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Post#201 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:35 pm

Knox is a bust, giving him playing time and focusing on his “development” are a complete waste of resources. Sometimes you have to identify a sunk cost and adjust before it does any further damage.

Trade him. Cut him. Whatever. Just don’t keep him around RJ and Mitch any longer.

It’s not always just about the environment, at the end of the day it mostly comes down to the player. Michael Beasley busted in Miami under Wade, Spoelstra and Riley, and he had 100x the talent that Knox has. Just spare me the excuses for Knox, he’s already getting too many minutes.
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Post#204 » by iLLmatic860 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:25 am



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Post#205 » by dakomish23 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:58 am

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Growing pains are only worth it if the player shows something worth growing..

No player sucks for 3 yesrs and then all of sudden turns it on and becomes a good player..

Frank has shown zero in 3 years..

and can we stop with dotson is a young player, Portis and Payton are younger than him, randle is the same age, are those 3 considered young players?

People are so obsessed with building the "right way" the right way is getting stars, it is the only way you build a title contender in the nba. Whether is draft, trades or free agency, you dont develop stars, you know a star right away


All this screams is instant gratification. I want production now or you’re trash. You don’t want to rebuild so you shouldn’t even care about this topic.

Ppl like you would have benched Ingram after his rookie year. You would have traded Trae after his horrific first few months. Gimme crumbs now instead of waiting for something to bake. You would have been dying to play scrubs over them.

Congratulations. You’ve found the perfect organization for your ridiculously short term approach.

Let’s see what your takes are if someone who actually wants to rebuild takes charge. Let me see all this outrage when they play the kids through the growing pains. Let me see you defend the instant gratification when the Knicks are not doing it.


Comparing Ingram and Trae to Knox is something...


I’m not comparing them. I’m comparing the approach to kids and going through growing pains.

Stop the straw man arguments.
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Post#206 » by dakomish23 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:02 am

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Growing pains are only worth it if the player shows something worth growing..

No player sucks for 3 yesrs and then all of sudden turns it on and becomes a good player..

Frank has shown zero in 3 years..

and can we stop with dotson is a young player, Portis and Payton are younger than him, randle is the same age, are those 3 considered young players?

People are so obsessed with building the "right way" the right way is getting stars, it is the only way you build a title contender in the nba. Whether is draft, trades or free agency, you dont develop stars, you know a star right away


All this screams is instant gratification. I want production now or you’re trash. You don’t want to rebuild so you shouldn’t even care about this topic.

Ppl like you would have benched Ingram after his rookie year. You would have traded Trae after his horrific first few months. Gimme crumbs now instead of waiting for something to bake. You would have been dying to play scrubs over them.

Congratulations. You’ve found the perfect organization for your ridiculously short term approach.

Let’s see what your takes are if someone who actually wants to rebuild takes charge. Let me see all this outrage when they play the kids through the growing pains. Let me see you defend the instant gratification when the Knicks are not doing it.



Brandon ingram by his 2nd year was 17 and 5 at 47%..

It is not instant gratification, it is about showing somethint on the court, no star player plays like dog **** for 2 or 3 years and then becomes a star..

Continuously playing bad players is not rebuilding, it is not developing, sometimes players just are not very good...


His first year you’d kick him to the curb. You wanted production now and proof they’re some thing to develop now.

Those two I mentioned were bad and by your logic, that’s grounds to ignore their development.

Either you got the stomach for growing pains or you want instant gratification. You don’t have the stomach for option 1.
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Post#207 » by nyknicks8016 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:08 am

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All this screams is instant gratification. I want production now or you’re trash. You don’t want to rebuild so you shouldn’t even care about this topic.

Ppl like you would have benched Ingram after his rookie year. You would have traded Trae after his horrific first few months. Gimme crumbs now instead of waiting for something to bake. You would have been dying to play scrubs over them.

Congratulations. You’ve found the perfect organization for your ridiculously short term approach.

Let’s see what your takes are if someone who actually wants to rebuild takes charge. Let me see all this outrage when they play the kids through the growing pains. Let me see you defend the instant gratification when the Knicks are not doing it.



Brandon ingram by his 2nd year was 17 and 5 at 47%..

It is not instant gratification, it is about showing somethint on the court, no star player plays like dog **** for 2 or 3 years and then becomes a star..

