"Is Julius Randle the problem on the Knicks?" (video analysis)

[sol537]

Send Wandle to the Pistons

[Clyde_Style]

Serious question, is Julius Randle the most under-rated player in the NBA?

Stay off the homer juice

You're right. There's no question about it. Randle is without a doubt the most under-rated player in the NBA.

Randle is no Zach Lavine

[Clyde_Style]

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Rivers is wrong about one thing. Thibs puts up with everything Wandle does. Thibs has no standards

[cgf]

Stay off the homer juice

You're right. There's no question about it. Randle is without a doubt the most under-rated player in the NBA.

Randle is no Zach Lavine

Other way around. Zach is really under-rated too, but he's not as under-rated as Julius.

[Ma10]

https://youtube.com/shorts/MXUA46zOJ0M?si=gGvJhi1-xl9aMNgi

You have to admit that Julius has developed into a very good offensive player. He seems to be really actively using the offseason to work on his offensive game, but unfortunately basketball isn't just about offense. The lack of effort he shows in defense in many games really borders on a refusal to work. Good or world-class players may not always be the best defenders, but a player like Kobe, from whom he supposedly copied his work ethic, would be ashamed to defend like that. Defense is and remains a matter of attitude. Some might say, yes, that's good, but it won't be important until the playoffs, but come on. Even though he was able to put some things aside from the past, he just can't get out of his skin. When the game isn't going well for him, you can practically see how his mind completely switches off. I would like to swap him for another power forward but unfortunately there is no one available at the moment who is actually much better than him. So we have to hope for an extreme offensive run from Brunson!

[prophet_of_rage]

Just why???

Because Leon and Thibs chose Julius (CAA) over RJ, IQ and Obi. Now after watching IQ and RJ turn into Lowery & Derozen 2.0 people are questioning what held them back. It’s looking more each day like Thibs and Randle that’s why. Respectfully

Julius left CAA before they chose him. The trade was win/win.

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[NowWHYcee7]

Knicks fans don't really deserve a championship team. I can never root for another team but that's just the truth. If we never win another championship until the end of days it would be justice.

asinine

Sure I might be biased, but Knicks are truly the sleeping giant of US sport franchises.

Fantastic fans. You can't use RealGM as a sample size. We are indeed lunatics.

What makes us fantastic, exactly?

The self-aggrandizing we do as Knicks fans is cringe worthy. We call our arena the "Mecca" when we haven't won anything in 50 years. NYC doesn't even produce great basketball players like that. Canada produces better players if we wanna keep it all the way 100, which is embarrassing. We harass and abuse our own players day in day out and then get mad when they respond in kind. Sleeping Giant? LOL that's what I'm talking about. Nah, we've just been trash for a long time. Don't get it F'd up.

[Stannis]

What makes us fantastic, exactly?

The self-aggrandizing we do as Knicks fans is cringe worthy. We call our arena the "Mecca" when we haven't won anything in 50 years. NYC doesn't even produce great basketball players like that. Canada produces better players if we wanna keep it all the way 100, which is embarrassing. We harass and abuse our own players day in day out and then get mad when they respond in kind. Sleeping Giant? LOL that's what I'm talking about. Nah, we've just been trash for a long time. Don't get it F'd up.

I always thought it was New York that was called the "Mecca", not MSG. Lot of the greats are from New York. But yeah, the city hasn't produced as much as they used to. I agree, things have changed. but I honestly, haven't seen fans refer to New York as the Mecca anymore.

There's been a lot of "cursed" franchises in American sports that turned it around. Red Sox, 76ers, Texas Rangers, Suns, etc.

I thought I was a pessimistic fan. But I honestly don't even know what you are doing here lol. Sounds like you want the Knicks to fail because "we don't deserve better". WTF is this lol???

[prophet_of_rage]

That's just it, I don't think either his teammates or the coaching staff or the front office thinks that Randle quit on the team. If they did, then he'd be gone. From my vantage point, the team loves Julius.

Wingo, my brother of a certain age, you may be right or maybe just maybe this new generation has gone soft. Imagine Randle pulling that sh*t with Riley or JFG as coach and Oakley, Starks and Mason as teammates.

Well ........ no. lol. What's interesting is that Thibs is an old school coach and he doesn't even seem to care what Randle does. He just won't pull his vets from a game.

Yeah, it's completely different era. Players back then didn't argue each and every call either. Maybe the refereeing was better back then or the game was easier to call because these refs today seem to be missing a lot. Of course, it could be all of the instant replays from every conceivable angle nowadays that helps fuel that kind of behavior? Maybe it works.

Players back when didn't argue every call? The 90s? That's not true. Barkley, Oakley, Rasheed Wallace, MJ, Duncan, etc. They all argued calls. It was just nothing to worry about because it wasn't something that created a lot of techs.

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[prophet_of_rage]

What makes us fantastic, exactly?

The self-aggrandizing we do as Knicks fans is cringe worthy. We call our arena the "Mecca" when we haven't won anything in 50 years. NYC doesn't even produce great basketball players like that. Canada produces better players if we wanna keep it all the way 100, which is embarrassing. We harass and abuse our own players day in day out and then get mad when they respond in kind. Sleeping Giant? LOL that's what I'm talking about. Nah, we've just been trash for a long time. Don't get it F'd up.

I always thought it was New York that was called the "Mecca", not MSG. Lot of the greats are from New York. But yeah, the city hasn't produced as much as they used to. I agree, things have changed. but I honestly, haven't seen fans refer to New York as the Mecca anymore.

There's been a lot of "cursed" franchises in American sports that turned it around. Red Sox, 76ers, Texas Rangers, Suns, etc.

