PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT?

[prophet_of_rage]

I never understood thinking anyone here doesn't actually care about the knicks. We all want em to win. We just have different ideas how to get there. And some of us are a lil rough at expressing that. But just cause a fan doesn't fck with this current team doesn't make them not a fan.

#freemeLo

Right? This forum used to have much better discussion. It used to be abput basketball but fewer posters can actually speak about basketball nowadays. It's just fan speak.

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[Galvationknicks]

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

we traded away the guy who generated the most open 3s for us along with the guy who took and made the most 3's for us. now it's pretty much up to brunson to be a floor general which isn't what he is. he's a scoring PG and asking him to become a completely different player is a stretch. the PnR with KAT is deadly but 9/10 times brunson is only running it with himself in mind, same way he does with any other PnR

We took more threes per game last season after Randle got hurt, so the idea that he was generating looks doesn't really hold up. KAT can be used to help generate three point looks, he's a good enough passer that putting in the spots Ihart operated from last season would get us more flow on offense, but that's not how he's being used.


Losing Donte should be offset by KAT's three point shooting volume, but he's only taking 2 per game, which is the 2nd lowest of his career.

probably because randle got hurt shortly after the trades and we added better shooting and played at a faster pace. but theres no denying the numbers showing everyone on the roster shooting higher % from 3 and higher % of 3's taken from the corner with randle on. the numbers are there to back it up

KAT isn't commanding doubles anywhere and isn't a primary playmaker like randle could be. add that we only have score first PG's getting playing time, no more ddv running all over the place. I'm not surprised where we are right now

The things you're saying just aren't adding up, the differences you're talking about are negligible, as in we made .2 more threes with him on the roster than without. We even averaged more assists per game last season without him. You're speaking like we lost Nikola Jokic or something, what we lost should be made up for with KAT & Mikal's passing, just like the offense we lost was made up for a lot by Ihart's passing.

What's happening right now is that guys are taking less threes than they normally would because Tom seems really invested in post ups. We are second in the league in post up frequency, which makes absolutely no sense, he's getting caught up in the floor inversion and instead of hunting threes like any team that's built like us he's having guys post up. Who is commanding double teams on the Bulls? They're taking nearly 50 threes a game right now, last year before the Siakam trade the Pacers were taking nearly 40 a game, who on that team was getting doubles?

We have more than enough in the way of shooting and shot creation that the baseline offense should be 1. Get a three 2. Get to the rim 3. take middie if you can't get to the rim, with ball movement being the key.

[The KnicksFix]

honestly think that hukporti next to towns is a sickkkk matchup
Why dont we pair towns with huk, situationally and run them with OG Brunson mikal
Then have deuce payne hart and Mitch with precious off the bench
Hopefully soon we can drop payne for kolek

[prophet_of_rage]

Julius Randle is better than KAT, unfortunately for us...

In the role we need. This is a total build around Jalen which is a mistake for the basketball reasons I set out from the announcement of the trade.

KAT doesn't create with the ball or callapse a defence like Randle. We need somebody who can do that.

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[prophet_of_rage]

We took more threes per game last season after Randle got hurt, so the idea that he was generating looks doesn't really hold up. KAT can be used to help generate three point looks, he's a good enough passer that putting in the spots Ihart operated from last season would get us more flow on offense, but that's not how he's being used.


Losing Donte should be offset by KAT's three point shooting volume, but he's only taking 2 per game, which is the 2nd lowest of his career.

probably because randle got hurt shortly after the trades and we added better shooting and played at a faster pace. but theres no denying the numbers showing everyone on the roster shooting higher % from 3 and higher % of 3's taken from the corner with randle on. the numbers are there to back it up

KAT isn't commanding doubles anywhere and isn't a primary playmaker like randle could be. add that we only have score first PG's getting playing time, no more ddv running all over the place. I'm not surprised where we are right now

The things you're saying just aren't adding up, the differences you're talking about are negligible, as in we made .2 more threes with him on the roster than without. We even averaged more assists per game last season without him. You're speaking like we lost Nikola Jokic or something, what we lost should be made up for with KAT & Mikal's passing, just like the offense we lost was made up for a lot by Ihart's passing.

