2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

[robillionaire]

It’s truly an amazing thing to observe when a country, especially the United States of America, looks to be on the verge of going off a cliff and is in grave threat of becoming an authoritarian state. Only a faint few have recognized what could possibly happen and how bad the situation is and how god awful it could get. I think a lot of people are naive, some just cannot imagine that it could ever happen to their country, not to us, no way. The reality is that this man, with the help of the Republican party, and his propagandist (led by Fox Network) has brought the country to it’s knees and given another 4 years would bring more pain and suffering than anyone can even imagine. The country would never, ever, be able to survive another Trump term in office. Make no mistake, it would be the end of the United States as we’ve known it and the rest of us would suffer the consequences.

I’m uplifted by the number of people voting early, there seems to be a recognition of the severity of the situation. The ideal circumstances would be a landslide to demolish Trumpism and be a total rejection of what we’ve gone through these past four years. I hope and pray that good people will stand up and be counted.

Jethro

Exactly right. People just keep insisting it can't happen here, sleepwalking through a nightmare. But it is happening, every day, it's a rolling fascist coup. A slow change where you won't be able to pinpoint the exact day or moment it happened until you wake up one day and democracy is gone and you're scratching your head in bewilderment wondering how it happened. Even voting out Trump, which no doubt would be a huge win, would only be a very minor temporary setback as they have now packed every court in the country for a lifetime with far right radical judges. The GOP must be abolished. We are looking directly at the darkness that lies at the heart of the experiment and no matter how they try to re-brand it in the coming years, this is what they are. Other nations of the world if there are good ones left must not allow your countries to follow our lead and stand up now.

[robillionaire]

this has never been the case in this country. media projections on election night are not a final total, those are never actually given on election night but some time after

[Pointgod]

this has never been the case in this country. media projections on election night are not a final total, those are never actually given on election night but some time after

Same response I gave to Wingo.

Read this:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielcassady/2020/09/05/election-2020-battleground-states-heres-how-theyll-count-mail-in-ballots/

Read that and realize 2 things:

1. Due to the early vote the Democrats have banked a ton of votes for Biden.
2. If the Democratic in person turn out holds close to the Republican in person turnout then well you get the picture

The good thing is that Democrats can still drive out the vote for Biden and you can help shape that:

https://joebiden.com/take-action/

[stuporman]

They will discard the mail-in votes if they have to. Trump won't be leaving. I'm prepared mentally for it already.

The fact that people are refusing to even consider this when it's happening right in front of our faces is terrifying

What's terrifying is how weak the establishment dems are, they care more about preserving their own power and payday than they do justice and the people so let the GOP do whatever they want only to pose for the cameras acting like they give a crap.

[DOT]

The fact that people are refusing to even consider this when it's happening right in front of our faces is terrifying

What's terrifying is how weak the establishment dems are, they care more about preserving their own power and payday than they do justice and the people so let the GOP do whatever they want only to pose for the cameras acting like they give a crap.

Dems have always been spineless

More devoted to "order" than justice. All these years of "taking the high ground," and what has it gotten us?

An extremely conservative Supreme Court, extensive voter suppression, and Republicans winning the presidency every other cycle despite winning the popular vote one time since 1988.

[stuporman]

The fact that people are refusing to even consider this when it's happening right in front of our faces is terrifying

What's terrifying is how weak the establishment dems are, they care more about preserving their own power and payday than they do justice and the people so let the GOP do whatever they want only to pose for the cameras acting like they give a crap.

Dems have always been spineless

More devoted to "order" than justice. All these years of "taking the high ground," and what has it gotten us?

An extremely conservative Supreme Court, extensive voter suppression, and Republicans winning the presidency every other cycle despite winning the popular vote one time since 1988.

The spinelessness entered into it as soon as they went third way in the 80s selling their soul to the corporate money. Where the traditional corporate party of the GOP also has solidarity around their intolerance and corruption on the other side the Dems just seem happy to get their slice of the pie without putting up much resistance to the hegemony.

