Trades and Transactions thread cont - we still need a center

JayTWill · Post #201 » by **JayTWill** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:44 pm

It's entirely fair to question the organization's asset management over the last year. This time last year we had just sold low on Obi after devaluing him behind Randle for years. If someone told us at the same time last summer that we would turn Fournier, Grimes, 4 future unprotected firsts, 1 lightly protected first, 3 seconds and 1 pick swap into Mikal and KBD while also losing iHart this entire board would have lost their minds.

spree8 · Post #202 » by **spree8** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:44 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
Fury wrote:

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Lol

Ainge is the worst.

This dude must’ve been bullied bad as a kid and had his lunch money taken every day. Gotta stem from something like that in his past. Shyt ain’t normal

Post #203 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:48 pm

Yeah as Begley pointed out all firsts aren't created equal. If they have have protections on them they aren't that valuable.

We shall see. For example the Washington and DET are two firsts and those are still up in the air in terms of conveying.

Post #204 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:51 pm

GONYK wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
yeah if the plan was just precious we have his bird rights an plenty enough money to pay him. So I think they are exhausting all the S&T possibilities with him or we would have heard something by now.

Yeah, and if it can't be worked out over the summer we'll resign Precious. The numbers must already be agreed upon as well, otherwise you'd have to figure he'd have signed elsewhere.

Reportedly, we did the same with Burks, but he wanted to control where he went. So he went to Miami for less money.

yeah it takes two to tango and we are trying to get some tradable salaries in house that aren't the minimum since you can't aggregate minimum salaries in trades. But they can always take less to control there destiny because S&T have to be 3 years and likely 2 will be not guaranteed.

But I'm not sure Precious is considered a full sure bet rotation player in the NBA currently so he might just take the Knicks money knowing he will eventually get moved.

Juco24 · Post #205 » by **Juco24** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 4:58 pm

F N 11 wrote:Not sure if posted

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Hadn't seen this... but isn't he like a tall SF? Not sure what he'd bring that we don't already have.

JayTWill · Post #206 » by **JayTWill** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:00 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Yeah, and if it can't be worked out over the summer we'll resign Precious. The numbers must already be agreed upon as well, otherwise you'd have to figure he'd have signed elsewhere.

Reportedly, we did the same with Burks, but he wanted to control where he went. So he went to Miami for less money.

yeah it takes two to tango and we are trying to get some tradable salaries in house that aren't the minimum since you can't aggregate minimum salaries in trades. But they can always take less to control there destiny because S&T have to be 3 years and likely 2 will be not guaranteed.

But I'm not sure Precious is considered a full sure bet rotation player in the NBA currently so he might just take the Knicks money knowing he will eventually get moved.

Yeah, i'm starting to wonder what is the hold up on the Precious signing since we would need his salary for trade flexibility and we could use the added depth for now. If he walks the TMLE would be the only way to add salary above the vet minimum right?

Post #207 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:01 pm

JayTWill wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Reportedly, we did the same with Burks, but he wanted to control where he went. So he went to Miami for less money.

yeah it takes two to tango and we are trying to get some tradable salaries in house that aren't the minimum since you can't aggregate minimum salaries in trades. But they can always take less to control there destiny because S&T have to be 3 years and likely 2 will be not guaranteed.

But I'm not sure Precious is considered a full sure bet rotation player in the NBA currently so he might just take the Knicks money knowing he will eventually get moved.

Yeah, i'm starting to wonder what is the hold up on the Precious signing since we would need his salary for trade flexibility and we could use the added depth for now. If he walks the TMLE would be the only way to add salary above the vet minimum right?

correct

Jalen Bluntson · Post #208 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:03 pm

JayTWill wrote:It's entirely fair to question the organization's asset management over the last year. This time last year we had just sold low on Obi after devaluing him behind Randle for years. If someone told us at the same time last summer that we would turn Fournier, Grimes, 4 future unprotected firsts, 1 lightly protected first, 3 seconds and 1 pick swap into Mikal and KBD while also losing iHart this entire board would have lost their minds.

iHart has nothing to do with anything. He agreed to a deal that was a bet on himself. He won the bet because OKC had the money to spend. That's not poor asset management.

I hate the 2031 pick in the Mikal deal but, that's about it.

ObI is a bench player. No one is thinking about him or Grimes.

