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[sol537]

Randle + RJ to LAL for WB + picks

Who says no?

[duetta]

I think Obi would be an impact player so long as we run plays that highlight his ability - which means we need a different coach, a coach with a more sophisticated offensive philosophy.

[thebuzzardman]

How is Obi more entertaining g to watch? He doesn't do anything but leak out and shoot wide open 3s.

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He's not overdribbling the ball, doing dumb stuff on offense 5 times a game and not taking revenge shots or drives several times a game that almost always end up in misses or turnovers?

I'd find that more interesting

As soon as Obi starts the fans will be disappointed. He is his own player not the antithesis of Randle. As his own player he is a guy who stands in the corner and can't do much when a body stays in front of him.

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Trust me, I'm not sure Obi is an NBA starter. For all the projecting of stats, it's not a given that production against benches translates to production against starters.

I know your thing is the forum finds whipping boys. Randle certainly was one.
Just be glad I'm coming to the understanding the issue isn't Randle, it's Randle and RJ together

It's not their fault, they don't need to be vilified. They are a poor fit together, one I'm not sure a "star wing" would fix. Maybe. I doubt it.

Obi has a few kinds of advocates.
One group believes his backup stats will translate, he has that ability
Another group likes him because he's not Randle, though for somewhat different reasons
Yet another group likes Obi because they think that he'll "fit" better in the starting lineup, dominating the ball less, moving it more, based on believing his shooting from 3 will continue.
Of course, there is the Venn diagram overlap.

I'd play Randle and Obi together, if anything.
It's the only way the team can remotely have RJ and Randle on the floor at the same time, and even then it wouldn't really be good.

Roster is flawed beyond any simple fixes and a strong reason for that is building around Randle and RJ.

[thebuzzardman]

Randle + RJ to LAL for WB + picks

Who says no?

LA.

It would make them worse.

[thebuzzardman]

Brunion/Rose
Grimes/IQ
Cam/RJ
Obi/RJ
Randle/Mitch/Sims

Trade: Fournier, Shart
Fire Thibs

Next year let DRose expire

Still a mid team, might be watchable though

[robillionaire]

even a non-NBA player like jericho sims can throw together a 11 and 13 game and he gets paid minimum wage 7.25 an hour much cheaper than 15 million a year

[Tron Carter]

Brunion/Rose
Grimes/IQ
Cam/RJ
Obi/RJ
Randle/Mitch/Sims

Trade: Fournier, Shart
Fire Thibs

Next year let DRose expire

Still a mid team, might be watchable though

this idiot FO should've traded Rose this past summer. Definitely could've gotten something decent for him. Would've opened up minutes for Grimes. I want to see a IQ-Grimes-Cam-Obi-Mitch lineup but lord knows that will never happen under the penguin.

[Tron Carter]

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[KnicksGadfly]

You'd think it was 2006 as negative as this board is.

How can anyone be this consistently negative about a team that's the 8th youngest team in the league (we're tied for 5th with the Pacers in having the most players under 25 with over 100 minutes despite Grimes' injury limiting his PT), is around .500, will probably have 7 first round picks in the next 3 drafts, has a history of finding steals in the first outside of the lottery, and that finally seems to be giving young players a consistent organizational presence and room to grow as players?

This is literally what the board begged for for the first decade I was on here, now we have a team that's building the right way through the draft and young players and y'all are mad as **** about it. I don't know why everyone is so pressed about blowing up a team built around a 26 year old PG, a 22 year old SG, a 28 year old PF (ok Randle does need to go - but y'all been dragging it for years and hated him the whole time me and Melo were his only defenders when he was signed), and 6 young ass role players with a few vets sprinkled in to teach the young kids how to be professionals.

This is what rebuilding looks like. Y'all be patient. I'd be mad as hell if we blew what we have up to be worse versions of OKC. Detroit is headed to Kings status how about we avoid that outcome.

You brought up the Knicks find steals outside the lotto but the Knicks are equally great at identifying lotto talent too. We found Steph, we found Westbrook, we found Trae, we found LaMelo, we found Jaden Ivey…these fans can’t appreciate rebuilding! Eff those haters!

[thebuzzardman]

You'd think it was 2006 as negative as this board is.

How can anyone be this consistently negative about a team that's the 8th youngest team in the league (we're tied for 5th with the Pacers in having the most players under 25 with over 100 minutes despite Grimes' injury limiting his PT), is around .500, will probably have 7 first round picks in the next 3 drafts, has a history of finding steals in the first outside of the lottery, and that finally seems to be giving young players a consistent organizational presence and room to grow as players?

