PG: Knicks fall short in loss to Celts

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Interesting you bring up that Clipper team. They seem a pretty good comp to our current Knicks.

Their best player was a top point guard (Paul vs. Brunson), they had a pretty good all-star forward (Blake Griffin vs Randle), a pretty good “garbageman center” (DeAndre Jordan vs. Mitch), another good player (Billups vs. RJ) and a decent bench/starter Villanovan (Foye vs. Hart). Also a WHO? guy (Who? vs. Grimes).

They got close but never could make that final leap. (but like with Brunson, DeAndre pissed off Mark Cuban on almost signing again)

But still that Clips team was better than their current All Star NAMES team. So be careful what u wish for – adding a NAME or two isn’t always the answer. Toronto Kawhi was/is not Clippers Kawhi. And for that matter wasn’t Spurs Kawhi either .
But sure would be nice to have a two-way center even if he were slightly (not majorly) less impactful on D.

But that probably also goes nowhere without a new Coach. I’m still happy about playoffs after a 2 decade drought.

On the surface we might be similar to that Clippers team, but we have an RJ.... and Mitch IMO is way more impactful defensively than Jordan, while receiving way less lob opportunities.

How impactful was his defense against Kristaps? First game against them he was in foul trouble, second game against them he was on the perimeter and his rim protection was null and void as a result. Kristaps is 8-16 on shots being guarded by him and his team has scored 79 pts as a result of that matchup, their highest total on the season. The next closest matchup has resulted in 45 team pts, he and his team feasts against Mitch but but defense!!

It's absurd to me that some of you can't see this simple thing, negate his defense with shooting and then make him a negative on offense because of his lack of skill. This is how rim runners have been sent to die for the last 10 years.

[8516knicks]

as long as we agree that a lot of our end of the bench is agent favors and nepotism because we could have done a lot better filling out the end of the bench in case of injuries...

Outside of McBride/Fournier/Sims maybe...there there is like 5-6 guys I would never trust in a spot to give you quality NBA minutes. And right now all it takes is for RJ/Hart/Randle to to get hurt for one of them to be playing close to 48 minutes a night which Hart just did yesterday.

The Knicks are 10 deep at best.

Everyone else is a G leaguer.

basically...like I said out of the current guys not in the rotation. Duece, Fournier, and Sims probably are the only 3 that can even attempt to give you quality NBA minutes.

The rest of that roster is TRASH!

Which costs us how many wins?

[mpharris36]

And what's you theory on why we didn't go after them?

I have said it multiple times already Leon is big on doing agents favors and there is a hint of nepotism because I don't think he values the end of the roster which is fine when the team is healthy...but when it isn't it becomes more of an issue.

So you think it costs us, what, 10 wins a year? 5? 3? ONE??? How costly is this to us? You haven't said that multiple times. In fact you have not said it even once.

10 wins a year... they aren't 10 WAR bench players. That is a silly extreme to prove no point.

Lets say it costs you 1 game...that is one too many. Because most of these guys aren't NBA players. Its that simple...not difficult to comprehend.

[8516knicks]

I have said it multiple times already Leon is big on doing agents favors and there is a hint of nepotism because I don't think he values the end of the roster which is fine when the team is healthy...but when it isn't it becomes more of an issue.

So you think it costs us, what, 10 wins a year? 5? 3? ONE??? How costly is this to us? You haven't said that multiple times. In fact you have not said it even once.

10 wins a year... they aren't 10 WAR bench players. That is a silly extreme to prove no point.

Lets say it costs you 1 game...that is one too many. Because most of these guys aren't NBA players. Its that simple...not difficult to comprehend.

So you're making a big stink over something you admit doesn't really matter?

[The Vo Show]

No need to panic. Just need RJ back and to keep up his progress

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I'd say the panic is when Thibs continues to Thibs. No accountability and no willingness to rein in his players

This team has basically not once been blown out despite a brutal schedule both in quality of opponent and ridiculously tight scheduling.

Randle was not in condition early and RJ has been in and out of the line up. Brunson hasn't seemed to be in quite his full regular season form either. Despite all that we have been competitive every single game. I am not worried about the 5-5 record at all for so much adversity to start a season.

