonleh for 3 mil combined vs Randle Portis Taj for 110+ mil is a fcking travesty man

You can see that new Wolves GM from Rockets got those analytics right

The Knicks are more proficient in anal-ytics than analytics.

I dont wanna hear about that analytics team ever again more like scam squad

[K_ick_God]

Is that old or is Randle working out at the Lakers’ facility?

[symbiotic]

The big winner of the Josh Jackson Sweepstakes is the biggest loser.

As a main player, you're correct. His decision making is not to be trusted. Any team with him as a first option is winning 5 games in the season.

In his last games as a Phoenix Sun, he averaged just below 20 PPG a game. As a player deep in the rotation in the bench, one could do a lot worse. He has one in 500 million athleticism and is a genetic anomaly

[Maury2423]

People talking about how we didnt get any players that move the needle or that the moves we made will keep us on the treadmill lol

Other than Kawhi and POSSIBLY KD, there is no one else that can move the Knicks' "needle" or get the Knicks "off the treadmill".

Something else some of you may need to understand, we dont even have a needle to move and we arent even on a treadmill lol, so worrying about or being upset about signing a bunch of hardworking vets that each have something specific that they do very well thatr have kept them in the league is crucial... including things like outworking your opponent, using their body when they're under the basket, keeping their dribble alive, setting a screen/pick, boxing out, running off screens and having your feet set to catch and shoot, etc are all extremely important things in our situation because our young guys dont even know how to play yet. We have young guys with tons of talent but all of them lack tons of things that keep guys in the league for a decade+ or turn them into an all star/superstar.

Oh and they're essentially on 1yr deals.

Would I have liked for them to make some moves to pick up a 1st rder instead of signing a guy like Portis and Bullock? Yeh, i cant lie about that, I would have preffered that but that doesnt mean that we made a bad move by getting Portis and Bullock imo.

Relax and enjoy the process, we're finally making smart moves, not panicking when our plan A doesnt work out. This is going to take a few years to pan out, just hope that Dolan doesnt get impatient and fire Perry.

[K_ick_God]

Jordan Bell and Vonleh for 3 mil combined vs Randle Portis Taj for 110+ mil is a fcking travesty man

You can see that new Wolves GM from Rockets got those analytics right

The Knicks are more proficient in anal-ytics than analytics.

I dont wanna hear about that analytics team ever again more like scam squad

I was looking at Kuzma and his RPM was bad. Really bad. But the Lakers wouldn’t part with him. You have to sometimes consider what your team is gonna look like together. Knicks need scoring as much as they need good analytics. Randle has to tighten it up but Taj will help and Portis at 40% from 3 is notable. The rooks are more likely to fail long term if we don’t start winning games and stay close in games.

Gives the young players a chance to make positive contributions to games in smaller ways, asked to do less, and then they and the team progress.

Did Ibaka have good analytics? Or Lowry? The mix helped them win games and a title.

Gotta get a little lucky. Did Brooklyn have great analytics? I can’t imagine D-Lo does or Allen is off the charts. Yet the Nets are the toast of the town.

We need wins. Analytics only a part of that.

Plus Mitch does compensate a lot and these are tradable deals.

I think it’s a good gamble on a Plan B.

[Sark]

Jordan Bell and Vonleh for 3 mil combined vs Randle Portis Taj for 110+ mil is a fcking travesty man

You can see that new Wolves GM from Rockets got those analytics right

The Knicks are more proficient in anal-ytics than analytics.

I dont wanna hear about that analytics team ever again more like scam squad

Right there with the playoff scout team.

[newyorker4ever]

Screw Lance Thomas.

The following guys (who I still show as available) for one reason or another makes more sense IMO:

Vets for Leadership and Mentoring:

Vince Carter - look if there's one guy that you want to "mentor" RJ Barrett that also happens to be a great veteran and lockerroom guy...and is available for nothing more than just money...it's Vince Carter.

Loul Deng - another long time vet that could help the young guys develop their game, consummate professional, super hard nose no nonsense guy. He could also do wonders in helping Barrett with the none flashy basics.

