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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#201 » by K_ick_God » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:51 pm

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E-Balla wrote:Horrible pick but not because of Obi. Just what it represents. The Knicks refuse to address the elephant in the room which is their PG. Look at the team last year when Elf got healthy. How can we expect Mitch, RJ, and now Obi to even develop when there's no PG on the roster?

And I just know this pick means Westbrook is ok the way here to fill that void but I hope I'm wrong.


I take it you're not a fellow VanVleet Plan backer?

Haliburton was right there... Like he's a perfect fit next to RJ, someone that doesn't need the ball, can shoot, can pass, and is a hound on defense.


Can trade for him if need be.
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#202 » by NotDikembeSayNo » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:51 pm

To all the people with their panties in a bunch that we went Obi over Haliburton... read the tea leaves. We have close to $40 mil to spend, FVV admittedly is just looking for a payday, one team that was going to be after him traded for CP3, another drafted Killian Hayes. It couldn't be more obvious that FVV is a "plan A" that is probably more confirmed behind the scenes than it seems to be in public.

Would I have preferred Haliburton? Probably. But let's get real, this draft is as much of a crapshoot as any draft we've ever seen. I'm not going to get mad that we went with a kid who has top 5 talent that is probably ready to play ASAP. When you pick 8th, you're going to be picking someone with red flags. How is Obi any different?
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#203 » by robillionaire » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:56 pm

I think we make this pick if we are picking 4th. So it makes falling to 6th and then to 8th in the lottery a little less painful.
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#204 » by BugginOut » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:06 pm

Obi really needs to work on his legs though. My man has been skipping leg day consistently. He's built like Larry the Lobster
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#205 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:11 pm

How does he work with Mitch? The Mitch diehards on here need to answer this question, because we can't have Obi only being used as a floor spacer to accommodate Mitch's need to be in the paint, Obi was drafted because of his offense and to maximize that he needs to be able to use his full range of skills from PnR, to post ups to faceups. If the idea is to have him parked outside the 3 point line on every play then this is a wasted pick, if we're going to allow him to play like he did at Dayton then Mitch is going to need to be able to shoot at some point to help spacing.

I don't think Obi is a smallball 5 right now either, he's just not strong enough or heavy enough, so how he works with Mitch will decide what happens with Mitch.
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#206 » by Ray Williams » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:15 pm

jstudabaka wrote:Obi Top, real name, no gimmicks.

Obi Wan JAM-OBIIIII!

Yeah, whatever, at least he has an epic baller name


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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#207 » by GONYK » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:16 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:How does he work with Mitch? The Mitch diehards on here need to answer this question, because we can't have Obi only being used as a floor spacer to accommodate Mitch's need to be in the paint, Obi was drafted because of his offense and to maximize that he needs to be able to use his full range of skills from PnR, to post ups to faceups. If the idea is to have him parked outside the 3 point line on every play then this is a wasted pick, if we're going to allow him to play like he did at Dayton then Mitch is going to need to be able to shoot at some point to help spacing.

I don't think Obi is a smallball 5 right now either, he's just not strong enough or heavy enough, so how he works with Mitch will decide what happens with Mitch.


The short answer is he doesn't
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#208 » by WargamesX » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:20 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:How does he work with Mitch? The Mitch diehards on here need to answer this question, because we can't have Obi only being used as a floor spacer to accommodate Mitch's need to be in the paint, Obi was drafted because of his offense and to maximize that he needs to be able to use his full range of skills from PnR, to post ups to faceups. If the idea is to have him parked outside the 3 point line on every play then this is a wasted pick, if we're going to allow him to play like he did at Dayton then Mitch is going to need to be able to shoot at some point to help spacing.

I don't think Obi is a smallball 5 right now either, he's just not strong enough or heavy enough, so how he works with Mitch will decide what happens with Mitch.


The short answer is he doesn't


At 6’9 he is a PF. He can work with Mitch, Thibs has ran offenses before with scoring bigs and garbage man bigs. As long as Mitch can shoot from about 12 feet out I think it works.
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#209 » by WargamesX » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:22 pm

NotDikembeSayNo wrote:To all the people with their panties in a bunch that we went Obi over Haliburton... read the tea leaves. We have close to $40 mil to spend, FVV admittedly is just looking for a payday, one team that was going to be after him traded for CP3, another drafted Killian Hayes. It couldn't be more obvious that FVV is a "plan A" that is probably more confirmed behind the scenes than it seems to be in public.