The team has gone from 21 wins to 50 wins. They made mistakes along the way but, here we are with a title contender for the first time in a very long time. We should be competing at the top of the league for several more years. So, being able to question the teams asset management is fine but, credit is due for where they took this team in a few short years. No GM has been able to do anything like this without destroying the future in over two decades.

Post #209 » by **moocow007** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:04 pm

Bertans reaction to being cut.

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Guano · Post #210 » by **Guano** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:09 pm

Orange Mamba wrote:

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Team f0urni3r back up!!!!

thebuzzardman · Post #211 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:10 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
Orange Mamba wrote:

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Not a shot blocker or rebounder at 6-10. He would mainly be an 3 ball kind of sub in for depth.

He would be a nice depth add but we would still need the 5 and the backup 1.

Would y'all have him or Luke Kennard? Or is it because of his size and our frontcourt doesn't have a lot of offensive capabilities not named Randle.

Bertans would get Fourniered by Thibs

Post #212 » by **moocow007** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:11 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
Not a shot blocker or rebounder at 6-10. He would mainly be an 3 ball kind of sub in for depth.

He would be a nice depth add but we would still need the 5 and the backup 1.

Would y'all have him or Luke Kennard? Or is it because of his size and our frontcourt doesn't have a lot of offensive capabilities not named Randle.

Bertans would get Fourniered by Thibs

Yeah Bertans would never get any minutes with Thibs.

Post #213 » by **mpharris36** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:16 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
Jeffrey wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
Not a shot blocker or rebounder at 6-10. He would mainly be an 3 ball kind of sub in for depth.

He would be a nice depth add but we would still need the 5 and the backup 1.

Would y'all have him or Luke Kennard? Or is it because of his size and our frontcourt doesn't have a lot of offensive capabilities not named Randle.

Bertans would get Fourniered by Thibs

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yeah bertans is a wing...that hasn't rebounded or defended in his career. Thibs would never player him.

3toheadmelo · Post #214 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:18 pm

Ghetto Gospel wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Ghetto Gospel wrote:
thats just one piece to the puzzle. what about defensive awareness/iq, knowing where to be, warding players away from being at the rim.

if he was elite at protecting the paint, he'd play 36min/game and the jazz defense would be top5 just like how it was when they had a bunch of trash perimeter defenders and gobert.

why do you assume that. Will Hardy is an offensive coach that wants to play 5 out.

utah jazz defensive rating with walker kessler 119.0, utah jazz defensive rating without walker kessler 120.8.

sorry, he improves their defense very slightly. he's not that guy

mpharris tryna convince everyone his boy Kessler is elite

Guano · Post #215 » by **Guano** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:20 pm

Fury wrote:

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Lol

Yeah, fck the kessler hype. Kessler isn't worth it and ainge is that unreasonable neighborhood kid you couldn't trade cards with cause his demands were ludicrous.

But that first part about OG&Mikal has me reminiscing about the glory days

DaGawd · Post #216 » by **DaGawd** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:25 pm

**** danny ainge

G_K_F · Post #217 » by **G_K_F** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:26 pm

Find an unheralded guy to be your Kessler. The good teams find diamonds in the rough all the time.

And before anyone says it, Sims is not that guy.

Guano · Post #218 » by **Guano** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:26 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Ghetto Gospel wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:

why do you assume that. Will Hardy is an offensive coach that wants to play 5 out.

utah jazz defensive rating with walker kessler 119.0, utah jazz defensive rating without walker kessler 120.8.

sorry, he improves their defense very slightly. he's not that guy

mpharris tryna convince everyone his boy Kessler is elite

Lusting over a mid C.

Who does mp think he is copying your whole fcking flow.

Guano · Post #219 » by **Guano** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:28 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:Find an unheralded guy to be your Kessler. The good teams find diamonds in the rough all the time.

And before anyone says it, Sims is not that guy.

Yeah, we don't need a C right now. And as the season goes on the market will change for buyers. Just ride it out when teams are more willing to unload cause their plans changed.

3toheadmelo · Post #220 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:29 pm

Guano wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Ghetto Gospel wrote:
utah jazz defensive rating with walker kessler 119.0, utah jazz defensive rating without walker kessler 120.8.

sorry, he improves their defense very slightly. he's not that guy

mpharris tryna convince everyone his boy Kessler is elite

Lusting over a mid C.

Who does mp think he is copying your whole fcking flow.

hey, you’re supposed to be on my side here mf