PG: Clippers at Knicks

[K_ick_God]

Still not sure about Randle but he deserves All Star Game.

[DowNY]

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Culture is changing folks!!!!!

The culture is changing!!!!!!

glad that the culture has finally changed

...but I still don't see us landing a star FA b/c there aren't any (don't count Dipo as a star)

Kawhi

[knickstape4ever]

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Culture is changing folks!!!!!

The culture is changing!!!!!!

glad that the culture has finally changed

...but I still don't see us landing a star FA b/c there aren't any (don't count Dipo as a star)

Kawhi

he's not coming here/not leaving LA

[HighRyzer83]

Considering how deep this draft is and we have multiple picks, would y'all be opposed to trading both picks for #1 to grab Cade?

[DowNY]

IQ will never be a PG he's your 6th man spark of the bench type player.

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I think in today's game, a true PG isn't as necessary when you have wings and forwards who are capable ball handlers

But those combo guards like murray can pass better then IQ.

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He’s a rookie....

[Phish Tank]

Few things:

1) Knicks had a chance to keep this game close, but Thibs tried to buy a few too many mins with the 2nd unit. Bad decision.
2) Ibaka burned Mitch with some late 3s. Think Mitch had a hard time.
3) I'd have preferred to see a small ball 5 lineup instead of Taj. Taj looks cooked, but sadly looks like a more competent rebounder than Noel and Mitch at times
4) Rivers/Burks together is a bit awkward and funny to watch. A too many ballhandlers issue.
5) I'd have gone with Knox to stretch the floor a bit more
6) This was a blessing for the Clippers more than anything.

[SelbyCobra]

I think in today's game, a true PG isn't as necessary when you have wings and forwards who are capable ball handlers

But those combo guards like murray can pass better then IQ.

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it doesn't matter as much if your PG is playing more off-ball w/ wings and forwards who are capable running the point. + IQ is doing well as a P&R ball-handler (73rd percentile entering today)

Wait, why would you concede the point that Jamal Murray is a better passer than Quickley?

[thebuzzardman]

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Culture is changing folks!!!!!

The culture is changing!!!!!!

THE Billy Hoyle (tm)

[Oscirus]

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eh, thats generic praise. Im fine with it cuz opponents dont need to be gushing, but still

[Ray Williams]

look at this **** man, WIDE OPEN ... it's been a thing all season long.

FREE OBI.

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thats painful, you see this dude wide open just give up when he sees whats happening

That was RJ last year

[F N 11]

Can’t trust Payton, Reggie, Burk, Knox, and Rivers. Need real role players.

[BugginOut]

IQ will never be a PG he's your 6th man spark of the bench type player.

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I think in today's game, a true PG isn't as necessary when you have wings and forwards who are capable ball handlers

But those combo guards like murray can pass better then IQ.

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That's just false. Quickley is posting a higher assist % than Murray has ever done in his career. He also has a lower turnover % while having a higher usage. He's also averaging 5 assist per 36 minutes.

He's a scorer first but he is a great playmaker, that also does not turn the ball over.

[knickstape4ever]

But those combo guards like murray can pass better then IQ.

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it doesn't matter as much if your PG is playing more off-ball w/ wings and forwards who are capable running the point. + IQ is doing well as a P&R ball-handler (73rd percentile entering today)

Wait, why would you concede the point that Jamal Murray is a better passer than Quickley?

b/c he is

Murray is a better, more creative passer and can live dribble pass, which is something we haven't seen from IQ

[thebuzzardman]

Considering how deep this draft is and we have multiple picks, would y'all be opposed to trading both picks for #1 to grab Cade?

I thought this the other day, so good post

I think that it's a "it depends" on what each pick is - I mean, 3 and 8 - I think there are two really good players there, the guy at 3 might be Suggs or Kuminga and I probably wouldn't, since all 3 are close enough and then 8 is still good in this deep draft.


But at 5 and 10? I begin to think about it

6 and 11? Yup.

[F N 11]

Replace Payton with someone but keep IQ coming off the bench. He'd just be a spot-up shooter in the starting lineup. Let him get his reps on ball for a bit.

Or he can open it up for RJ and Randle being a consistent threat. But I get it.