Would I have preferred Haliburton? Probably. But let's get real, this draft is as much of a crapshoot as any draft we've ever seen. I'm not going to get mad that we went with a kid who has top 5 talent that is probably ready to play ASAP. When you pick 8th, you're going to be picking someone with red flags. How is Obi any different?


Halliburton is a off guard. Sooooo yeah I think your better argument would be we have Frank for that.....
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Post#210 » by Newyorknick94 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:23 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:How does he work with Mitch? The Mitch diehards on here need to answer this question, because we can't have Obi only being used as a floor spacer to accommodate Mitch's need to be in the paint, Obi was drafted because of his offense and to maximize that he needs to be able to use his full range of skills from PnR, to post ups to faceups. If the idea is to have him parked outside the 3 point line on every play then this is a wasted pick, if we're going to allow him to play like he did at Dayton then Mitch is going to need to be able to shoot at some point to help spacing.

I don't think Obi is a smallball 5 right now either, he's just not strong enough or heavy enough, so how he works with Mitch will decide what happens with Mitch.

Mitch has been working on his jumper and will be there for outback’s and rebounds I think they will fit fine Mitch is usually in foul trouble anyway so who know how much time they’ll actually play together Randle is the bigger issue we can’t play obi and randle together that defense might be worse than randle/Portis I think the knicks should trade randle for whatever and don’t pick up Portis option and the team would be a lot more balanced I’d even keep taj for vet leadership off the bench.
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#211 » by Ray Williams » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:23 pm

Juco24 wrote:Plus he's a good passer.


He could play from the top of the key like Parish did for Boston.
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Post#212 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:24 pm

Somehow Kenny Payne, a guy no one here had even heard of 6 months ago, is gonna have a Greg Popovich level impact on guys and turn them into good defenders.

Sure.

Maybe, just maybe, the Knicks simply made another blunder by drafting a big who can neither defend in space nor protect the rim.

I guess David Lee, Amar'e Stoudemire, Andrea Bargnani, Enes Kanter and Julius Randle weren't enough. Maybe we just needed one more to notice the pattern and get that this archetype doesn't contribute much to winning.
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#213 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:25 pm

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Juco24 wrote:Plus he's a good passer.


He could play from the top of the key like Parish did for Boston.

Parrish played in the 80s.

The game has changed. Knicks still haven't figured that out.
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#214 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:26 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:How does he work with Mitch? The Mitch diehards on here need to answer this question, because we can't have Obi only being used as a floor spacer to accommodate Mitch's need to be in the paint, Obi was drafted because of his offense and to maximize that he needs to be able to use his full range of skills from PnR, to post ups to faceups. If the idea is to have him parked outside the 3 point line on every play then this is a wasted pick, if we're going to allow him to play like he did at Dayton then Mitch is going to need to be able to shoot at some point to help spacing.

I don't think Obi is a smallball 5 right now either, he's just not strong enough or heavy enough, so how he works with Mitch will decide what happens with Mitch.


The short answer is he doesn't


At 6’9 he is a PF. He can work with Mitch, Thibs has ran offenses before with scoring bigs and garbage man bigs. As long as Mitch can shoot from about 12 feet out I think it works.



The Sixers offense didn't work with Embiid and Horford, both of them could shoot the 3 and hit mid range shots. Which offenses have worked that use two bigs for the type of minutes Obi and Mitch are expected to play? The Lakers played AD at center 40% of the time, while McGee and Howard each played less than 19mpg.
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#215 » by Ray Williams » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:29 pm

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Juco24 wrote:Plus he's a good passer.


He could play from the top of the key like Parish did for Boston.

Parrish played in the 80s.

The game has changed. Knicks still haven't figured that out.


