Thibs needs to go

[Context]

Yet none of his players complain once due to the power of...

https://youtube.com/shorts/3HMyOIAeFnk?si=nWNhWS4U9ZwTrOsZ

I'm not sure of your point? sarcasm? humor?

The only people who wants Thib gone are the fans. NOT his players nor the organization. That's the power of....

Nba players -who played with/for Thibs. Feel the way many of us do... If Thibs woke up tomorrow morning and evolved. No one would want him gone. It's nothing personal. You cant play 98 games of NBA basketball
-having 4 guys playing the most minutes of all 450 NBA players in the league

This has nothing to do with love

[WentzerWuver]

I'm not sure of your point? sarcasm? humor?

The only people who wants Thib gone are the fans. NOT his players nor the organization. That's the power of....

Nba players -who played with/for Thibs. Feel the way many of us do. If Thibs woke up tomorrow orning and evolved. No one would want him gone. It's nothing personal. You cant play 98 of NBA basket ball
having 4 guys playing the most minutes of all 450 NBA players in the league

This has nothing to do with love

Well I will watch the following movie while considering the validity of your argument, which is compelling.

https://youtube.com/shorts/1JYdlxYCq3g?si=ek46MYLJucMf42Mu

[FrozenEnvelope]

Funny cause both Pierce and KG played over 37 mpg in their primes and even averaged 40 mpg in some seasons and I don't remember them complaining about minutes or being tired.

[Montmorencie]

no

[JayTWill]

Funny cause both Pierce and KG played over 37 mpg in their primes and even averaged 40 mpg in some seasons and I don't remember them complaining about minutes or being tired.

Wilt Chamberlain averaged 48.5 mpg in 1962. So?

[3toheadmelo]

I'm not sure of your point? sarcasm? humor?

The only people who wants Thib gone are the fans. NOT his players nor the organization. That's the power of....

Nba players -who played with/for Thibs. Feel the way many of us do... If Thibs woke up tomorrow morning and evolved. No one would want him gone. It's nothing personal. You cant play 98 games of NBA basketball
-having 4 guys playing the most minutes of all 450 NBA players in the league

This has nothing to do with love

I agree Thibs overplays his guys and needs to chill with that, but players absolutely love playing for him. Paul Pierce and KG never played for Thibs when he was the head coach.

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[Context]

The only people who wants Thib gone are the fans. NOT his players nor the organization. That's the power of....

Nba players -who played with/for Thibs. Feel the way many of us do... If Thibs woke up tomorrow morning and evolved. No one would want him gone. It's nothing personal. You cant play 98 games of NBA basketball
-having 4 guys playing the most minutes of all 450 NBA players in the league

This has nothing to do with love

I agree Thibs overplays his guys and needs to chill with that, but players absolutely love playing for him. Paul Pierce and KG never played for Thibs when he was the head coach.

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Mel, whether you’re playing for a head coach or just the defensive coach or even assistant coach- you are being coached - you are being lead by that person.
Ironically, Thibs became a head coach but his career this far has panned out just as KG said it would.

Again, I like Thibs a lot. I respect his elite dedication to his job. Not many people are lifers
at what they do. Thibs may eventually succeed-
getting it done his way. Still-doesn’t change the fact that elite teams today have developed benches. Benches that contain guys that are not that special -yet, they provide meaningful minutes.

A healthy Mitch could bail out Thibs along with
some fortunate minor moves. That being said,
I can’t ignore Thibs kryptonite.

[ctuk]

This was a great watch thank you for the link! I've been watching a decent amount of the grizz on league pass this year (primarily because of JA tbh) but I've noticed how much space they have on the court with multiple "non-shooters" on the court at the same time.

Saw a ton of gobert screens and was instantly hooked because the wiz with wall & gortat were so fun to watch. Obviously he's nowhere near talented enough or proven enough atm but I can see Hukporti thriving in a system like this. He's shown the ability to quickly changes angles on screens and is already great at slipping them.

A thread to unify the general bewilderment at Thibs' minutes allocations and other coaching sins.

The Knicks should replace him with Tuomas Iisalo (or possibly Thiago Splitter(!)).

Watch on YouTube

[Clyde_Style]

This was a great watch thank you for the link! I've been watching a decent amount of the grizz on league pass this year (primarily because of JA tbh) but I've noticed how much space they have on the court with multiple "non-shooters" on the court at the same time.