The religious right has been laying the groundwork to have a legal basis to discriminate against whoever they want hiding behind 1A religious freedom while also enjoying the 1A protection of not being discriminated against. Now with the courts stacked all the way down with their theocratic activist judges the country will become literally dangerous to anyone who isn't part of their 'in group'.

[omerome]

The fact that people are refusing to even consider this when it's happening right in front of our faces is terrifying

What's terrifying is how weak the establishment dems are, they care more about preserving their own power and payday than they do justice and the people so let the GOP do whatever they want only to pose for the cameras acting like they give a crap.

Dems have always been spineless

More devoted to "order" than justice. All these years of "taking the high ground," and what has it gotten us?

An extremely conservative Supreme Court, extensive voter suppression, and Republicans winning the presidency every other cycle despite winning the popular vote one time since 1988.

Yup. But in small steps, we can slowly reshape the Democratic party with people who actually give a crap. Katie Porter is one of my favorite congresswomen because when she brings out that whiteboard, it's about to go down. And I do love how AOC really gets under the skin of the GOP. She's like their boogey(wo)man.

The problem is finding ways to replace the Manchins, the Feinsteins, and the Schumers with people who have a backbone though. Hopefully, with more high turnouts, the message will be clear that the old ways of doing things are no longer acceptable.

Ultimately though, I would absolutely love if Elizabeth Warren became the Senator Majority Leader. She imo would be perfect for the role because she won't take crap from anyone.

[Pointgod]

The fact that people are refusing to even consider this when it's happening right in front of our faces is terrifying

What's terrifying is how weak the establishment dems are, they care more about preserving their own power and payday than they do justice and the people so let the GOP do whatever they want only to pose for the cameras acting like they give a crap.

Okay give me 3 legitimate things the Dems could have done when they’re not in power. Go!

[DOT]

What's terrifying is how weak the establishment dems are, they care more about preserving their own power and payday than they do justice and the people so let the GOP do whatever they want only to pose for the cameras acting like they give a crap.

Dems have always been spineless

More devoted to "order" than justice. All these years of "taking the high ground," and what has it gotten us?

An extremely conservative Supreme Court, extensive voter suppression, and Republicans winning the presidency every other cycle despite winning the popular vote one time since 1988.

Yup. But in small steps, we can slowly reshape the Democratic party with people who actually give a crap. Katie Porter is one of my favorite congresswomen because when she brings out that whiteboard, it's about to go down. And I do love how AOC really gets under the skin of the GOP. She's like their boogey(wo)man.

The problem is finding ways to replace the Manchins, the Feinsteins, and the Schumers with people who have a backbone though. Hopefully, with more high turnouts, the message will be clear that the old ways of doing things are no longer acceptable.

Ultimately though, I would absolutely love if Elizabeth Warren became the Senator Majority Leader. She imo would be perfect for the role because she won't take crap from anyone.

Not that big of a problem to find a way, it's about getting people to realize it

Elect people on the small scale, local level

State level elections are so important to your day to day lives as well as potential future national level politicians, but people don't care enough about them. I get it, it's a lot to pay attention to, but if we want to get to where we need to get to, that's where the change needs to start

And in safe blue districts, elect people who don't give a sh*t about how the Republicans feel, like AOC. I fear though that the high turnout this year is just gonna validate the idea that Dems need to be bland, uncontroversial moderates, which only works when the Republican candidate is clearly awful or we're coming off a disaster, like with Bush in 08. You already see the moderates online mocking progressives for not getting out to support Bernie, and saying that progressives are unpopular and will never win. Now that we have no choice but to vote with them, they drop the pretense of caring about our opinions.