Brunson needs some rest too. He's taking a ton of charges and his hand is still wrapped up. How long before he breaks? We can actually afford to let him rest too. We've got IQ and DDV to fill in for the shot creation and RJ when he's back.

Still really need a backup for Randle. Its just not good to bet on him lasting all 82 games. Where the hell is Taj Gibson? It would have made a lot of sense to sign George Niang in the offseason

[8516knicks]

I'd say the panic is when Thibs continues to Thibs. No accountability and no willingness to rein in his players

This team has basically not once been blown out despite a brutal schedule both in quality of opponent and ridiculously tight scheduling.

Randle was not in condition early and RJ has been in and out of the line up. Brunson hasn't seemed to be in quite his full regular season form either. Despite all that we have been competitive every single game. I am not worried about the 5-5 record at all for so much adversity to start a season.

Brunson needs some rest too. He's taking a ton of charges and his hand is still wrapped up. How long before he breaks? We can actually afford to let him rest too. We've got IQ and DDV to fill in for the shot creation and RJ when he's back.

Still really need a backup for Randle. Its just not good to bet on him lasting all 82 games. Where the hell is Taj Gibson? It would have made a lot of sense to sign George Niang in the offseason

Sure, would like to have him. But he's not that cheap --

Current Contract

Georges Niang signed a 3 year / $25,500,000 contract with the Cleveland Cavaliers, including $25,500,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $8,500,000. In 2023-24, Niang will earn a base salary of $8,800,000, while carrying a cap hit of $8,800,000 and a dead cap value of $8,800,000.

[mpharris36]

So you think it costs us, what, 10 wins a year? 5? 3? ONE??? How costly is this to us? You haven't said that multiple times. In fact you have not said it even once.

10 wins a year... they aren't 10 WAR bench players. That is a silly extreme to prove no point.

Lets say it costs you 1 game...that is one too many. Because most of these guys aren't NBA players. Its that simple...not difficult to comprehend.

So you're making a big stink over something you admit doesn't really matter?

Your deflecting because you are trying to protect a guy that isn't an NBA player. I made my point...one win because of agent favors/nepotism is too much when there are more quality back end of the bench we passed on because they didn't fit that "narrative".

It has nothing to do with would thibs play him. You can't tell me you wouldn't trust Lamar Stevens in an NBA game over Ryan Arcidiacono (and its not just him, take the other end of the bench bums with you). He is no world beater however he started 20 something games for the cavs last year and at least can defend his position...he signed a camp deal.

[8516knicks]

10 wins a year... they aren't 10 WAR bench players. That is a silly extreme to prove no point.

Lets say it costs you 1 game...that is one too many. Because most of these guys aren't NBA players. Its that simple...not difficult to comprehend.

So you're making a big stink over something you admit doesn't really matter?

Your deflecting because you are trying to protect a guy that isn't an NBA player. I made my point...one win because of agent favors/nepotism is too much when there are more quality back end of the bench we passed on because they didn't fit that "narrative".

It has nothing to do with would thibs play him. You can't tell me you wouldn't trust Lamar Stevens in an NBA game over Ryan Arcidiacono (and its not just him, take the other end of the bench bums with you). He is no world beater however he started 20 something games for the cavs last year and at least can defend his position...he signed a camp deal.

I'm deflecting? Been studying Trump?

[mpharris36]

even from a more current NBA free agent list

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there are at least guys that could play in a pinch if we needed them

Bazley/Javonte Green/Langford....

[mpharris36]

So you're making a big stink over something you admit doesn't really matter?

Your deflecting because you are trying to protect a guy that isn't an NBA player. I made my point...one win because of agent favors/nepotism is too much when there are more quality back end of the bench we passed on because they didn't fit that "narrative".

It has nothing to do with would thibs play him. You can't tell me you wouldn't trust Lamar Stevens in an NBA game over Ryan Arcidiacono (and its not just him, take the other end of the bench bums with you). He is no world beater however he started 20 something games for the cavs last year and at least can defend his position...he signed a camp deal.