Saw a ton of gobert screens and was instantly hooked because the wiz with wall & gortat were so fun to watch. Obviously he's nowhere near talented enough or proven enough atm but I can see Hukporti thriving in a system like this. He's shown the ability to quickly changes angles on screens and is already great at slipping them.

A thread to unify the general bewilderment at Thibs' minutes allocations and other coaching sins.

The Knicks should replace him with Tuomas Iisalo (or possibly Thiago Splitter(!)).

Watch on YouTube

Interesting seeing how he uses off-ball movement to cause confusion among the defense which leads to either/or defensive switch decisions and creates an open man.

I agree about Hukporti being able to do this kind of work like sealing off the bigs from defending the penetrator. What was immediately apparent as soon as I saw Huk play is he had a strong grasp of PnR footwork and he was very easy to play off of if you're a facilitator. Naturally, I'm quite disappointed he and Kolek have not had that opportunity, because they are both naturally adept at it.

[Tomato Sauce]

We gone be straight. Just call up TJ Warren and get Mitch back out there.

Oh and find a new head coach

[HerSports85]

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[ctuk]

I think a big part of why Huk is so advanced in terms of screening compared to the rest of our bigs is because he developed in Australia and Germany. Both leagues keep producing prodigious talent from those regions and a lot of those coaches borrow ideas from each other.

Lisaolo sends 5 guys for offensive rebounds and uses 7 seconds or less suns as an offensive templet. The concept of sending all 5 guys for offensive boards came from a coach in Australia and apparently after Lisalo implemented it his team actually got better in defensive transition and had a 30% jump in offensive rebounds. Any coach will tell you extra possessions is paramount to winning. I'll include the link to the interview at the bottom if you're interested.

I agree with you 100% on Kolek and Huk. They've shown high iq and advanced playmaking ability from both positions. It's unfortunate that we have a stubborn coach that won't let them play.

https://youtu.be/kDW-YU_4crs?si=GIcTxZ33gCb5zgD2&t=3307

This was a great watch thank you for the link! I've been watching a decent amount of the grizz on league pass this year (primarily because of JA tbh) but I've noticed how much space they have on the court with multiple "non-shooters" on the court at the same time.

Saw a ton of gobert screens and was instantly hooked because the wiz with wall & gortat were so fun to watch. Obviously he's nowhere near talented enough or proven enough atm but I can see Hukporti thriving in a system like this. He's shown the ability to quickly changes angles on screens and is already great at slipping them.

A thread to unify the general bewilderment at Thibs' minutes allocations and other coaching sins.

The Knicks should replace him with Tuomas Iisalo (or possibly Thiago Splitter(!)).

Watch on YouTube

Interesting seeing how he uses off-ball movement to cause confusion among the defense which leads to either/or defensive switch decisions and creates an open man.

I agree about Hukporti being able to do this kind of work like sealing off the bigs from defending the penetrator. What was immediately apparent as soon as I saw Huk play is he had a strong grasp of PnR footwork and he was very easy to play off of if you're a facilitator. Naturally, I'm quite disappointed he and Kolek have not had that opportunity, because they are both naturally adept at it.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I think a big part of why Huk is so advanced in terms of screening compared to the rest of our bigs is because he developed in Australia and Germany. Both leagues keep producing prodigious talent from those regions and a lot of those coaches borrow ideas from each other.

Lisaolo sends 5 guys for offensive rebounds and uses 7 seconds or less suns as an offensive templet. The concept of sending all 5 guys for offensive boards came from a coach in Australia and apparently after Lisalo implemented it his team actually got better in defensive transition and had a 30% jump in offensive rebounds. Any coach will tell you extra possessions is paramount to winning. I'll include the link to the interview at the bottom if you're interested.

I agree with you 100% on Kolek and Huk. They've shown high iq and advanced playmaking ability from both positions. It's unfortunate that we have a stubborn coach that won't let them play.

https://youtu.be/kDW-YU_4crs?si=GIcTxZ33gCb5zgD2&t=3307

This was a great watch thank you for the link! I've been watching a decent amount of the grizz on league pass this year (primarily because of JA tbh) but I've noticed how much space they have on the court with multiple "non-shooters" on the court at the same time.

Saw a ton of gobert screens and was instantly hooked because the wiz with wall & gortat were so fun to watch. Obviously he's nowhere near talented enough or proven enough atm but I can see Hukporti thriving in a system like this. He's shown the ability to quickly changes angles on screens and is already great at slipping them.