[stuporman]

The fact that people are refusing to even consider this when it's happening right in front of our faces is terrifying

What's terrifying is how weak the establishment dems are, they care more about preserving their own power and payday than they do justice and the people so let the GOP do whatever they want only to pose for the cameras acting like they give a crap.

Okay give me 3 legitimate things the Dems could have done when they’re not in power. Go!

Nice.... you think this one situation proves your point as if it isn't consistent behavior over decades that this situation is just another example of.

Oh, the Dems could have blocked it until after the election with a lower committee vote one day when they had the temporary advantage because of some missing members but they didn't because they are spineless and soulless....well, they are just 'less' in every way possible.

Shumer came out all mealy mouthed making some wishy washy statement instead because that's all the dem leadership seems to be able to do. Stopping it until after the election was the only chance to block it completely and they shrunk away from the moment.

I really do hope the progressives will take over the dem party because if they don't this country will continue to be turned into a right wing fascist police state.

[robillionaire]

What's terrifying is how weak the establishment dems are, they care more about preserving their own power and payday than they do justice and the people so let the GOP do whatever they want only to pose for the cameras acting like they give a crap.

Okay give me 3 legitimate things the Dems could have done when they’re not in power. Go!

Nice.... you think this one situation proves your point as if it isn't consistent behavior over decades that this situation is just another example of.

Oh, the Dems could have blocked it until after the election with a lower committee vote one day when they had the temporary advantage because of some missing members but they didn't because they are spineless and soulless....well, they are just 'less' in every way possible.

Shumer came out all mealy mouthed making some wishy washy statement instead because that's all the dem leadership seems to be able to do.

I really do hope the progressives will take over the dem party because if they don't this country will continue to be turned into a right wing fascist police state.

30 years or more of failed leadership. This is not the voters fault. If they don’t support court expansion primary them and vote them out for someone else who will. If they won’t fight back get them out.

[stuporman]

Okay give me 3 legitimate things the Dems could have done when they’re not in power. Go!

Nice.... you think this one situation proves your point as if it isn't consistent behavior over decades that this situation is just another example of.

Oh, the Dems could have blocked it until after the election with a lower committee vote one day when they had the temporary advantage because of some missing members but they didn't because they are spineless and soulless....well, they are just 'less' in every way possible.

Shumer came out all mealy mouthed making some wishy washy statement instead because that's all the dem leadership seems to be able to do.

I really do hope the progressives will take over the dem party because if they don't this country will continue to be turned into a right wing fascist police state.

30 years or more of failed leadership. This is not the voters fault. If they don’t support court expansion primary them and vote them out for someone else who will. If they won’t fight back get them out.

I hope that this is what happens but I have little faith in the center part of the democratic voter base, they are too easily fooled by the dem establishment into voting against their best interests. Just look at the past two presidential primaries, they vote scared to lose and this isn't a successful strategy.

The right is built and based upon hostile intolerance of anyone who isn't them and it takes an equally strong resistance to this force to match it and even more strength to overcome it. I don't know if the centrist part of the dem base has the mettle to do it, the left can't do it alone unfortunately.

[robillionaire]

Nice.... you think this one situation proves your point as if it isn't consistent behavior over decades that this situation is just another example of.

Oh, the Dems could have blocked it until after the election with a lower committee vote one day when they had the temporary advantage because of some missing members but they didn't because they are spineless and soulless....well, they are just 'less' in every way possible.

Shumer came out all mealy mouthed making some wishy washy statement instead because that's all the dem leadership seems to be able to do.

I really do hope the progressives will take over the dem party because if they don't this country will continue to be turned into a right wing fascist police state.

30 years or more of failed leadership. This is not the voters fault. If they don’t support court expansion primary them and vote them out for someone else who will. If they won’t fight back get them out.

I hope that this is what happens but I have little faith in the center part of the democratic voter base, they are too easily fooled by the dem establishment into voting against their best interests. Just look at the past two presidential primaries, they vote scared to lose and this isn't a successful strategy.

