OT: Official KP Thread

[nedleeds]

Don’t defend signing the bench guys we did, to the numbers we did, instead of getting picks (again), and then complain about a rookie max

this is a ridiculous take. tying up the salary cap by paying a guy with injury concerns, and who hasn't even shown he's worth it, a max deal for 4 years is the same as not making a trade for a 1st round pick in the 20s and instead signing a bunch of one year deals ? really ?

No. The ridiculous take is defending all the bad choices just because those are the ones we ended up with.

You were saying he’s not worth the max before he was traded?

3 options

Give a young stud coming off an injury a 5 year rookie max

Use your extra cap space (wouldn’t prevent you from getting Randle or Morris) to get two firsts (not one don’t change the context) by taking on expiring deals of good vets who could come off the bench (Iggy Harkless)

Signing the bench vets we did on on one year deals

It’s clear which is the worst of the 3 options. I know I’m not alone on this.

You aren't. Even worse ... the negative equity from Timmy was created by the same azzhat who approved the trade. We should have just ridden out Noah and Timmy until we had a real free agent with two functional legs who wanted to come here. Instead they jumped the shark twice to begin the starr fellating.

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No. The ridiculous take is defending all the bad choices just because those are the ones we ended up with.

You were saying he’s not worth the max before he was traded?

3 options

Give a young stud coming off an injury a 5 year rookie max

Use your extra cap space (wouldn’t prevent you from getting Randle or Morris) to get two firsts (not one don’t change the context) by taking on expiring deals of good vets who could come off the bench (Iggy Harkless)

Signing the bench vets we did on on one year deals

It’s clear which is the worst of the 3 options. I know I’m not alone on this.

who defended all the bad choices ? i don't even like most of the players they signed. but signing a guy like kp is the riskiest option by far. there's never been anyone as tall as him who had a long healthy career in the nba playing starter minutes. i've said, i would have done it myself. i also said i would have been scared to death. at any moment he gets hurt again and he's unmovable. not to mention the fact that nobody has any idea if he really is all that good yet.

and you weren't getting 2 firsts guaranteed. you've made that up in your head. there were obviously other teams willing to take on those players for picks because they did. the idea that the knicks would have certainly gotten both of those picks if they wanted it is a fantasy of your own creation so you can fuel your argument.

here's the truth. you're mad at the knicks that they traded kp and all your opinions are filtered through this prism right now. you're basically rooting for kp to succeed and the knicks to fail because of this. and the posters here are actively hating on kp and propping up the likes of juilus f*cking randle so they can feel good about this (and because it's fun). nobody is really being truly honest. but on a knicks forum, opinions are gonna be biased towards the knicks. you can either accept that or keep coming here playing captain save-a-rapist. up to you.

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p.s. this whole post was because i thought of captain save-a-rapist in my head and i wanted to use it. thank you.

The opportunity was out there to absorb salary (widely reported) and it was reported that the Knicks weren’t interested. I’m not making this idea up that we would have gotten two firsts. You even admitted the GSW pick was a missed opportunity. The MIA pick was the second one.

I said Perry got a good deal and that’s not up for debate. Why would someone who’s “looking at it through that prism” say that? Don’t make up chit just b/c I’m not a homer.

We made the worst of the 3 options IMO. That’s what my original comment was. Let’s see by year end which was better

Iggy / GSW 1st / Harkless / MIA 1st

Or

The non Randle / Morris signings.

just because those deals were available doesn't mean the knicks could have gotten them instead of the teams who actually did. you keep missing that point. give me some explanation why the knicks were the preferred destination in both the iggy and harkless trades over the teams they actually ended up on ? what is the reason we end up with those players and those other teams don't ? that's why your argument is dishonest. there's no way of knowing that we would have ended up with one, let alone both players, but you keep talking about it like it's a fact that it could have happened.

and the only thing of real value in that package you're talking about is the golden state pick and the earliest it conveys is 2024. so by the end of the year we won't know anything.

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That's called the knee still isn't strong enough for a quick change in direction, been there. When I tore my left ACL my worse enemy was getting in a car because I had to place all of my pressure on my left so I could put the right in first. The smallest things were what hurt the most. With KP your moving fast in one direction and have to make a sudden change, but that knee is in no way 100% so quick cuts just aren't going to go the way you think it's going to go. Practicing by yourself you can pre-plan your cuts, playing in a game is totally different.

Good info, thanks for sharing. He fell awkwardly again tonight against OKC and I couldn’t help but think he will get injured again. He stumbled over his own feet and fell but looked worse than it was because of his long limbs. Maybe we dodged a bullet?

KP is not a rugged guy. He's going to break down either gradually or suffer another major injury, but he will never be durable or be a force in the playoffs. He's just too wimpy and he obviously never puts in the proper work to strengthen his weaknesses.

Sham said no one this size ever had a longer injury-free career.

There is one. Mark Eaton. He was a 7'4" giant, but he was also built like one. Very rugged.

But even Eaton really only had maybe seven seasons before injuries started to slow him down and he played a few more seasons.