Interesting seeing how he uses off-ball movement to cause confusion among the defense which leads to either/or defensive switch decisions and creates an open man.

I agree about Hukporti being able to do this kind of work like sealing off the bigs from defending the penetrator. What was immediately apparent as soon as I saw Huk play is he had a strong grasp of PnR footwork and he was very easy to play off of if you're a facilitator. Naturally, I'm quite disappointed he and Kolek have not had that opportunity, because they are both naturally adept at it.

That is a great interview with Iisalo. Thank you ctuk.

And he's so on point about trying to improve the TS% rather than just thinking about spamming 3s.

The Knicks need this guy badly imo.

[ctuk]

Couldn't agree more with you my brother. His philosophy fits our roster perfectly. The types of players he targets are already here too it would be a perfect fit! We have more length than Memphis, and just as much speed across the board on our roster (minus Ja of course).

I think a big part of why Huk is so advanced in terms of screening compared to the rest of our bigs is because he developed in Australia and Germany. Both leagues keep producing prodigious talent from those regions and a lot of those coaches borrow ideas from each other.

Lisaolo sends 5 guys for offensive rebounds and uses 7 seconds or less suns as an offensive templet. The concept of sending all 5 guys for offensive boards came from a coach in Australia and apparently after Lisalo implemented it his team actually got better in defensive transition and had a 30% jump in offensive rebounds. Any coach will tell you extra possessions is paramount to winning. I'll include the link to the interview at the bottom if you're interested.

I agree with you 100% on Kolek and Huk. They've shown high iq and advanced playmaking ability from both positions. It's unfortunate that we have a stubborn coach that won't let them play.

https://youtu.be/kDW-YU_4crs?si=GIcTxZ33gCb5zgD2&t=3307

Interesting seeing how he uses off-ball movement to cause confusion among the defense which leads to either/or defensive switch decisions and creates an open man.

I agree about Hukporti being able to do this kind of work like sealing off the bigs from defending the penetrator. What was immediately apparent as soon as I saw Huk play is he had a strong grasp of PnR footwork and he was very easy to play off of if you're a facilitator. Naturally, I'm quite disappointed he and Kolek have not had that opportunity, because they are both naturally adept at it.

That is a great interview with Iisalo. Thank you ctuk.

And he's so on point about trying to improve the TS% rather than just thinking about spamming 3s.

The Knicks need this guy badly imo.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Couldn't agree more with you my brother. His philosophy fits our roster perfectly. The types of players he targets are already here too it would be a perfect fit! We have more length than Memphis, and just as much speed across the board on our roster (minus Ja of course).

I think a big part of why Huk is so advanced in terms of screening compared to the rest of our bigs is because he developed in Australia and Germany. Both leagues keep producing prodigious talent from those regions and a lot of those coaches borrow ideas from each other.

Lisaolo sends 5 guys for offensive rebounds and uses 7 seconds or less suns as an offensive templet. The concept of sending all 5 guys for offensive boards came from a coach in Australia and apparently after Lisalo implemented it his team actually got better in defensive transition and had a 30% jump in offensive rebounds. Any coach will tell you extra possessions is paramount to winning. I'll include the link to the interview at the bottom if you're interested.

I agree with you 100% on Kolek and Huk. They've shown high iq and advanced playmaking ability from both positions. It's unfortunate that we have a stubborn coach that won't let them play.

https://youtu.be/kDW-YU_4crs?si=GIcTxZ33gCb5zgD2&t=3307

That is a great interview with Iisalo. Thank you ctuk.

And he's so on point about trying to improve the TS% rather than just thinking about spamming 3s.

The Knicks need this guy badly imo.

I absolutely agree. I mean the Knicks clearly need a coach with better ideas - whatever those may be - but this guy clearly fits extremely well with the already existing playing personnel.

[GettinitDone]

The only people who wants Thib gone are the fans. NOT his players nor the organization. That's the power of....

Nba players -who played with/for Thibs. Feel the way many of us do... If Thibs woke up tomorrow morning and evolved. No one would want him gone. It's nothing personal. You cant play 98 games of NBA basketball
-having 4 guys playing the most minutes of all 450 NBA players in the league

This has nothing to do with love

I agree Thibs overplays his guys and needs to chill with that, but players absolutely love playing for him. Paul Pierce and KG never played for Thibs when he was the head coach.