What's happening right now is that guys are taking less threes than they normally would because Tom seems really invested in post ups. We are second in the league in post up frequency, which makes absolutely no sense, he's getting caught up in the floor inversion and instead of hunting threes like any team that's built like us he's having guys post up. Who is commanding double teams on the Bulls? They're taking nearly 50 threes a game right now, last year before the Siakam trade the Pacers were taking nearly 40 a game, who on that team was getting doubles?

We have more than enough in the way of shooting and shot creation that the baseline offense should be 1. Get a three 2. Get to the rim 3. take middie if you can't get to the rim, with ball movement being the key.

Thibs generates 3s off the spray out of the post. He's trying to fit KAT into Julius' spot because he didn't have enough time for new plays.

Who should be in the Randle role is Josh Hart. He can do everything Randle did.

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[prophet_of_rage]

We took more threes per game last season after Randle got hurt, so the idea that he was generating looks doesn't really hold up. KAT can be used to help generate three point looks, he's a good enough passer that putting in the spots Ihart operated from last season would get us more flow on offense, but that's not how he's being used.


Losing Donte should be offset by KAT's three point shooting volume, but he's only taking 2 per game, which is the 2nd lowest of his career.

probably because randle got hurt shortly after the trades and we added better shooting and played at a faster pace. but theres no denying the numbers showing everyone on the roster shooting higher % from 3 and higher % of 3's taken from the corner with randle on. the numbers are there to back it up

KAT isn't commanding doubles anywhere and isn't a primary playmaker like randle could be. add that we only have score first PG's getting playing time, no more ddv running all over the place. I'm not surprised where we are right now

The things you're saying just aren't adding up, the differences you're talking about are negligible, as in we made .2 more threes with him on the roster than without. We even averaged more assists per game last season without him. You're speaking like we lost Nikola Jokic or something, what we lost should be made up for with KAT & Mikal's passing, just like the offense we lost was made up for a lot by Ihart's passing.

What's happening right now is that guys are taking less threes than they normally would because Tom seems really invested in post ups. We are second in the league in post up frequency, which makes absolutely no sense, he's getting caught up in the floor inversion and instead of hunting threes like any team that's built like us he's having guys post up. Who is commanding double teams on the Bulls? They're taking nearly 50 threes a game right now, last year before the Siakam trade the Pacers were taking nearly 40 a game, who on that team was getting doubles?

We have more than enough in the way of shooting and shot creation that the baseline offense should be 1. Get a three 2. Get to the rim 3. take middie if you can't get to the rim, with ball movement being the key.

We don't really hsve shot creation.

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people in here laughed at me when I said randle was the alpha of the team that kept brunsons diva in check. I told them we were gonna see brunson forcing shots and playing hero ball even if he doesn't have it that night and they posted memes and jokes.

people don't pay attention to team dynamics as much as they pretend to

Yet somehow they made it further in the postseason without Randle than they ever did with him.
It's really hard to take some posters seriously in here...

If Brunson is a diva, then wtf is Randle?

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[dakomish23]

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[matchman]

They kept switching their bigs onto Brunson and with the best big man shooter of all time we couldn't make them pay. We went away from Bridges when he couldn't miss. Then there were those Payne disaster minutes.

Huk looked good so one bright spot. That call on his dunk was some BS.

That is obviously a rookie call, if Embiid or Jokic did the same thing the clip would be replaying for a dozen times in ESPN already.

[GettinitDone]

I don't like this offense much, we're the last year's Suns of the East... in halfcourt, there's 1 pass and then it's this possession your turn, next possession my turn, next possession his turn, between JB, KAT, Mikal, sometimes OG. They just make 1 pass to one of the 3 and it's dribble dribble dribble and shoot/ layup. The only guys really moving the ball are Deuce, Hart basically the rest of the guys but that's only because they don't have the offensive skills or green light JB, KAT, and Mikal have.

The ball movement sucks, only 1 pass + iso, too much dribbling. Right now we're slightly above mid cuz Mikal, JB and KAT are very good/ great scorers, but when they don't light it up, we're not exactly stopping anyone defensively, opposing 4s and 5s just go straight at KAT, and the wing stop has worked below expectations so far... I think we'd be #5 or #4 seed at best if nothing changes.