The right is built and based upon hostile intolerance of anyone who isn't them and it takes an equally strong resistance to this force to match it and even more strength to overcome it. I don't know if the centrist part of the dem base has the mettle to do it, the left can't do it alone unfortunately.

At some point during the march to hell they too will get terrified enough to fight back. It’s not just hurting poor people anymore

[stuporman]

30 years or more of failed leadership. This is not the voters fault. If they don’t support court expansion primary them and vote them out for someone else who will. If they won’t fight back get them out.

I hope that this is what happens but I have little faith in the center part of the democratic voter base, they are too easily fooled by the dem establishment into voting against their best interests. Just look at the past two presidential primaries, they vote scared to lose and this isn't a successful strategy.

The right is built and based upon hostile intolerance of anyone who isn't them and it takes an equally strong resistance to this force to match it and even more strength to overcome it. I don't know if the centrist part of the dem base has the mettle to do it, the left can't do it alone unfortunately.

At some point during the march to hell they too will get terrified enough to fight back. It’s not just hurting poor people anymore

The problem is the establishment within the party and media lies to them about what the problem is and who is perpetrating it which isn't much different than what is happening on the right, too.

The average person doesn't have the time or inclination to get to the heart of the real issues, they are too easily swayed by sound bite talking points and easy targets for the blame so the leaders of both parties and the media from those respective camps give it to them even if it's completely wrong.

[HarthorneWingo]

Read on Twitter

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[robillionaire]

Read on Twitter

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They will be more than happy to reap the benefits of this court their party has installed as soon as this grift is over

[HarthorneWingo]

Martha McSally is making it a tough race in Arizona. The polls listen on 538 shows her with a lead.

Real Clear Politics shows Kelly with the lead.

[HarthorneWingo]

Read on Twitter

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They will be more than happy to reap the benefits of this court their party has installed as soon as this grift is over

I’m very fearful. Follow Lawrence Tribe on Twitter as it relates to this. He’s a long time Harvard Law school professor and the leading Constitutional scholar in the country.

[Clyde_Style]

What's terrifying is how weak the establishment dems are, they care more about preserving their own power and payday than they do justice and the people so let the GOP do whatever they want only to pose for the cameras acting like they give a crap.

Okay give me 3 legitimate things the Dems could have done when they’re not in power. Go!

Nice.... you think this one situation proves your point as if it isn't consistent behavior over decades that this situation is just another example of.

Oh, the Dems could have blocked it until after the election with a lower committee vote one day when they had the temporary advantage because of some missing members but they didn't because they are spineless and soulless....well, they are just 'less' in every way possible.

Shumer came out all mealy mouthed making some wishy washy statement instead because that's all the dem leadership seems to be able to do. Stopping it until after the election was the only chance to block it completely and they shrunk away from the moment.

I really do hope the progressives will take over the dem party because if they don't this country will continue to be turned into a right wing fascist police state.

You guys are all in a circle jerk right now talking out of your asses

The Dems were never going to be able to stop Barrett's nomination

If you are really that desperate to vent, at least don't pretend you're telling the truth

https://www.justsecurity.org/72521/senate-procedures-offer-no-hope-for-dems-on-supreme-court-nominee/

Once they move to a vote in committee, under the existing rules for a quorum: “Seven Members of the Committee, actually present, shall constitute a quorum for the purpose of discussing business. Nine Members of the Committee, including at least two Members of the minority, shall constitute a quorum for the purpose of transacting business.” But lest you think this gives Democrats a sure fire way to block this nomination, Senate Judiciary Committee rules are easily ignored by the Chair, who would simply gavel past the minority participation as a requirement for a quorum.

[GONYK]

Martha McSally is making it a tough race in Arizona. The polls listen on 538 shows her with a lead.

Real Clear Politics shows Kelly with the lead.

538 says Kelly is an 80% chance to win the seat.

I'm not sure that is a "tough race"