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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#202 » by RHODEY » Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:22 pm

I will repeat this into reality.

When Mitch is health put him at Center
When MCCullar is healthy and tunr out to be the reall deal put him at SG.

Starters

Mitch(Center) 7'0"
Towns 7'0 (PF) 7'0"
O.G. (SF)6'7.5"
McCullar (SG) 6'6"
Bruson (PG) 6'2'


Bench
Mcbride
Precious
Hart
Bridges
Payne

If necessary com Feb Move Kolek and Hukporti for Kessler and call it a day.


Team improves because now you have a starting lineup that can defend and score, is big , and OG is playing his natural position. .

The bench is back to being elite. Defense will be back better than ever

Make it happen Leon.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#203 » by Capn'O » Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:24 pm

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The Mavs were down 2 starters last night, there's no sanitizing this loss. The lineup we played yesterday has played more games together than that rag tag lineup the Mavs were using, that was only the 6th game Naji has started this year, and only the 42nd time he's started in his career.

the short handed new knicks lost to the defending western conference champs. period.


We're short handed, but the team missing their top 5 player isn't short handed? They don't make it out the first round without Luka, labeling them WCF champs while Luka is out is crazy work.


That was a bad loss.


I'll split the difference here. A good team can put together a good short term run without their best player by adopting a different identity. Those Mavs were down talent but were like a souped up version of that Jazz team without Luka. They were a tough out last night.

The bad news is we have a hard time with those kinds of teams.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#204 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:25 pm

RHODEY wrote:I will repeat this into reality.

When Mitch is health put him at Center
When MCCullar is healthy and tunr out to be the reall deal put him at SG.

Starters

Mitch(Center) 7'0"
Towns 7'0 (PF) 7'0"
O.G. (SF)6'7.5"
McCullar (SG) 6'6"
Bruson (PG) 6'2'


Bench
Mcbride
Precious
Hart
Bridges
Payne

If necessary com Feb Move Kolek and Hukporti for Kessler and call it a day.


Team improves because now you have a starting lineup that can defend and score, is big , and OG is playing his natural position. .

The bench is back to being elite. Defense will be back better than ever

Make it happen Leon.




:lol: They aren't starting McCullar.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#205 » by prophet_of_rage » Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:38 pm

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I'd thought we'd offered iHart our max under the current CBA, and OKC just basically doubled that because they could?

If we could have offered more but didn't, and that was the reason iHart is not here...then yeah, that really, really sucks....


I'm talking about the summer of 22? when we originally signed him. We signed him to a 2 year deal instead of a 3 year which put us in the predicament we found last summer. By that point there was nothing we could do. I do believe we offered him our max.

At the time, I was critical that we didn't get full Bird rights by offering him a 3 year but if he was betting on himself that ball may never have been in our court.


You have a good eye for talent then. I did not expect iHart to blossom the way he did--yet another player that Thibs helped reach his potential. Ironically, if we somehow had our current starting five PLUS iHart and Donte, I firmly believe we'd be competing with Boston now.
IHart was talented in LAC, too.

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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#206 » by RHODEY » Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:47 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
RHODEY wrote:I will repeat this into reality.

When Mitch is health put him at Center
When MCCullar is healthy and tunr out to be the reall deal put him at SG.

Starters

Mitch(Center) 7'0"
Towns 7'0 (PF) 7'0"
O.G. (SF)6'7.5"
McCullar (SG) 6'6"
Bruson (PG) 6'2'


Bench
Mcbride
Precious
Hart
Bridges
Payne

If necessary com Feb Move Kolek and Hukporti for Kessler and call it a day.


Team improves because now you have a starting lineup that can defend and score, is big , and OG is playing his natural position. .

The bench is back to being elite. Defense will be back better than ever

Make it happen Leon.




:lol: They aren't starting McCullar.


I bet he plays way better defense than Bridges :D
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#207 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:55 pm

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I'm talking about the summer of 22? when we originally signed him. We signed him to a 2 year deal instead of a 3 year which put us in the predicament we found last summer. By that point there was nothing we could do. I do believe we offered him our max.

At the time, I was critical that we didn't get full Bird rights by offering him a 3 year but if he was betting on himself that ball may never have been in our court.


You have a good eye for talent then. I did not expect iHart to blossom the way he did--yet another player that Thibs helped reach his potential. Ironically, if we somehow had our current starting five PLUS iHart and Donte, I firmly believe we'd be competing with Boston now.
IHart was talented in LAC, too.

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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#208 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:10 pm

RHODEY wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
RHODEY wrote:I will repeat this into reality.

When Mitch is health put him at Center
When MCCullar is healthy and tunr out to be the reall deal put him at SG.

Starters

Mitch(Center) 7'0"
Towns 7'0 (PF) 7'0"
O.G. (SF)6'7.5"
McCullar (SG) 6'6"
Bruson (PG) 6'2'


Bench
Mcbride
Precious
Hart
Bridges
Payne

If necessary com Feb Move Kolek and Hukporti for Kessler and call it a day.


Team improves because now you have a starting lineup that can defend and score, is big , and OG is playing his natural position. .

The bench is back to being elite. Defense will be back better than ever

Make it happen Leon.




:lol: They aren't starting McCullar.


I bet he plays way better defense than Bridges :D



I doubt he plays even a second outside of Westchester.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#209 » by Orange Mamba » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:14 pm

Brunson Deuce OG KAT Mitch

would be an interesting lineup. Now I'm not advocating for it to be our starting lineup but you have a POA defender, a rim protector, OG doing his thing. Brunson and KAT offense. Everyone can shoot outside of Mitch
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#210 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:18 pm

I don't think people really understand how bad Mikal's offense is right now.