This is where we dearly miss Divo imo, his shot creation, off ball movement inside and outside the 3 pt create tons of opportunities for himself and his teammates (including JB), his energy, his vocal leadership, are all missed.

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Btw, I can't go for anyone being a player's fan at the expense of the Knicks. Melo if you wanna root for Randle so bad why not go to Wolves board, or go to Blazers board to root for Ayton? Why you root for all these 2nd tier All Star, INEFFICIENT high volume scorers Randle, Ayton, Melo, Olympic Tatum anyway, who's your 1? and Marbury??

I grieve the loss of Divo, but I don't **** on KAT, I have to root for the guy that's on this team.

[spree2kawhi]

Julius Randle is better than KAT, unfortunately for us...

In the role we need. This is a total build around Jalen which is a mistake for the basketball reasons I set out from the announcement of the trade.

KAT doesn't create with the ball or callapse a defence like Randle. We need somebody who can do that.

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He does play drive and kick a lot, which is also the only way of creating Randle does.

[Gravy]

-Garland went off. sheesh

-Feels like Towns has to be two players we lost, on offense he has to replace Randle and on defense he has to be Ihart. He's a different player than both of them and the team is getting used to him. Its going to take time

-Mobley and the Cavs took advantage of rookie Huk and the Knicks bench lack of size in the 2nd half. We need Precious back soon.

[thebuzzardman]

This team kind of sucks. Not that into it. Knicks managed to take a good team and make it mediocre. Maybe next year, after yet another trade.

[thebuzzardman]

-Garland went off. sheesh

-Feels like Towns has to be two players we lost, on offense he has to replace Randle and on defense he has to be Ihart. He's a different player than both of them and the team is getting used to him. Its going to take time

-Mobley and the Cavs took advantage of rookie Huk and the Knicks bench lack of size in the 2nd half. We need Precious back soon.

If only the team had two or three defensive wings to mitigate this kind of thing, the Knicks would have had a chance to win

[thebuzzardman]

Losing sucks - feels bad.

Guess that comes with having high expectations for this team. Should be a fun year seeing how everything comes together.

Just hope the team can stay healthy. They didn't survive the bench mins well at all. But Brunson playing so poorly didn't help at all.

So far the season doesn't feel like fun

[thebuzzardman]

Getting coaches who’ve lost their passion and creativity has been a long problem. Thibs should not treat this as if he’s a distant manager. Coach. Who cares if JB hates you. Re-grow a set. I know he has an occasional bad game but that’s why PGs are tricky as your best scorers. JB has to move the ball and be clever. Driving into set defenders can’t happen.

He's reliant on isolation scorers, there should be more sets where Bridges works on running PnR with KAT, sets where KAT is in the hub passer like Ihart was, and when teams don't guard Josh get him in the PnR with Brunson and use him on dives like the Warriors use Draymond. The lack of imagination on offense has been gross.

Basically the Knicks got the right players to play with Brunson but now have the wrong coach.

What is Jay Wright up to?

[spree2kawhi]

Getting coaches who’ve lost their passion and creativity has been a long problem. Thibs should not treat this as if he’s a distant manager. Coach. Who cares if JB hates you. Re-grow a set. I know he has an occasional bad game but that’s why PGs are tricky as your best scorers. JB has to move the ball and be clever. Driving into set defenders can’t happen.

He's reliant on isolation scorers, there should be more sets where Bridges works on running PnR with KAT, sets where KAT is in the hub passer like Ihart was, and when teams don't guard Josh get him in the PnR with Brunson and use him on dives like the Warriors use Draymond. The lack of imagination on offense has been gross.

Basically the Knicks got the right players to play with Brunson but now have the wrong coach.

What is Jay Wright up to?

Just give it four weeks, please. We’re good. This is the most balanced roster in the league outside of Boston and maybe OKC. Cleveland is a very good team and they’ve been together for a long time.

[knicks94]

Best Knicks team ever!

[gavran]

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Yes. I have 5 posters on my ignore list.

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Blocking poster seems like asking for no spice at a restaurant.

I'd rather have my face melt off than go out like that.

Too much spice gives you diarrehea at your mother's funeral.