Continuously playing bad players is not rebuilding, it is not developing, sometimes players just are not very good...


His first year you’d kick him to the curb. You wanted production now and proof they’re some thing to develop now.

Those two I mentioned were bad and by your logic, that’s grounds to ignore their development.

Either you got the stomach for growing pains or you want instant gratification. You don’t have the stomach for option 1.



Where did i say get rid of a player in his first year? please show me where i said that and show me where i said to get rid of knox..
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Post#208 » by nyknicks8016 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:10 am

Putting words in my mouth, i said knox should not get more minutes right now because he is struggling, never said get rid of him
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Post#209 » by Capn'O » Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:42 am

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Post#210 » by ChaosHamster » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:22 am

KP with 24/10/5/5

Now when hes pretty much exclusively playing C, he started to got those roll assists, when defense collapses on him in the paint and he just throws it out for an open corner three.

Also had a really nice, but risky bounce pass to Luka: https://streamable.com/uzdm7
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Post#211 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:27 am

ChaosHamster wrote:KP with 24/10/5/5

Now when hes pretty much exclusively playing C, he started to got those roll assists, when defense collapses on him in the paint and he just throws it out for an open corner three.

Also had a really nice, but risky bounce pass to Luka: https://streamable.com/uzdm7

Maxi 10-13 : seems like Dallas aren't any better with KP.

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Post#212 » by dakomish23 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:37 am

ChaosHamster wrote:KP with 24/10/5/5

Now when hes pretty much exclusively playing C, he started to got those roll assists, when defense collapses on him in the paint and he just throws it out for an open corner three.

Also had a really nice, but risky bounce pass to Luka: https://streamable.com/uzdm7


That was a nice pass
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Post#213 » by dakomish23 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:40 am

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ChaosHamster wrote:KP with 24/10/5/5

Now when hes pretty much exclusively playing C, he started to got those roll assists, when defense collapses on him in the paint and he just throws it out for an open corner three.

Also had a really nice, but risky bounce pass to Luka: https://streamable.com/uzdm7

Maxi 10-13 : seems like Dallas aren't any better with KP.

:roll:


The Powell injury allowed Carlisle to shorten the rotation to make it 3 bigs with DFS playing small ball 4. MKG / Boban are time fillers if needed.
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Post#214 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:14 am

Nice move from Melo on Zion
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Post#215 » by god shammgod » Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:41 am

3toheadmelo wrote:Nice move from Melo on Zion


he did. but it hurts watching zion so much. he is a beast. we were there to get him and of course we get f*cked again.
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Post#216 » by Capn'O » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:11 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:Nice move from Melo on Zion


he did. but it hurts watching zion so much. he is a beast. we were there to get him and of course we get f*cked again.


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Post#217 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:08 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:Nice move from Melo on Zion


he did. but it hurts watching zion so much. he is a beast. we were there to get him and of course we get f*cked again.


I don't want to talk about it either. He is everything.

This body can never hold up. No way.
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Post#218 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:00 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Nice move from Melo on Zion


he did. but it hurts watching zion so much. he is a beast. we were there to get him and of course we get f*cked again.

Yeah Zion looks like everything we expected him to be coming out of college. He is a generational prospect. That **** was rigged for the Pelicans to get him just so Lebron can get to play with his buddy AD. That pissed me off. Zion supposed to be a Knick.
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Post#219 » by spree2kawhi » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:37 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:Nice move from Melo on Zion


he did. but it hurts watching zion so much. he is a beast. we were there to get him and of course we get f*cked again.

Yeah Zion looks like everything we expected him to be coming out of college. He is a generational prospect. That **** was rigged for the Pelicans to get him just so Lebron can get to play with his buddy AD. That pissed me off. Zion supposed to be a Knick.

If the NBA was rigged, Zion would play in New York now.
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Post#220 » by Thugger HBC » Sat Feb 22, 2020 4:49 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:
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he did. but it hurts watching zion so much. he is a beast. we were there to get him and of course we get f*cked again.

Yeah Zion looks like everything we expected him to be coming out of college. He is a generational prospect. That **** was rigged for the Pelicans to get him just so Lebron can get to play with his buddy AD. That pissed me off. Zion supposed to be a Knick.

If the NBA was rigged, Zion would play in New York now.

It's happened way too often to be overlooked. A team that loses it's star player tends to get that top pick the following season.

Happened to the Pels twice.
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