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Players? You mean STARTERS love playing for him

Bench players wanna kill him. I mean can you imagine being a rookie bench player trying to make it in this L and Thibs is your coach?? Even success stories like Deuce who has gone from a garbage minute/ DNP-CDs player to a regular rotational player, he's still not getting consistently 20 mpg a night, some games he still plays 8-14 mins...

No secret players need playing time and trust to grow. You can't expect to excel at anything if you know in the back of your mind you're benched the moment you make a mistake. You're gonna overthink things.

It's 1 thing for your coach to give you plenty opportunities but you're a bust, it's another thing for you to become a real bust just cuz you don't get actual opportunities.

What if Deuce was supposed to be a fringe all star player if he had played for another coach who gave him 10mpg as a rookie that steadily increased over time, but years of "conditioning" under Thibs has now made him think he's just a bench player at best for his whole career?

If you were Huk, you must aspire to be an All Star one day, you wanna go to an Amare Stoudemire level.

If you were Kolek, you must aspire to be an All Star, you wanna dream to be Steve Nash one day.

Long shots? Yes but noone aspires to be "just a bench player" for a career, almost everyone aspires to be great in their field.

They can understand as rooks they have to start coming off the bench, maybe 8-12 mpg, but to receive DNP-CDs/ 1-2 mpg for months - years "condition" them to think they're just scrubs, and sadly when people are conditioned they start to act, behave and be the very thing they're conditioned to be.

I'm fine with players labeled as scrubs because they prove to be scrubs in the plenty opportunities they receive... I'm not fine with players labeled as scrubs but they hardly play

[GettinitDone]

I think a big part of why Huk is so advanced in terms of screening compared to the rest of our bigs is because he developed in Australia and Germany. Both leagues keep producing prodigious talent from those regions and a lot of those coaches borrow ideas from each other.

Lisaolo sends 5 guys for offensive rebounds and uses 7 seconds or less suns as an offensive templet. The concept of sending all 5 guys for offensive boards came from a coach in Australia and apparently after Lisalo implemented it his team actually got better in defensive transition and had a 30% jump in offensive rebounds. Any coach will tell you extra possessions is paramount to winning. I'll include the link to the interview at the bottom if you're interested.

I agree with you 100% on Kolek and Huk. They've shown high iq and advanced playmaking ability from both positions. It's unfortunate that we have a stubborn coach that won't let them play.

https://youtu.be/kDW-YU_4crs?si=GIcTxZ33gCb5zgD2&t=3307

Interesting seeing how he uses off-ball movement to cause confusion among the defense which leads to either/or defensive switch decisions and creates an open man.

I agree about Hukporti being able to do this kind of work like sealing off the bigs from defending the penetrator. What was immediately apparent as soon as I saw Huk play is he had a strong grasp of PnR footwork and he was very easy to play off of if you're a facilitator. Naturally, I'm quite disappointed he and Kolek have not had that opportunity, because they are both naturally adept at it.

That is a great interview with Iisalo. Thank you ctuk.

And he's so on point about trying to improve the TS% rather than just thinking about spamming 3s.

The Knicks need this guy badly imo.

I'm onboard with this Iisalo dude... the off ball and cutting movements are unbelievable.

I found myself dozing off watching Knicks games this year... yesterday we were trailing only 5-10 pts, still very winnable, but I dozed off.. the style of play is so boring and kills camaraderie and team chemistry. Thibs was lucky he had players like Divo and iHart last year who naturally kept moving, screening, and relocating and they massively influenced the way their other teammates to play the same play.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm fine with players labeled as scrubs because they prove to be scrubs in the plenty opportunities they receive... I'm not fine with players labeled as scrubs but they hardly play

Bingo

[ctuk]

100% bro. If you look at Ihart and break down his game. He is literally the apex predator when it comes to screening in the nba. Thibs didn't start using his angled screening until Randle and Mitch went down. By January he had no choice but to let Ihart get loose. Now all of a sudden Brunson was cooking.

By the time the playoffs rolled around all of a sudden half of the screens set by ihart became gortat screens anytime JB wasn't trapped. This led to JB being the highest scorer in the playoffs. As great as thibs is at player development we are at an endgame situation now with the all in roster. So we can't really have a guy taking too long to make adjustments.

Sims can't do any of the elite level screening Ihart does, can't catch below his knees and his timing is off on lobs. Meanwhile Huk flashes all of Ihart's screening potential rn. I doubt they make the change at the end of the season unless a catastrophic injury or playoff sweep happens, but here's to hoping lol.