I thought I was a pessimistic fan. But I honestly don't even know what you are doing here lol. Sounds like you want the Knicks to fail because "we don't deserve better". WTF is this lol???

He thinks Knicks fans suck and MSG is the mecca not NYC. New Jersey produces better ballers than gentrified NYC now. The poster hates our over the top expectations, too.

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[prophet_of_rage]

https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/274272/The-Magic-Is-In-The-Work

This is a good read on Randle and Brunson. It analyses what is right instead of wrong and shows you what Julius has done every year.

[3toheadmelo]

https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/274272/The-Magic-Is-In-The-Work

This is a good read on Randle and Brunson. It analyses what is right instead of wrong and shows you what Julius has done every year.

Over the last 31 games, Randle averaged 26 points, 9 rebounds and 4.7 assists per game on 59.8 percent True Shooting.

[prophet_of_rage]

There really isn't a problem per se except that the Knicks don't have a first team All-NBA player, but really 25 teams (arguably) don't have that. If anything it's we're light on two way wings and a back up 4/5. But complaining about Julius who has actually done whatever we have needed him to do and struggled somewhat because of it is simplistic analysis. If we asked Jalen Brunson to be our post player would you blame him for defending the post poorly or roster construction?

Notice this year when we have an open rim, ball movement and clearly defined roles Julius is much more engaged and giving great effort. He's been all-NBA twice so people see his work and production and talent. Why is it that we only see flaws and think there's someone better who is available?

Who? And why would they trade for Randle in that case?

[Woodsanity]

Randle's ideal role is 3rd option. So yes its not going to work well with him as 1st option ever.

[Jalen Bluntson]

https://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/274272/The-Magic-Is-In-The-Work

This is a good read on Randle and Brunson. It analyses what is right instead of wrong and shows you what Julius has done every year.

Wow what a fluff piece!

If Randle keeps this up, he’ll be the Knicks’ answer to Giannis Antetokounmpo and Jayson Tatum and any other multi-hyphenate talents who lie in wait in the playoffs.

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Randle was making me a believer and then, Wandle showed up for a reality check. He CAN BE a very good player but, he is not on their level at all. He melts under pressure like snow on the sun! Putting him on their level is just BS fluff piece propaganda.

[JayTWill]

I don't feel like Randle's game translates well for him to become a 3rd option at this point in time. A 3rd option would be required to play off the ball more often and contribute in other ways. Randle is not a catch and shoot guy. He does not space the floor well. He is not a pick and pop or pick and roll big. He isn't constantly moving off the ball or setting screens. He and Brunson essentially just take turns looking for their own offense and sometimes creating opportunities for others when there is no shot available to them. Part of the reason they work well together is that they are both difficult shot takers and makers that provide breaks for one another.

Unfortunately Brunson and Randle may not be good enough to be top 2 players on a contending team. You probably need someone better than both of them especially when you take into account their defense. In Randle's case I can't think of any teams that he would possibly be a great fit on other than Miami where they have a culture, system and role available that may be able to make use of his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. He seems to be able to do whatever he wants in New York for some strange reason.

[HarthorneWingo]

Wingo, my brother of a certain age, you may be right or maybe just maybe this new generation has gone soft. Imagine Randle pulling that sh*t with Riley or JFG as coach and Oakley, Starks and Mason as teammates.

Well ........ no. lol. What's interesting is that Thibs is an old school coach and he doesn't even seem to care what Randle does. He just won't pull his vets from a game.

Yeah, it's completely different era. Players back then didn't argue each and every call either. Maybe the refereeing was better back then or the game was easier to call because these refs today seem to be missing a lot. Of course, it could be all of the instant replays from every conceivable angle nowadays that helps fuel that kind of behavior? Maybe it works.

Players back when didn't argue every call? The 90s? That's not true. Barkley, Oakley, Rasheed Wallace, MJ, Duncan, etc. They all argued calls. It was just nothing to worry about because it wasn't something that created a lot of techs.

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I didn't say that they didn't argue calls back then. I said that they didn't argue EVERY CALL LIKE THEY DO TODAY.

[KnicksGadfly]

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Not sure if this was shared already, but this basically captures all the criticism of Randle in a few crucial moments.

[prophet_of_rage]

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Not sure if this was shared already, but this basically captures all the criticism of Randle in a few crucial moments.

Are we watching the pisspoor effort of everybody else as we can't rebound on the weak side or close out hard to the ball?

[KnicksGadfly]

I don't feel like Randle's game translates well for him to become a 3rd option at this point in time. A 3rd option would be required to play off the ball more often and contribute in other ways. Randle is not a catch and shoot guy. He does not space the floor well. He is not a pick and pop or pick and roll big. He isn't constantly moving off the ball or setting screens. He and Brunson essentially just take turns looking for their own offense and sometimes creating opportunities for others when there is no shot available to them. Part of the reason they work well together is that they are both difficult shot takers and makers that provide breaks for one another.

Unfortunately Brunson and Randle may not be good enough to be top 2 players on a contending team. You probably need someone better than both of them especially when you take into account their defense. In Randle's case I can't think of any teams that he would possibly be a great fit on other than Miami where they have a culture, system and role available that may be able to make use of his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. He seems to be able to do whatever he wants in New York for some strange reason.

Yep. For some reason, people only think of 3rd options in terms of offense. 1st guy gets all the work, 2nd guy does some work, the 3rd guy rolls to the basket and gets easy dunks.

That's not a 3rd option...that's a sixth man. That's the only other position that really gets to ignore defense to this degree, because the sixth man just gets benched if he's not hot.