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Post#201 » by ENYK » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:06 pm

N8isScofield wrote:I know we're desperate and thirsty and I love Dame's heart and game as much as anyone but this dude would be 5 years older than Melo was when we traded for him with less of a playoff resume. Like did we learn nothing the last time? Even if we got Kawhi too, dude has looked extremely average for 2 years. We'd be worse depth wise than the Clippers are with the same caliber of pieces. So we gut the team to advance maybe 1 more round where any of Milwaukee, Philly or most assuredly Brooklyn knock us out? What does that accomplish? Dame is great but this is not like trading for LeBron or even Kawhi from 2 years ago. It's an absolutely terrible idea to sink all of the assets we have into a Lillard deal when the price would probably be enough to get someone like LaVine. I just don't get it.


If a team has the opportunity to put a Dame-Kawhi team together they have to do it from a pure "small chance you win the title" perspective. If you don't at least go for that, and another team pulls it off, you lose your job as a GM.

I agree that it probably doesn't equal a title. You'd need someone on the Nets to get hurt basically for that team to come out of the East and the window is short-3 years tops.

Fortunately, I don't think the Knicks will even be considered by Portland as a trade partner or Kawhi as a FA destination.

I'll honestly be happy if we stand pat with the cap space or sell high on Randle. But I fully expect a knee jerk Lonzo signing.
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Post#202 » by god shammgod » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:06 pm

this is really about whether you believe 3 or d rj is anything special. the same way back in the day people thought gallo and wilson chandler might be special. i see a pattern emerging.
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Post#203 » by waya » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:09 pm

Not that I'm pro-trade or anything, but why are multiple people getting his age wrong?
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Post#204 » by ENYK » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:14 pm

god shammgod wrote:this is really about whether you believe 3 or d rj is anything special. the same way back in the day people thought gallo and wilson chandler might be special. i see a pattern emerging.


That's really the problem with this team getting so much publicity despite being objectively bad-to-mediocre.

If they are coached to another good regular season and RJ maintains his current level of inefficient production, just because he plays here and is regarded as a "second star" whatever the hell that means, he'll be hard to keep as a RFA or we will be forced to overpay.

The best possible scenario is that the Knicks fade into obscurity the next two seasons, RJ improves quietly, and we get to keep him as a bargain building block two years from now. That's basically what happened with Khris Middletown in Milwaukee (RJ clearly has a way to go to get to that level).

Even if we're building long-term, it's nice to have a few solid pieces in place to play alongside splashy FA signings. A true 3 and D guy is a benefit to any team.
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Post#205 » by JBreezeNY » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:23 pm

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holding onto those ASSETS has worked out really well for the celtics.

Ah yes bringing up a different team who’s actually been to the ECF recently & has a legit star on their roster :lol:


Got it holding onto your assest hurts your team if they've been successful and if they have a legit star. lol

Never said that at all :lol:

You the one bringing up different teams when our situation is our situation and they’re more successful than us.

Let’s crawl before we walk instead of trying to compare to the Celtics :lol:
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Post#206 » by Oscirus » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:26 pm

god shammgod wrote:this is really about whether you believe 3 or d rj is anything special. the same way back in the day people thought gallo and wilson chandler might be special. i see a pattern emerging.

Who was against trading gallo, wilson or both for melo back in the day? I keep hearing how trading for a player that doesnt play defense and signing another player that needs load management onto a team with a defense first coach who doesnt believe in breaks is a good thing. In what world is that a good thing? We saw in minnesota what happens when you give thibs the wrong personnel

Honestly at this point it aint even about rj, its about the fact that we haven't re-signed a rookie since Charlie **** Ward. I've never seen so many people willing to repeat the mistakes of the past while expecting something different. It would be one thing if we were consistently in the playoffs but we're perennially tanking so such a stat is ridiculous. If we didnt trust the staff that we had to develop our players, why did we hire developmental assistants?
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Post#207 » by AusKnicksTape » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:29 pm

I’m a huge Dame fan but this just isn’t it for the Knicks IMO.

If you’re throwing the kitchen sink at someone I’d much rather wait see how things pan out in Utah the next two years and then go hard for Donovan Mitchell.

In a dream world where Portland choose picks over players and took Randle plus our chest of picks - is there any chance that Lillard, Beal, RJ, Obi and Mitch could be the starting lineup next season? Or would we be capped out?
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Post#208 » by seren » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:32 pm

ENYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:this is really about whether you believe 3 or d rj is anything special. the same way back in the day people thought gallo and wilson chandler might be special. i see a pattern emerging.


That's really the problem with this team getting so much publicity despite being objectively bad-to-mediocre.

If they are coached to another good regular season and RJ maintains his current level of inefficient production, just because he plays here and is regarded as a "second star" whatever the hell that means, he'll be hard to keep as a RFA or we will be forced to overpay.

The best possible scenario is that the Knicks fade into obscurity the next two seasons, RJ improves quietly, and we get to keep him as a bargain building block two years from now. That's basically what happened with Khris Middletown in Milwaukee (RJ clearly has a way to go to get to that level).