Amir Johnson - another long time NBA vet that could provide great mentorship and lockerroom presence for the Knicks bigs.

Young Guys with Some Upside:

Cheik Diallo- athletic high energy young player, sign him to a min deal and see what you have.

Jonathan Motley - former Oregon star never really got a chance with the Clips. Big, athletic long armed big man that can shoot a little, run the floor and finish. Was the Clippers 2-way player last season.

Watch on YouTube

Insurance Vets:

Justin Holiday - if we are going to bring back a former Knick I'd rather Justin Holiday than Lance Thomas. Holiday might actual serve some use.

Shelvin Mack - gives the team some depth at PG, he's the perfect 3rd string PG.

Erick Moreland - he's a big aggressive energy/rebound type guy, great for practice

Lance Thomas has done **** in NY.

I wouldn't mind them bringing Lance back but there's still plenty of names to go with your names you mentioned i wouldn't mind them getting.

K.Caldwell Pope--3-D

I.Shumpert--3-D

J.Crawford--Bring him home for a year

[El Poochio]

The Knicks are more proficient in anal-ytics than analytics.

I dont wanna hear about that analytics team ever again more like scam squad

I was looking at Kuzma and his RPM was bad. Really bad. But the Lakers wouldn’t part with him. You have to sometimes consider what your team is gonna look like together. Knicks need scoring as much as they need good analytics. Randle has to tighten it up but Taj will help and Portis at 40% from 3 is notable. The rooks are more likely to fail long term if we don’t start winning games and stay close in games.

Gives the young players a chance to make positive contributions to games in smaller ways, asked to do less, and then they and the team progress.

Did Ibaka have good analytics? Or Lowry? The mix helped them win games and a title.

Gotta get a little lucky. Did Brooklyn have great analytics? I can’t imagine D-Lo does or Allen is off the charts. Yet the Nets are the toast of the town.

We need wins. Analytics only a part of that.

Plus Mitch does compensate a lot and these are tradable deals.

I think it’s a good gamble on a Plan B.

Brooklyn had their basketball identity established well before even with bums and that modern fast paced 3 point bombing style must have got players attention and found pleasant enough since two of the top FAs went there, where we keep investing in selfish ball hog players suited to what Fizz been trying to do with his iso shİt

Well I hope you guise are right and we somehow come out as winners from these investments and not be just missed opportunity costs

[K_ick_God]

I dont wanna hear about that analytics team ever again more like scam squad

I was looking at Kuzma and his RPM was bad. Really bad. But the Lakers wouldn’t part with him. You have to sometimes consider what your team is gonna look like together. Knicks need scoring as much as they need good analytics. Randle has to tighten it up but Taj will help and Portis at 40% from 3 is notable. The rooks are more likely to fail long term if we don’t start winning games and stay close in games.

Gives the young players a chance to make positive contributions to games in smaller ways, asked to do less, and then they and the team progress.

Did Ibaka have good analytics? Or Lowry? The mix helped them win games and a title.

Gotta get a little lucky. Did Brooklyn have great analytics? I can’t imagine D-Lo does or Allen is off the charts. Yet the Nets are the toast of the town.

We need wins. Analytics only a part of that.

Plus Mitch does compensate a lot and these are tradable deals.

I think it’s a good gamble on a Plan B.

Brooklyn had their basketball identity established well before even with bums and that modern fast paced 3 point bombing style must have got players attention and found pleasant enough since two of the top FAs went there, where we keep investing in selfish ball hog players suited to what Fizz been trying to do with his iso shİt

Well I hope you guise are right and we somehow come out as winners from these investments and not be just missed opportunity costs

Randle is 3 apg. For a scoring big that’s not selfish. Fiz ... I have no faith. But that’s a separate question.

[El Poochio]

The Knicks are more proficient in anal-ytics than analytics.

I dont wanna hear about that analytics team ever again more like scam squad

Right there with the playoff scout team.

Looool playoff scouting team

They must have soured on everybody decided to invest in all the players who missed playoffs