How about Marc Gasol? If you’re a big man that can pass and shoot, you can play with a rim runner.
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#216 » by GONYK » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:29 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:How does he work with Mitch? The Mitch diehards on here need to answer this question, because we can't have Obi only being used as a floor spacer to accommodate Mitch's need to be in the paint, Obi was drafted because of his offense and to maximize that he needs to be able to use his full range of skills from PnR, to post ups to faceups. If the idea is to have him parked outside the 3 point line on every play then this is a wasted pick, if we're going to allow him to play like he did at Dayton then Mitch is going to need to be able to shoot at some point to help spacing.

I don't think Obi is a smallball 5 right now either, he's just not strong enough or heavy enough, so how he works with Mitch will decide what happens with Mitch.


The short answer is he doesn't


At 6’9 he is a PF. He can work with Mitch, Thibs has ran offenses before with scoring bigs and garbage man bigs. As long as Mitch can shoot from about 12 feet out I think it works.


I'm not really interested in wishing.

Based on the skills we know the players to have right now, it doesn't work.

That's not a criticism of either player as individuals. Just the fit.
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Post#217 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:30 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:How does he work with Mitch? The Mitch diehards on here need to answer this question, because we can't have Obi only being used as a floor spacer to accommodate Mitch's need to be in the paint, Obi was drafted because of his offense and to maximize that he needs to be able to use his full range of skills from PnR, to post ups to faceups. If the idea is to have him parked outside the 3 point line on every play then this is a wasted pick, if we're going to allow him to play like he did at Dayton then Mitch is going to need to be able to shoot at some point to help spacing.

I don't think Obi is a smallball 5 right now either, he's just not strong enough or heavy enough, so how he works with Mitch will decide what happens with Mitch.

Mitch has been working on his jumper and will be there for outback’s and rebounds I think they will fit fine Mitch is usually in foul trouble anyway so who know how much time they’ll actually play together Randle is the bigger issue we can’t play obi and randle together that defense might be worse than randle/Portis I think the knicks should trade randle for whatever and don’t pick up Portis option and the team would be a lot more balanced I’d even keep taj for vet leadership off the bench.


Whether he's working on it or not, he has to be able to make them at a high rate, or else you'll see a minutes distribution similar to the Lakers where they don't spend that much time on the floor together. Just look at how Obi scored, and while he shot a nice percentage from three it wasn't on a high volume, so we can't just expect him to space the floor right away.

No modern offense has two interior big men now, not a single one.
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#218 » by AmaresKnees » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:31 pm

BugginOut wrote:Obi really needs to work on his legs though. My man has been skipping leg day consistently. He's built like Larry the Lobster


LOL someone pull up the picture of Tyson Chandler in shorts up real quick
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Post#219 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:40 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:How does he work with Mitch? The Mitch diehards on here need to answer this question, because we can't have Obi only being used as a floor spacer to accommodate Mitch's need to be in the paint, Obi was drafted because of his offense and to maximize that he needs to be able to use his full range of skills from PnR, to post ups to faceups. If the idea is to have him parked outside the 3 point line on every play then this is a wasted pick, if we're going to allow him to play like he did at Dayton then Mitch is going to need to be able to shoot at some point to help spacing.

I don't think Obi is a smallball 5 right now either, he's just not strong enough or heavy enough, so how he works with Mitch will decide what happens with Mitch.

Randle still had his post ups and face up jumpers next to Mitch. I think Obi will be fine imo
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Re: Obi Toppin to the Knicks @ #8 

Post#220 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:45 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:How does he work with Mitch? The Mitch diehards on here need to answer this question, because we can't have Obi only being used as a floor spacer to accommodate Mitch's need to be in the paint, Obi was drafted because of his offense and to maximize that he needs to be able to use his full range of skills from PnR, to post ups to faceups. If the idea is to have him parked outside the 3 point line on every play then this is a wasted pick, if we're going to allow him to play like he did at Dayton then Mitch is going to need to be able to shoot at some point to help spacing.

I don't think Obi is a smallball 5 right now either, he's just not strong enough or heavy enough, so how he works with Mitch will decide what happens with Mitch.

Randle still had his post ups and face up jumpers next to Mitch. I think Obi will be fine imo



Those were meaningless games though, think about what that offense would look like in the playoffs. If our ultimate goal is to contend then both of them are going to need to be able to shoot.

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