KP is not built like Eaton or even Yao Ming. He's an origami flamingo waiting for the next stiff wind to blow him over.

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[Jstock12]

I feel like people in this thread are analyzing and nitpicking KP's game even more than when he was a Knick

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[Clyde_Style]

So according to 5/38, this next off-season when Dallas is trying to unload KP, the most common response Cuban will get on the other end of the line is:

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$0.50 on the dollar. I think Doncic will help KP but I don't think that's where they should have spent their money offensively. Get him some finishing bigs at the rim better no? And save the money for a true 2nd scorer. KP is at best 3rd IMO. Though if Doncic goes nuts then maybe it doesn't matter.

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sometimes you get lucky by missing out...multiple times it seems for us

[BKlutch]

:wave: Time to start making excuses for KP's poor start. Maybe it's just rust. Maybe he'll start scoring when they get another big next to him. Maybe he'll start playing up to potential in a couple of months.

Right before his anemia kicks in and production declines.

Preseason has never meant so much. I guess Mitch is unplayable also since he fouled out in 5 minutes.

Strawman much? I think so.

KP is a player who is recovering from an injury, and has had a much longer than average time to rehab. He is showing physical limitations. Mitch is a developing, mostly untrained young kid who is making bad decisions but shows all the physical ability he had last year.

Very different situations. KP had years to show he was a dog but he was just a pussy kat.Sorry.

[Billy Goat]

The Knicks trading KP was a good move- an inefficient injury prone player with an unearned sense of ability.

The Knicks also have built a roster centered around the same types of players. So its kind of a wash. Until the roster is built with players who take good shots the Knicks will continue to be stuck in this perpetual 20-35 win mode.

[Clyde_Style]

The Knicks trading KP was a good move- an inefficient injury prone player with an unearned sense of ability.

The Knicks also have built a roster centered around the same types of players. So its kind of a wash. Until the roster is built with players who take good shots the Knicks will continue to be stuck in this perpetual 20-35 win mode.

I'd rather have a season of placeholders than having committed to KP or KD. It's only a wash for now, but in time it becomes a net gain. Add in the draft picks and unloading our worse contracts and it is still a net positive right now.

I know it infuriates some that the roster is so uncertain, but there is something to be said for not being locked in to too many deals. We can hit the reset button next year while having brought along RJ and a few others during the year. It's mostly good from my POV

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[SelbyCobra]

You may wan't to take this up with your friends on the Mavs board. A quick survey indicates the natives are already getting restless about KP.

You made me go look. I do not regret the time I spent there.

It's still a bit concerning how KP just settles for 3pt shots instead of going into the post. He can easily shoot over anyone, has long arms and unblockable shot. Don't know why we see so many forced long shots from him. Hopefully it's just a strategy that Mavs are trying to hide before real games begin.

This was driving me nuts. He was succesful every time he rolled to the rim etc and yet kept throwing up shots from 3 - key issue with that for me is that you got 7'3 rebounding power removed from the under basket area.

Absolutely. And when matched up against guards and small forwards in the post, he needs to be aggressive in punishing them as opposed to bailing them out by taking tougher shots.

Another 9 3s launched for kp on terrible efficiency, this has to stop.

I agree, but I also think hes still hesitant on going into the post some from being off so long.

[K_ick_God]

You may wan't to take this up with your friends on the Mavs board. A quick survey indicates the natives are already getting restless about KP.

You made me go look. I do not regret the time I spent there.

It's still a bit concerning how KP just settles for 3pt shots instead of going into the post. He can easily shoot over anyone, has long arms and unblockable shot. Don't know why we see so many forced long shots from him. Hopefully it's just a strategy that Mavs are trying to hide before real games begin.

This was driving me nuts. He was succesful every time he rolled to the rim etc and yet kept throwing up shots from 3 - key issue with that for me is that you got 7'3 rebounding power removed from the under basket area.

Absolutely. And when matched up against guards and small forwards in the post, he needs to be aggressive in punishing them as opposed to bailing them out by taking tougher shots.

Another 9 3s launched for kp on terrible efficiency, this has to stop.

I agree, but I also think hes still hesitant on going into the post some from being off so long.

City of Dallas, meet Kristaps Porzingis.

He’s bad as a rebounder in traffic and an offensive rebounder. So they’re not getting the 7-3 prowess even if he ”goes back to the post” “after he gets comfortable with his ACL again.”

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[dakomish23]

who defended all the bad choices ? i don't even like most of the players they signed. but signing a guy like kp is the riskiest option by far. there's never been anyone as tall as him who had a long healthy career in the nba playing starter minutes. i've said, i would have done it myself. i also said i would have been scared to death. at any moment he gets hurt again and he's unmovable. not to mention the fact that nobody has any idea if he really is all that good yet.

and you weren't getting 2 firsts guaranteed. you've made that up in your head. there were obviously other teams willing to take on those players for picks because they did. the idea that the knicks would have certainly gotten both of those picks if they wanted it is a fantasy of your own creation so you can fuel your argument.

here's the truth. you're mad at the knicks that they traded kp and all your opinions are filtered through this prism right now. you're basically rooting for kp to succeed and the knicks to fail because of this. and the posters here are actively hating on kp and propping up the likes of juilus f*cking randle so they can feel good about this (and because it's fun). nobody is really being truly honest. but on a knicks forum, opinions are gonna be biased towards the knicks. you can either accept that or keep coming here playing captain save-a-rapist. up to you.