He's at a career high in minutes, yet career low in at rim attempts, career low in three point percentage, career low in TS%, career low freethrow attempt rate. He's turned into mostly a mid-range shooter that doesn't think of attacking the basket and is going out of his way to avoid contact.

The man has not attempted a single freethrow in 7 games.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#211 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:20 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I don't think people really understand how bad Mikal's offense is right now.

He's at a career high in minutes, yet career low in at rim attempts, career low in three point percentage, career low in TS%, career low freethrow attempt rate. He's turned into mostly a mid-range shooter that doesn't think of attacking the basket and is going out of his way to avoid contact.

The man has not attempted a single freethrow in 7 games.


And Mp keeps trying to downplay it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’s been Terrrrribleeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post#212 » by thebuzzardman » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:24 pm

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thebuzzardman wrote:Didn't watch. Thibs got totally outcoached again didn't he?


Yes, because coaching is the reason the Knicks shot 26%fg and 19%3pt in the first half, he should just coach harder that lazy bum.

Part of coaching is adapting when starters don't have it.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#213 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:25 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I don't think people really understand how bad Mikal's offense is right now.

He's at a career high in minutes, yet career low in at rim attempts, career low in three point percentage, career low in TS%, career low freethrow attempt rate. He's turned into mostly a mid-range shooter that doesn't think of attacking the basket and is going out of his way to avoid contact.

The man has not attempted a single freethrow in 7 games.


And Mp keeps trying to downplay it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He’s been Terrrrribleeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#214 » by prophet_of_rage » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:29 pm

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We played 8 guys, they're also down starters and rotation players and played 10. It's inexcusable the minutes load Tom gives these guys, take him out for 5 minutes and see if someone on the bench can give you something or if just resting a bit longer can help him find his second wind.

This happened in the second Pacers game, where our guys were dead tired because he played a 7 man rotation vs the Pacers who played 10 guys, they were looking for anything off the bench and found some energetic minutes from their 19 year old rookie who didn't score but sped up the game by sprinting down the court and just tiring our guys out. We're running playoff style rotations in November and have been since the start of the season.


I think we have bigger issues going on that just fatigue. I think they haven’t figured out how to get the offense flowing against the better defensive matchups. We have a pretty easy schedule in December so we really aren’t going to get a test like this for too many more games before January. Beating up on the Nets and Wizards is cool but figuring out how to beat good teams is still something this team needs to learn how to do.

Also the Pacers play a very fast and uptempo style and Carlisle likes to keep his guys fresh so they can fly up the floor. We play at the slowest pace in the league. We don’t burn out as quickly as the teams playing uptempo

This. I'm not sure if people actually watch or just look at the season offensive rating and say "not worried about the offense".

This offense has been stifled multiple times against good switching defenses. Even bad ones like the jazz. We've lost multiple games down the stretch when our offense fell apart.

Overall the offense has been very good and the defense is worse than expected. with that said there is absolutely reason to be concerned about this offense against the best defenses. Specifically teams with the personnel/scheme to switch everything.
The offence is fatally flawed. We can't shift gears. Everybpdy plays the same way. We don't have a lot of different ways to score and our subs are duplicates of our starters.

This is Thibs' flaw. His preparation doesn't allow for spontaneity.

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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#215 » by RHODEY » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:31 pm

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:lol: They aren't starting McCullar.


I bet he plays way better defense than Bridges :D



I doubt he plays even a second outside of Westchester.


Dude is 23, a taller Josh Hart who can contribute immediately.....do it Thibs!
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#216 » by TheGreenArrow » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:33 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I don't think people really understand how bad Mikal's offense is right now.

He's at a career high in minutes, yet career low in at rim attempts, career low in three point percentage, career low in TS%, career low freethrow attempt rate. He's turned into mostly a mid-range shooter that doesn't think of attacking the basket and is going out of his way to avoid contact.

The man has not attempted a single freethrow in 7 games.


And Mp keeps trying to downplay it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post#217 » by HEZI » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:41 pm

Mikal is soft. I don’t remember him being this soft in Phoenix, not sure what happened to him since, but he’s soft. There’s no grit to his game, all finesse, doesn’t even get after it defensively, can’t get around a screen, can’t stay in front of his man, avoids contact on both ends. I’m not sure how KAT got that label but when you think of soft the Mikal Bridges we are seeing is that. He is like the complete opposite of OG
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Post#218 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:43 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:I don't think people really understand how bad Mikal's offense is right now.

He's at a career high in minutes, yet career low in at rim attempts, career low in three point percentage, career low in TS%, career low freethrow attempt rate. He's turned into mostly a mid-range shooter that doesn't think of attacking the basket and is going out of his way to avoid contact.

The man has not attempted a single freethrow in 7 games.

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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#219 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:46 pm

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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Mavericks (They Left Their Offense in Denver) 

Post#220 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:53 pm

HEZI wrote:Mikal is soft. I don’t remember him being this soft in Phoenix, not sure what happened to him since, but he’s soft. There’s no grit to his game, all finesse, doesn’t even get after it defensively, can’t get around a screen, can’t stay in front of his man, avoids contact on both ends. I’m not sure how KAT got that label but when you think of soft the Mikal Bridges we are seeing is that. He is like the complete opposite of OG


This is sadly true. Man avoids contact at all costs. Works for his step back mid-ranges, but nothing else is helped by his softness.

Screeners treat him like a baby wipe and take him out on the regular.

Look at Deuce fight over screens and then look at Mikal. He's got no fire in him.

It's a shame. This team requires gritty players and so far Mikal is anything but that.

He should average 2 or more trips to the FT stripe minimum and he goes weeks without taking a FT. This is such a crazy non-stat it defies all logic.

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