This is literally what the board begged for for the first decade I was on here, now we have a team that's building the right way through the draft and young players and y'all are mad as **** about it. I don't know why everyone is so pressed about blowing up a team built around a 26 year old PG, a 22 year old SG, a 28 year old PF (ok Randle does need to go - but y'all been dragging it for years and hated him the whole time me and Melo were his only defenders when he was signed), and 6 young ass role players with a few vets sprinkled in to teach the young kids how to be professionals.

This is what rebuilding looks like. Y'all be patient. I'd be mad as hell if we blew what we have up to be worse versions of OKC. Detroit is headed to Kings status how about we avoid that outcome.

Once I wade through my own irrational anger that comes from watching kind of crappy basketball with this team, I'm at least happy they have a young, deep bench.

The issue is they are short 3 starters, but maybe they'll find them eventually.
RJ and Randle kind of more suited to be bench guys, but I guess if they keep one, move the other, it might work.

[DaGawd]

You'd think it was 2006 as negative as this board is.

How can anyone be this consistently negative about a team that's the 8th youngest team in the league (we're tied for 5th with the Pacers in having the most players under 25 with over 100 minutes despite Grimes' injury limiting his PT), is around .500, will probably have 7 first round picks in the next 3 drafts, has a history of finding steals in the first outside of the lottery, and that finally seems to be giving young players a consistent organizational presence and room to grow as players?

This is literally what the board begged for for the first decade I was on here, now we have a team that's building the right way through the draft and young players and y'all are mad as **** about it. I don't know why everyone is so pressed about blowing up a team built around a 26 year old PG, a 22 year old SG, a 28 year old PF (ok Randle does need to go - but y'all been dragging it for years and hated him the whole time me and Melo were his only defenders when he was signed), and 6 young ass role players with a few vets sprinkled in to teach the young kids how to be professionals.

This is what rebuilding looks like. Y'all be patient. I'd be mad as hell if we blew what we have up to be worse versions of OKC. Detroit is headed to Kings status how about we avoid that outcome.

all our young players are mediocre that’s the problem

[Spree2Houston]

I said this back in 2020 that RJ and Randle are both PFS and can't play well together. They both operate from the same areas on the court. But everyone got blind sighted by our playoff appearance and ignored this. RJ's best position has always been PF. But we drafted OBI and Mgmt seems hell bent developing RJ as SG/SF.

[mpharris36]

I turned it off at halftime. Need my beauty rest lol

Good to see Reddish having 2 good games in a row. He just needs to be consistent, he has time the rest of the year to do so, but I'm still standing by my prior statements until he shows more than just flashes. Also, he's still out of position on defense more often than not, which is a big problem and if he would fix that, he'd be one of the best wing defenders in the league

RJ just needs to be better, plain and simple. I can forgive him having a bad game or 2 every once in a while, but he needs to be consistently good outside of them, which he still really hasn't been. I'm more lenient with him than Cam because he's shown more consistency in his career and he's also like a year younger, but similar situation. Year 4, need to see more

Honestly though, this team is just treading water until we trade for a star. And if we can't by this offseason, the window has passed, and we honestly should just blow it up. We'd be in a fantastic position to do so, since we already have a good amount of excess picks, but we won't. We need top tier talent, and we don't have that. None of our current players are it, and none of them have the potential to be it. And they all kind of don't fit with each other anyways. So I'm kind of disinterested in the team until we make a move, but because Leon kinda sucks, I'm not expecting anything

Oh, and fire Thibs too. He's not the sole problem, but he is a problem.

I agree with pretty much everything. I am hoping this couple game stretch is just because RJ has been sick like a dog. He was wearing a facemask on the bench and breen said yesterday he has been fighting something the last couple of days.

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[E-Balla]

I think most of us are just apathetic cause while we're young, none of our young guys look like true difference makers

We'll have chances to get that difference maker with our 7 first round picks in the next 3 years/by trading one of the young guys for a difference maker looking for a way off a fumbling team (for example if OKC doesn't turn it around this year I can easily see Shai asking out). We're a young team, patience is key.

Brunson and Randle are who they are. RJ's our best young prospect, but his ceiling isn't super high.

If we're talking young prospects with a high ceiling on the Knicks it's IQ who's easily our best prospect. We saw that yesterday too. He hit the floor and we immediately went on a 11-2 run. He's been doing this for 3 years now, it's not a fluke. His defense, ability to not turn the ball over, and super deep shooting makes him incredibly valuable.

538's RAPTOR put him as a future all star, LEBRON forecasts has him as the 6th best PG under 25 (Ja, Luka, Trae, Shai, Garland are the top 5 in order), RAPM puts him as the most impactful player under 25 outside of Tatum, etc. He's got to touch up his actual shot making ability, but he's a consistent 3 pointer away from being big time.