I think a big part of why Huk is so advanced in terms of screening compared to the rest of our bigs is because he developed in Australia and Germany. Both leagues keep producing prodigious talent from those regions and a lot of those coaches borrow ideas from each other.

Lisaolo sends 5 guys for offensive rebounds and uses 7 seconds or less suns as an offensive templet. The concept of sending all 5 guys for offensive boards came from a coach in Australia and apparently after Lisalo implemented it his team actually got better in defensive transition and had a 30% jump in offensive rebounds. Any coach will tell you extra possessions is paramount to winning. I'll include the link to the interview at the bottom if you're interested.

I agree with you 100% on Kolek and Huk. They've shown high iq and advanced playmaking ability from both positions. It's unfortunate that we have a stubborn coach that won't let them play.

https://youtu.be/kDW-YU_4crs?si=GIcTxZ33gCb5zgD2&t=3307

That is a great interview with Iisalo. Thank you ctuk.

And he's so on point about trying to improve the TS% rather than just thinking about spamming 3s.

The Knicks need this guy badly imo.

I'm onboard with this Iisalo dude... the off ball and cutting movements are unbelievable.

I found myself dozing off watching Knicks games this year... yesterday we were trailing only 5-10 pts, still very winnable, but I dozed off.. the style of play is so boring and kills camaraderie and team chemistry. Thibs was lucky he had players like Divo and iHart last year who naturally kept moving, screening, and relocating and they massively influenced the way their other teammates to play the same play.

[GettinitDone]

100% bro. If you look at Ihart and break down his game. He is literally the apex predator when it comes to screening in the nba. Thibs didn't start using his angled screening until Randle and Mitch went down. By January he had no choice but to let Ihart get loose. Now all of a sudden Brunson was cooking.

By the time the playoffs rolled around all of a sudden half of the screens set by ihart became gortat screens anytime JB wasn't trapped. This led to JB being the highest scorer in the playoffs. As great as thibs is at player development we are at an endgame situation now with the all in roster. So we can't really have a guy taking too long to make adjustments.

Sims can't do any of the elite level screening Ihart does, can't catch below his knees and his timing is off on lobs. Meanwhile Huk flashes all of Ihart's screening potential rn. I doubt they make the change at the end of the season unless a catastrophic injury or playoff sweep happens, but here's to hoping lol.

That is a great interview with Iisalo. Thank you ctuk.

And he's so on point about trying to improve the TS% rather than just thinking about spamming 3s.

The Knicks need this guy badly imo.

I'm onboard with this Iisalo dude... the off ball and cutting movements are unbelievable.

I found myself dozing off watching Knicks games this year... yesterday we were trailing only 5-10 pts, still very winnable, but I dozed off.. the style of play is so boring and kills camaraderie and team chemistry. Thibs was lucky he had players like Divo and iHart last year who naturally kept moving, screening, and relocating and they massively influenced the way their other teammates to play the same play.

iHart is a winning player, he literally won us Game 2 vs Philly, the monster offensive rebound off a Divo miss, the pass to OG who passed to Divo for the winning 3... and then the game sealing block on a downhill full speed Maxey who already beat him but he recovered... those stuff you can't teach.

Divo was a luxury weapon for us. No team could trade for Steph or Luka, so at 3rd in 3 pt makes he's basically the L's TOP 3 pt shooter a team could realistically get. And WE HAD HIM. His ability to catch and shoot, shoot off the dribble, get off shots with the smallest/ sliver of separation, even if a great defender was on him, he was able to generate open looks with constant off ball movement, and relocation. I'm surprised people think "he just makes 3 pointers" and another good 3 pt shooter else can easily replace him. NO, he made 3s at all time stuff, like historic/ Steph level stuff. He alone opened up our offense and imo allowed Randle and JB to feast.

At the time of the KAT trade, I was saying you don't just trade winning players like Divo... KAT has been great for us, but honestly finding a shooter who can make 3s on historic/ Steph level that impacts winning as much as he does is probably harder to find.

Also, honestly had we been able to resign IHart I don't think we made the KAT trade.

Again, KAT has been great and I'm no KAT hater by any means, but I wish we had kept those 2, even if it means keeping Randle, who I'm sure would be traded elsewhere if Minny wouldn't trade KAT just for Randle.