I'm deflecting? Been studying Trump?

damn what a **** take

[Jalen Bluntson]

I REALLY don't understand why we didn't bring in ANYONE to backup Randle??????

What the **** was the FO thinking....

This has got to be Thibs influenced. He has a say in the rotation and, at this point, it's evident he has a say in the roster. So he wanted to go into the season this way. They are all morons is my final assessment here.

Good thing we aren't trying to contend for a title. We know we are mid level playoffs again this year so, whatever. They have until the TDL to figure it out.

I think not having this level of RJ was the bigger issue. The schedule makers really dumped a steaming pile on us to start this season. RJ getting hurt has hurt the team even more. Read that part out loud again in case people missed it. RJ BEING HURT, HURT THE TEAM!

It's a long season and the schedule will ease up at some point. We need to sustain at least a .500 record in the meantime. These back to backs are insane!

Welcome to the battle of the MIDway!

[8516knicks]

Your deflecting because you are trying to protect a guy that isn't an NBA player. I made my point...one win because of agent favors/nepotism is too much when there are more quality back end of the bench we passed on because they didn't fit that "narrative".

It has nothing to do with would thibs play him. You can't tell me you wouldn't trust Lamar Stevens in an NBA game over Ryan Arcidiacono (and its not just him, take the other end of the bench bums with you). He is no world beater however he started 20 something games for the cavs last year and at least can defend his position...he signed a camp deal.

I'm deflecting? Been studying Trump?

damn what a **** take

You stay classy.

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

I'm not offended. I said cut them all. Still waiting for u to say how many wins that will get us. Apparently you want disgruntled bad attitude guys for the end of the bench. To each his own.

Nah, you could have better guys, like Jeff Green is putting up better stats right now than DDV and fills a need as a backup 4. The Suns filled out their bench with vet min guys that are playing real minutes.

Sure, we could have better guys. Hell, we could have had Brooks, Barnes, Srus, Oubre, Martin, Warren, Wattanabe ... the list goes on. But they cost $$$$$, something some posters have yet to grasp.

Yeah, but we gave DDV 4 yrs $46.8 million and the Rockets gave Green 1 yr $6 million. That's terrible management on our end, we're spending more per year and more total years for a guy that is performing worse than someone that we actually needed.

[8516knicks]

Yes, not getting Green will cost us making the ECF. Drat.

[thebuzzardman]

Jeremiah Robinson Earl would have been a nice cheap pickup.

9ppg, 5rpg, 53%fg, 63% from 3 so far in 3 games

Yeah, he was available after camp or even after the season started.

Who picked him up?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Yes, not getting Green will cost us making the ECF. Drat.

I mean, he was a key role player on the champs, you can make fun of guys like this on low salaries but that's how they ended up with him and Brown. Overpaying on mid role players like DDV or giving away roster spots to bums with connections isn't the way to Valhalla.

[mpharris36]

Yes, not getting Green will cost us making the ECF. Drat.

I mean, he was a key role player on the champs, you can make fun of guys like this on low salaries but that's how they ended up with him and Brown. Overpaying on mid role players like DDV or giving away roster spots to bums with connections isn't the way to Valhalla.

Also the team has no interest in rostering draft picks...like even a team like denver has a guy like Peyton Watson. Late 1st round...type of guy you can get late 1st round early 2nd...doesn't play much 1st year but is a long wing...can defend...and now he is contributing playing 15 mins a night for the champs...it not a big move on the margins...but these moves add up.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Jeremiah Robinson Earl would have been a nice cheap pickup.

9ppg, 5rpg, 53%fg, 63% from 3 so far in 3 games

Yeah, he was available after camp or even after the season started.

Who picked him up?

Pelicans to a 2 way deal

[Deeeez Knicks]

It wasnt the difference in this game, but it still looks like a pretty glaring hole on the roster. Something we can def improve, even if its a minor move.

Miami / Pat the Rat is always great at finding gritty players off the scrap heap that end up contributing in big moments. But it is tough to find anyone like that.

[sol537]

1) Randle + IQ + protected 1st for Zion
2) Fournier + two 2nd rounders for Gallo + Delon Wright