[NewYorkPride85]

I wouldn't complain about signing one either...that Gary Trent Jr kid, for example

Cade, Kuminga and Trent?

My heart would explode.

Dream off season.

1000%

also a huge Jalen Green and think he's a future star

Cade
IQ
RJ
Kuminga
Mitch

Trent as 6th man

and yes, I have Kuminga as the starting 4. defensive versatility and shooting. I wanna play w/ a stretch-4 (like Utah) and he's more so than Randle or Obi

That why they have him either 3rd or 4th best prospect because he has the capability to play both. ESPN has Kuminga as a PF. That lineup is sick though. The flexibility will be such a boon. Cade can play 1 or 2. IQ can play 1 or 2, RJ can play 2 or 3, and Kuminga can play 3 or 4. Hell, even if we kept Randle he can play the 4 or the 5 in spurts. Would be a coach's blessing and a curse because of the flexibility afforded and the high number of possible lineup combination at his disposal.

[dakomish23]

I agree. We need to involve Obi more in the offense but he also needs to set better picks, which will get better in time. He really doesn't seem ready yet but I think he'll get there, hopefully by the end of the year he starts putting up numbers.

every time the knicks get the rebound obi is sprinting down the court, beating everyone, and calling for a pass but never gets the ball.

today he literally showed up rivers because he missed him.

And you know Thibs wants that transition bucket. They need to do it. Open floor is when Obi is unlocked too.

I know it will hurt the defense, but I’d love to see them go with a small ball unit with Obi at C.

Maybe

IQ
Rivers
Burks
Knox
Obi

Just get out and run off everything. A ton of spacing and PnR with Obi plus he can step out and stretch when someone else drives.

It would be fine as is if these backup C would get out of the way but they stay camped in the lane and are always used as the roll guy even though they can’t do anything with it if they got it

[knickstape4ever]

I think in today's game, a true PG isn't as necessary when you have wings and forwards who are capable ball handlers

But those combo guards like murray can pass better then IQ.

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That's just false. Quickley is posting a higher assist % than Murray has ever done in his career. He also has a lower turnover % while having a higher usage. He's also averaging 5 assist per 36 minutes.

He's a scorer first but he is a great playmaker, that also does not turn the ball over.

those stats are very misleading

1) Murray plays off-ball a lot w/ Jokic as the primary initiator, whereas IQ plays more on-ball (IQ's usage higher than any season of Murray)

2) IQ has a better AST/TO ratio than Trae Young....doesn't mean he's a better passer than Trae Young

passing is more than just the #'s

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check out this vid. Murray makes some creative passes that we just haven't seen from IQ

[booyaka_jones]

IQ will never be a PG he's your 6th man spark of the bench type player.

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This is total nonsense. Neither you nor I know what this kid can be with continued play time and experience. He’s a scorer first and foremost cuz he plays with the 2nd unit? That’s literally his job in the 2nd unit because no one else on the bench can score or dribble penetrate like he can. You notice how he slows down the shot attempts and moves the ball around more when he stays out with the starters? Right now he’s not being asked to facilitate. He’s being asked to provide scoring off the bench. At least let the kid play with the starters for extended periods of time to see whether he can play your more traditional pg role.

Speaking of, this idea of a traditional PG is outdated. The best PGs on the league are shoot first combo guards. A lot of us are old heads so we still have the old floor general trope stuck in our heads and we have fond memories of guys like Charlie Ward but, those days are gone. You need PGs now that attack and shoot. The rest of the game opens up for everyone else in the lineup when you have that.

[knickstape4ever]

every time the knicks get the rebound obi is sprinting down the court, beating everyone, and calling for a pass but never gets the ball.

today he literally showed up rivers because he missed him.

And you know Thibs wants that transition bucket. They need to do it. Open floor is when Obi is unlocked too.

I know it will hurt the defense, but I’d love to see them go with a small ball unit with Obi at C.

Maybe

IQ
Rivers
Burks
Knox
Obi

Just get out and run off everything. A ton of spacing and PnR with Obi plus he can step out and stretch when someone else drives.

It would be fine as is if these backup C would get out of the way but they stay camped in the lane and are always used as the roll guy even though they can’t do anything with it if they got it

I'm good w/o seeing Obi at C. they'd get killed defensively

having good rim protection is what has largely fueled this team playing above expectations