GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
Me and sham seem like the only ones with some sense of reality here 

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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
Guano wrote:No one is arguing the team didn't change up. But words matter. Calling them "finesse" is the problem. It's basically a euphemism for "soft" which is wrong.
Maybe if they use the word flaccid it would make more sense and not just be a Freudian slip about their own life...
If you'd rather see your team fail so you can be right
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
Guano wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Guano wrote:No one is arguing the team didn't change up. But words matter. Calling them "finesse" is the problem. It's basically a euphemism for "soft" which is wrong.
its also suggesting its the two trades that we made with Mikal and KAT being the reason for the "finesse" change.
When really its Ihart leaving, along with Mitch and Precious being hurt that are the reason for this change. And those are out of the FO control...
Honestly the trade for kat made us a better team because playing sims in the starting lineup would kill us. Starting Randle over kat at the 5 would be worse, too.
Really the problem is mitch being hurt all time. sham's fault. Always has been always will be. Yet he comes in here acting like we're the issue.
The team's identity is stuff is funny, off court it's Tom, on court lets be real, that is just Josh Hart. All the hustle and scrappy hard work stuff comes down to him, trading for him is when the team really took on that identity. People can't have it both ways, they can't claim the team identity is reliant on big centers and pounding teams, when one of them is chronically injured and has missed 72 games the last two seasons.
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
Let's not ignore that iHart also had his injury woes and some of his ineffectual stretches in the two years he was with the Knicks stemmed from them even though he may have been available more often. Now he's out again for a couple of months with his new team after signing for $30mil.
KAT isn't a picture of perfect health either but the east is filled with injury riddled big men so it's not just the Knicks players who are that with contenders in the conference. We won't even see this team's 'identity' until after a couple months anyway because there are new players and they need time to gel.
KAT isn't a picture of perfect health either but the east is filled with injury riddled big men so it's not just the Knicks players who are that with contenders in the conference. We won't even see this team's 'identity' until after a couple months anyway because there are new players and they need time to gel.
If you'd rather see your team fail so you can be right
...you are a fan of your opinion not the team.
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Knowledge is just information stuffed into a mental bag
Wisdom is knowing what to pull out of the bag to do the job
...you are a fan of your opinion not the team.
?Knowledge is just information stuffed into a mental bag
Wisdom is knowing what to pull out of the bag to do the job
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
If the team identity was hustle and offensive rebounding, then it revolved around 3 players: Josh Hart as NoDope mentioned, Hartenstein and Mitch.
With Hartenstein leaving in free agency, and Mitch getting hurt, what was the pathway to keeping that identity?
Would folks here want us to trade for Gobert instead of KAT? What were the other solutions out there?
I loved the identity of last year's team. They found gritty ways to win even as their efficiency from the floor was below average. They literally capitalized on missed shots to gain a competitive advantage. The way I see it, the Knicks finally made the step to becoming a modern NBA team, and the reality is that they were forced to do so by exogenous factors (the CBA and injury).
With Hartenstein leaving in free agency, and Mitch getting hurt, what was the pathway to keeping that identity?
Would folks here want us to trade for Gobert instead of KAT? What were the other solutions out there?
I loved the identity of last year's team. They found gritty ways to win even as their efficiency from the floor was below average. They literally capitalized on missed shots to gain a competitive advantage. The way I see it, the Knicks finally made the step to becoming a modern NBA team, and the reality is that they were forced to do so by exogenous factors (the CBA and injury).
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
We're more of a finesse team. The Nuggets and Warriors were finesse teams recently. Question is what our defense can be.
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
3toheadmelo wrote:Me and sham seem like the only ones with some sense of reality here
stop tryna team up with sham
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
rajajackal wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Me and sham seem like the only ones with some sense of reality here
stop tryna team up with shamhe's not doing the same thing you are
Very true. Sham isn't rooting for the Celtics. Very concerning behavior.
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
god shammgod wrote:Guano wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
its also suggesting its the two trades that we made with Mikal and KAT being the reason for the "finesse" change.
When really its Ihart leaving, along with Mitch and Precious being hurt that are the reason for this change. And those are out of the FO control...
Honestly the trade for kat made us a better team because playing sims in the starting lineup would kill us. Starting Randle over kat at the 5 would be worse, too.
Really the problem is mitch being hurt all time. sham's fault. Always has been always will be. Yet he comes in here acting like we're the issue.
who made you an optimist ? what did you take up microdosing or something and found some level of happiness ? boo this man
Give me a few mins of game time and I'll revert to being a grump. I'm just excited for knciks basketball right now.
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
3toheadmelo wrote:Me and sham seem like the only ones with some sense of reality here
It will be interesting to see if shamm and1s this or not.
It's a crucial moment in Realgm history.
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
rajajackal wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Me and sham seem like the only ones with some sense of reality here
stop tryna team up with shamhe's not doing the same thing you are
We already teamed up homie

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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
Want to see that we're capable of scoring against their defense & be spoilers but this is just the beginning of the beginning, a big game that's not actually a big game. Maybe we can send a message early in the season but we're at the starting line of a marathon.
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
Chanel Bomber wrote:If the team identity was hustle and offensive rebounding, then it revolved around 3 players: Josh Hart as NoDope mentioned, Hartenstein and Mitch.
With Hartenstein leaving in free agency, and Mitch getting hurt, what was the pathway to keeping that identity?
Would folks here want us to trade for Gobert instead of KAT? What were the other solutions out there?
I loved the identity of last year's team. They found gritty ways to win even as their efficiency from the floor was below average. They literally capitalized on missed shots to gain a competitive advantage. The way I see it, the Knicks finally made the step to becoming a modern NBA team, and the reality is that they were forced to do so by exogenous factors (the CBA and injury).
No, this was about his individual greatness and skill set.
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
Capn'O wrote:rajajackal wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Me and sham seem like the only ones with some sense of reality here
stop tryna team up with shamhe's not doing the same thing you are
Very true. Sham isn't rooting for the Celtics. Very concerning behavior.

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Chanel Bomber wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Me and sham seem like the only ones with some sense of reality here
It will be interesting to see if shamm and1s this or not.
It's a crucial moment in Realgm history.
Team Mitch!

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How do you define toughness?
To me toughness is measured by rebounding, being clutch, getting to the line, giving hard fouls and staying poised during a losing streak and of course not getting punked and intimidated during altercations.
I don't see a bunch of pussies on the roster.
To me toughness is measured by rebounding, being clutch, getting to the line, giving hard fouls and staying poised during a losing streak and of course not getting punked and intimidated during altercations.
I don't see a bunch of pussies on the roster.
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
3toheadmelo wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Me and sham seem like the only ones with some sense of reality here
It will be interesting to see if shamm and1s this or not.
It's a crucial moment in Realgm history.
He did mf
Team Mitch!
We saw how Team IQ went...the infighting the backstabbing!
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
3toheadmelo wrote:Chanel Bomber wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Me and sham seem like the only ones with some sense of reality here
It will be interesting to see if shamm and1s this or not.
It's a crucial moment in Realgm history.
He did mf
Team Mitch!
sham will completely abandon you if they don't trade Mitch, he will back stab you in a heartbeat the second we go past Feb 8th with Mitch on the team. For all that tough talk, sham got with the program when they decided to start IHart over Mitch, he complained but he was like Meek Mill to the the Knicks Diddy, he took that eh eh. eh eh.
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Re: GT: Our Knicks vs Melo's Celtics 10/22/24 7:30 PM on TNT
god shammgod wrote::o
They tryna tear us up like Kobe and Shaq!!
Very nasty people!!!

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