Even if we're building long-term, it's nice to have a few solid pieces in place to play alongside splashy FA signings. A true 3 and D guy is a benefit to any team.


Middleton is a very very good player who is an asset on his current contract so I am not sure I understand this comparison.
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Post#209 » by AusKnicksTape » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:32 pm

Oh my bad for some reason I thought Beal was FA this off-season. Disregard earlier comment!
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Post#210 » by TheGreenArrow » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:35 pm

It funny going through this thread and seeing how many people are doubting WWW Connections!!!!!!
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Post#211 » by AusKnicksTape » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:36 pm

Look I just want to keep Quickley and RJ.

After that I’m not fussed if you bounce anyone else.
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Post#212 » by Oscirus » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:37 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:It funny going through this thread and seeing how many people are doubting WWW Connections!!!!!!

When www is able to convince someone to sign here on the cheap, then I'll give him props for connections
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Post#213 » by ENYK » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:38 pm

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ENYK wrote:
god shammgod wrote:this is really about whether you believe 3 or d rj is anything special. the same way back in the day people thought gallo and wilson chandler might be special. i see a pattern emerging.


That's really the problem with this team getting so much publicity despite being objectively bad-to-mediocre.

If they are coached to another good regular season and RJ maintains his current level of inefficient production, just because he plays here and is regarded as a "second star" whatever the hell that means, he'll be hard to keep as a RFA or we will be forced to overpay.

The best possible scenario is that the Knicks fade into obscurity the next two seasons, RJ improves quietly, and we get to keep him as a bargain building block two years from now. That's basically what happened with Khris Middletown in Milwaukee (RJ clearly has a way to go to get to that level).

Even if we're building long-term, it's nice to have a few solid pieces in place to play alongside splashy FA signings. A true 3 and D guy is a benefit to any team.


Middleton is a very very good player who is an asset on his current contract so I am not sure I understand this comparison.


I'm saying we would be LUCKY if we were able to quietly develop RJ like the Bucks did with Middleton, then keep him here on a cap friendly contract.

That's harder to do in New York than a small market... If the "Knicks are back" becomes a thing, and they continue to get all this press, by virtue of being here RJ is going to get a lot of attention. If he improves, that'll make it all the harder to keep him. If the Knicks decide to go a different route and focus on youth development over short term wins, I guarantee they'll get less attention and be better able to hold on to some of their youth.

Clearly RJ has a long way to go to be on Middleton's level, but it's not entirely impossible. Middleton is a super charged role player.
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Post#214 » by AusKnicksTape » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:38 pm

Payton, Payton’s Mum, a second round pick and all of our leftover notebooks on the triangle from Phil’s regime to Portland for Dame.

...those triangle notes be gold!! GOLD!!
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Post#215 » by Jimmit79 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:38 pm

god shammgod wrote:this is really about whether you believe 3 or d rj is anything special. the same way back in the day people thought gallo and wilson chandler might be special. i see a pattern emerging.
Gallo could atleast hit clutch bucket RJ was mostly on bench in 4th this playoffs series.

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Post#216 » by Illuminatos » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:39 pm

Only do this trade if Kawhi is a lock to come here.

If he agrees then yeah you give up whoever you have to. Not a damn young player on this roster is untouchable.
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Post#217 » by Im Coming Home » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:40 pm

god shammgod wrote:this is really about whether you believe 3 or d rj is anything special. the same way back in the day people thought gallo and wilson chandler might be special. i see a pattern emerging.

no this is really about not doing the same ol knicks thing where we rush a rebuild for an aging star and it blows up in our face where we win nothing and give up everything we have. its so shortsighted and we've been doing it the last 20 years. come on sham, i know you like dame but julius/dame isn't contending and thats all we'll have left after a trade for Dame, and in 2-3 years when Dame/Julius don't work out we'll have nothing left once again and RJ/IQ will probably be balling for Portland.
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Post#218 » by TheGreenArrow » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:41 pm

Rj,IQ,Obi,Knox,frank, 3 1st round picks, 3 1st pick swaps!!!
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Post#219 » by Chanel Bomber » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:42 pm

The Knicks have young players who have shown a lot of promise. Whether or not they will become stars is up for debate, but they have 4 players who have shown they won't bust and who should have long productive careers ahead of them (at least in my opinion) in RJ, Mitch, Obi and Quickley.

Leon Rose can make a decent offer for Dame. The Knicks have 6 first-round draft picks in the next 4 years.

Just don't trade all your young players. Offer one plus draft capital to Portland.

And make sure you can bring in another star through free agency. Dame + Randle + role players is not leading you anywhere. Overpay only if Kawhi's willing to sign.

Dame will be 31 next month. This is not a Melo situation where the guy was 26 when he came to NY. And - similar to Melo - he needs to play with another star. He's not a MVP-type talent who can singlehandedly carry a team to title contention.

Unless we can get both Kawhi and Dame (which sounds crazy), then CP3 seems like a more reasonable option.
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Post#220 » by TheGreenArrow » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:43 pm

If we we’re to haggle over giving up young pieces it’d be for IQ not Rj!!!

IQ is the better prospect and if we’re honest with ourselves it isn’t even close!!!!!!
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