Spoiler:

p.s. this whole post was because i thought of captain save-a-rapist in my head and i wanted to use it. thank you.

The opportunity was out there to absorb salary (widely reported) and it was reported that the Knicks weren’t interested. I’m not making this idea up that we would have gotten two firsts. You even admitted the GSW pick was a missed opportunity. The MIA pick was the second one.

I said Perry got a good deal and that’s not up for debate. Why would someone who’s “looking at it through that prism” say that? Don’t make up chit just b/c I’m not a homer.

We made the worst of the 3 options IMO. That’s what my original comment was. Let’s see by year end which was better

Iggy / GSW 1st / Harkless / MIA 1st

Or

The non Randle / Morris signings.

just because those deals were available doesn't mean the knicks could have gotten them instead of the teams who actually did. you keep missing that point. give me some explanation why the knicks were the preferred destination in both the iggy and harkless trades over the teams they actually ended up on ? what is the reason we end up with those players and those other teams don't ? that's why your argument is dishonest. there's no way of knowing that we would have ended up with one, let alone both players, but you keep talking about it like it's a fact that it could have happened.

and the only thing of real value in that package you're talking about is the golden state pick and the earliest it conveys is 2024. so by the end of the year we won't know anything.

MIA was trying to find a partner for a few days before LAC stepped up and took Harkless. That’s why the Butler S&T took so long. So yes, we had every chance to be the team for that deal and we chose not to. GSW deal, idk who else they went to. But I do know this - we said we are not interested. It’s not like we had the door open and nobody wanted to do business.

your best defense of them never doing salary dumps is “we don’t know if a team would have done it with us”.

Funny how every team that is open to it always seems to be able to do them.

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[nedleeds]

:wave: Time to start making excuses for KP's poor start. Maybe it's just rust. Maybe he'll start scoring when they get another big next to him. Maybe he'll start playing up to potential in a couple of months.

Right before his anemia kicks in and production declines.

Preseason has never meant so much. I guess Mitch is unplayable also since he fouled out in 5 minutes.

Strawman much? I think so.

KP is a player who is recovering from an injury, and has had a much longer than average time to rehab. He is showing physical limitations. Mitch is a developing, mostly untrained young kid who is making bad decisions but shows all the physical ability he had last year.

Very different situations. KP had years to show he was a dog but he was just a pussy kat.Sorry.

He's had a much longer time because the teams he was on were tanking. The Mavs were trying to keep their pick. The Knicks were tanking their asses off. I wouldn't want to come back and play with Emmanuel Mudiay as my point guard either, what a waste. What league are you watching?

His physical limitations have been mostly fatigue, I'd be sick and tired if my point guards were Derrick Rose, Jarrett Jack's Corpse, Trey Burke. The ACL tear was on a dunk when he garbage canned Giannis. He doesn't have foot problems, or back problems.

KP is a pussy? I'll eat that pussy all day, the moment before he dunked on GIannis he was shooting 40% from 3. The rest of the league must be full of massive juicy pussies since they were shooting the worst against KP inside 15 feet than any other dog in the league.

No clue why Knicks fans defend this loser trade, made by a loser GM, to get rid of a terrible contract same loser GM signed, to clear space to sign Bobby Portis, Marcus Morris, Julius Randle and **** Elfrid Payton.

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Preseason has never meant so much. I guess Mitch is unplayable also since he fouled out in 5 minutes.

Strawman much? I think so.

KP is a player who is recovering from an injury, and has had a much longer than average time to rehab. He is showing physical limitations. Mitch is a developing, mostly untrained young kid who is making bad decisions but shows all the physical ability he had last year.

Very different situations. KP had years to show he was a dog but he was just a pussy kat.Sorry.

He's had a much longer time because the teams he was on were tanking. The Mavs were trying to keep their pick. The Knicks were tanking their asses off. I wouldn't want to come back and play with Emmanuel Mudiay as my point guard either, what a waste. What league are you watching?

His physical limitations have been mostly fatigue, I'd be sick and tired if my point guards were Derrick Rose, Jarrett Jack's Corpse, Trey Burke. The ACL tear was on a dunk when he garbage canned Giannis. He doesn't have foot problems, or back problems.

KP is a pussy? I'll eat that pussy all day, the moment before he dunked on GIannis he was shooting 40% from 3. The rest of the league must be full of massive juicy pussies since they were shooting the worst against KP inside 15 feet than any other dog in the league.

No clue why Knicks fans defend this loser trade, made by a loser GM, to get rid of a terrible contract same loser GM signed, to clear space to sign Bobby Portis, Marcus Morris, Julius Randle and **** Elfrid Payton.

No one gives a fk about max contract Ryan Anderson.