Cam has a higher ceiling but is much further away from reaching it

Cam was a dub when we got him. The fact that he's looking like he might be serviceable one day is a testament to Thibs' ability to develop young guys.

And it's hard to be excited about young role players especially if we're gonna have to trade most of them to get a star

I like our guys, but I don't love them.

I mean I get you, but having a bunch of good young role players and assets is the best place to be in as a team. We can't all get lucky and win the lottery. Hell the year we had the youngest team in the league and the most losses in the league (aka we tanked) we got jumped by 2 33 win teams in the lottery and that's before they flattened the odds. The fact we have the roster we have now with all the bad luck (and bad drafting - because Obi over Hali will continue to haunt us) is proof that the Front Office for the most part has a solid plan and are doing a good job at executing it.

The 5 best players in the league are:

Giannis (drafted 15th by a 38 win team that didn't tank)
Jokic (drafted 41st by a 30 win team that didn't tank)
Curry (drafted 7th by a 29 win team that didn't tank)
Tatum (drafted 3rd by a 53 win team that didn't tank)
Embiid (drafted 3rd by a 19 win team in their first year of a multi year tank)

Only one of those players has failed to reach a conference finals in their career so far. Having a HOFer is only step one.

[robillionaire]

Brunion/Rose
Grimes/IQ
Cam/RJ
Obi/RJ
Randle/Mitch/Sims

Trade: Fournier, Shart
Fire Thibs

Next year let DRose expire

Still a mid team, might be watchable though

this idiot FO should've traded Rose this past summer. Definitely could've gotten something decent for him. Would've opened up minutes for Grimes. I want to see a IQ-Grimes-Cam-Obi-Mitch lineup but lord knows that will never happen under the penguin.

they could probably trade him just as easily now, he's expiring and not injured, I wouldn't expect to get much back maybe a 2nd rounder

[Tron Carter]

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[Tron Carter]

Brunion/Rose
Grimes/IQ
Cam/RJ
Obi/RJ
Randle/Mitch/Sims

Trade: Fournier, Shart
Fire Thibs

Next year let DRose expire

Still a mid team, might be watchable though

this idiot FO should've traded Rose this past summer. Definitely could've gotten something decent for him. Would've opened up minutes for Grimes. I want to see a IQ-Grimes-Cam-Obi-Mitch lineup but lord knows that will never happen under the penguin.

they could probably trade him just as easily now, he's expiring and not injured, I wouldn't expect to get much back maybe a 2nd rounder

They could but they won't

[thebuzzardman]

I said this back in 2020 that RJ and Randle are both PFS and can't play well together. They both operate from the same areas on the court. But everyone got blind sighted by our playoff appearance and ignored this. RJ's best position has always been PF. But we drafted OBI and Mgmt seems hell bent developing RJ as SG/SF.

I think RJ is a swing SF/PF and Randle's best role is mismatch 5 with some time at the 4 to get more minutes, so a 5/4

Fire Thibs and there's a path to playing RJ, Randle and Obi, though might have to break up RJ and Randle a bit, stagger them some.

Cam gets to play too.

Shart would get DNPs along with Sims, Mitch's minutes might stay the same. Would have to move one of the centers eventually.
I'd trade Shart. He's not worth the roster spot.

[sol537]

1. Trade Randle for expiring
2. Trade Fournier + two 2nds for expiring
3. Trade Rose for late 1st or two 2nds

Brunson / McBride
IQ / Grimes
RJ /
Cam / Obi
Mitch / Hart / Sims

Youth movement... Obi gets his 30+ minutes as does Cam and IQ. That team would be so much more fun to watch regardless of W's and L's this season. Don't wait until the Feb trade deadline to do this. Go Young or go home.

[nedleeds]

I said this back in 2020 that RJ and Randle are both PFS and can't play well together. They both operate from the same areas on the court. But everyone got blind sighted by our playoff appearance and ignored this. RJ's best position has always been PF. But we drafted OBI and Mgmt seems hell bent developing RJ as SG/SF.

You aren't wrong but you are just calling R_ a PF because he can't shoot. He can't hold up against big small forwards (Jimmy, LeFlop, Kawhi).

We can just simplify our positions by saying that RJ and Randle are just roleplayers on real teams ... maybe the 60th and 75th best players in the league. As the 7th man on the Bucks RJ might be fine. As Bobby Portis on the Bucks Randle might be fine. In New York they get intro videos, jersey nights and 100' banners on MSG.

After this latest 0'fer I'm downgrading RJ from a homeless mans Michael Redd to a middle class mans Tony Snell.