PG: fake contenders

[MrDollarBills]

Yeah nah. Mikal showed his ass but Tom is apart of the problem too and I want both gone this summer. It's not either or.

Package Mikal to Sacramento for Sabonis for all i care. Anything is better than staying put with someone who picks and chooses when he wants to compete.

I'm a noted mikal hater but hear me out. (Nodope, lookaway I'm politicking) This marriage is fcked. I'm not against trading mikal for a better player if that's an option this summer(a 2nd creator), but he is clearly not being utilized well under thibs and neither is kat. The worry though is he is going to get paid this summer and we're going to be stuck with him.

Idk, we gave up 5 picks for rip Hamilton and are upset that he can't take elite guys off the dribble. I hate it here. The finish line is in view and were cooked. Leon fcked up.

The team is kind of built around Brunson

Like, Mikal and KAT are both 3rd options, and while you can win with a #1 and 2 #3s, you need a really good coach to overcome that, which Thibs cannot

I think both Mikal and KAT have shown enough ability to create over the course of their careers to not be relegated to just c&s role players, but neither are good enough to just give the ball and say "go score" and have them be consistent every night like Brunson

The team is not untalented, a better coach would get more out of them. Cavs are the perfect example, Bickerstaff was pretty good (and still is, look how Detroit changed this year under him) but Atkinson is better and was able to get the most out of the team

We don't need a huge shakeup, we need a new coach and just time to gel. Oldest guys in the rotation are Cam Payne and Delon Wright, everybody else is under 30. Maybe it's just sunk cost fallacy, but I don't see why we would trade Mikal or KAT unless we're getting back a real upgrade without depleting the team even more. Stick with them a bit, be patient. But fire Thibs, dude is the limiting factor.

Good take.

I got pissed off because of last night and said what I said out of anger at Mikal, but realistically would Leon pivot? Probably not, especially if Brunson wants Mikal here as is.

Emotions are running high right now

[MrDollarBills]

I had to think for a second and step back.

This is who Mikal is. I know this, i said this when he got traded here:

Some nights he's the guy who hit that buzzer beater. Other nights he's a 17ppg role player.

Other nights he does what he did last night. Which is unacceptable.

But, I saw all of that when he was on that other team, so I'm thinking to myself why am I getting upset about something I already knew?

He's not an all star talent and his inconsistency has always been there.

[cgmw]

It wasn’t just this game, but I’ve pretty much lost all hope. Brunson will need to carry this team personally on his back to win more than 1 game in the second round.

Meanwhile, OKC thriving with Hartenstein while Donte bare-knuckle brawls. On the bright side, markets crashing + exposed pretenders = ticket prices for playoffs will be slightly less astronomical.

Where’s Buzz to cheer me up?

[knicks94]

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

KAT plays the 5. That's making our defense weaker. Randle has nothing to do with it. He didn't play defense. We lost Shart and Mitch and replaced them with KAT. The system we run defensively apparently can't succeed that way.

Randle was replaced by OG basically.

DDV was replaced by Mikal. That's not a downgrade.

Last year we had a potential contender for a month. 14 games. That's it. Not the best of sample sizes to be comparing to the 3 seed this season after 70 games. The team that actually got to the 2 seed and the second round isn't even the same team.

We had no control over losing Shart or Mitch. They weren't giving Randle the max. A star trade for an offensive upgrade happened. Make it work. The roster is more talented and doesn't fit the HC? Next logical move....bye Thibs. He can't figure it out? We don't know yet but, he has had some struggles of his own. Give him a pass? Meh....ok. He gets to the end of the playoffs!!!

[3toheadmelo]

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

Facts. We basically pulled a 2014 Knicks move when we traded for Bargnani.

[ctorres]

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

Facts. We basically pulled a 2014 Knicks move when we traded for Bargnani.

If we hadn't traded for KAT, we would have started the season without a single center who could play any more than 12-15 minutes. We had Sims and Huk, that is it. No Mitch, no Achiuwa, and Hartenstein left us (and even he got injured to start the season for OKC, so he probably would have been out for us too).

We would have dug to huge of a hole to start the season without trading for KAT. Same hole we dug ourselves during the 2013-14 season when we had no Tyson Chandler for a big chunk of the start of it.

There is no way replacing Randle with KAT made our front court weaker defensively. We literally would have been without a center and Randle cannot play center for any more than a few minutes.

Grimes is playing his best, but even at his best, he can't give you what Mikal does.

Even after the last two games, Mikal has still been averaging 21/3/5 on 54/36/93 over the last 14 games without Brunson.

Knicks are 8-6 during this stretch and Mikal has been the THIRD option behind KAT and OG

I don't know what else you want from the guy. You want him to average 27/9/6 like Jayson Tatum, but do it as a third or fourth option?!

[Clyde_Style]

People talk down Mikal because of the 5 picks. If he had signed as a FA he'd be talked about more favorably

[nedleeds]

11 pages of thirsty homers rearranging the starters on the 2014 Bobcats. We even have the same coach as them.

[nedleeds]

I had to think for a second and step back.

This is who Mikal is. I know this, i said this when he got traded here:

Some nights he's the guy who hit that buzzer beater. Other nights he's a 17ppg role player.

Other nights he does what he did last night. Which is unacceptable.

But, I saw all of that when he was on that other team, so I'm thinking to myself why am I getting upset about something I already knew?

He's not an all star talent and his inconsistency has always been there.

You're upset because we traded 5 firsts for Kentavious Caldwell Pope, when Denver traded Will Bartons corpse Monte Morris on a bad contract and 1 pick.

[Jalen Bluntson]

People talk down Mikal because of the 5 picks. If he had signed as a FA he'd be talked about more favorably

He is the ego that Hart was talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Selfish bum!

[Adelheid]

People talk down Mikal because of the 5 picks. If he had signed as a FA he'd be talked about more favorably

any fanbase would do the same thing; quite frankly, this is serene and quiet as compared to what could have been happening.
Maybe because the knicks are still winning, thats why things are still a bit quiet

[WaltFrazier]

With OG emerging, somebody in the Herb Jones/Camara mold might make more sense than Mikal. A bigger 3/D tweener. We'd need more coming back in that trade, obviously.

It's Josh that's the sticking point, you replace him with a guy that can catch and shoot at a higher clip and everything works better. The fact that Josh can't really play off the ball means Mikal can't play on it as much as he should, Josh is second on the team in touches per game.

Josh Hart can't cut? He can't screen? Off course he can play off the ball. Bringing in another shooter like Deuce takes Mikal out even more. Mikal.is sawft.

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But Hart's inability/unwillingness to shoot stalls the offense often. Plus he throws away too many bad passes.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

With OG emerging, somebody in the Herb Jones/Camara mold might make more sense than Mikal. A bigger 3/D tweener. We'd need more coming back in that trade, obviously.

It's Josh that's the sticking point, you replace him with a guy that can catch and shoot at a higher clip and everything works better. The fact that Josh can't really play off the ball means Mikal can't play on it as much as he should, Josh is second on the team in touches per game.

Josh Hart can't cut? He can't screen? Off course he can play off the ball. Bringing in another shooter like Deuce takes Mikal out even more. Mikal.is sawft.

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When yall say things like this, I really wonder what it is you're seeing when you watch games. Hart cannot play off the ball when he's being guarded by a center, it's a large reason we keep getting our brains caved in against good teams. Because they put their center on him and if he doesn't have the ball the center leaves him to help in the paint.

Horford left him as soon as OG put the ball on the floor, there is no respect for his shooting.



Please explain to me where the cutting lane is for this when the center is in the lane?





This one is especially funny, because Horford is off him and he's not even behind the goddamn three point line.



I can start making a bunch of GIFs too, centers flat out leaving him. It's 2025, you cannot put a guard/wing on the floor against good teams if they can't shoot. Him being on the floor means whoever is guarding him leaves him to help on others. A shooter that's respected wouldn't be defended by bigs, it's the entire reason teams guard him with a center, because they're playing the percentages and bet that he can't hit enough threes to hurt them which allows their center to basically roam around helping and muck up our offense.

They put a big on Hart, and a Wing on KAT because it means they can hard trap the ball if Hart sets the screen for a ball handler, and they can switch if KAT sets a screen for the ball handler with Hart's man helping off him. And when KAT tries to post up, the big will leave Hart and try to help on the post up. I have no clue what you're seeing when you think you can just cut when there's a 7 footer playing 15 feet off him

[Besart19]

Brunson / Kolek
McBride / Shamet
Anunoby / Bridges
Towns / Josh Hart
Robinson / Achiuwa

[KnicksGadfly]

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

???????? Randle ????? Defense???????

?????

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Last offseason will end up looking like the opposite of the 1998-99 lockout offseason.

Before Ernie Grunfeld made his two moves we were a team that was far from contention. Trading for Camby gave us a front court advantage in the EC playoffs while acquiring Sprewell was a major upgrade.

Last season before Rose made his two moves we were a team that was close to centention. Replacing KAT with Randle made our front court weaker defensively while acquiring Bridges has been a major downgrade.

???????? Randle ????? Defense???????

?????

It's funnier now that the Wolves have a worse record than they did last year, and it's not like Ant has missed a month of basketball like Brunson has.

[Adelheid]

the front court is weaker because even when mitch is alright to play, thibs would still not play both KAT and mitch together

thibs is treating KAT like he is a C

[Besart19]

the front court is weaker because even when mitch is alright to play, thibs would still not play both KAT and mitch together

thibs is treating KAT like he is a C

In Chicago he played Boozer alongside Noah

[Kidknick!]

Dog **** coaching. MALFEASANCE when you have Wright/Hart/Precious for extended time on any court in ANY game. This is the most talented team he's ever had and yet he still clings to his nonsense.