Knicks - Cavs PG: How's that for vibes?

[HabenKG]

Its only one game but this is pretty telling thus far. Love how he benched Jalen as long as he did when he saw how well the team was playing. No reason to add unnecessary minutes to his plate when the bench was doing its thing. I also like how he used Clarkson in spurts. If he's cold he is going to get benched but if he's hot he's gonna get the minutes which I think is the best way to handle hot/cold players like him.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Thank you Mike brown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GettinitDone]

I may be one of the few who are not too excited about this W, yeah I'll def take it, but it felt like a lot of players were still standing around, and the ball just bounced our way, a few random good possessions, a few careless Cavs bad possessions. If these had been the Thunder we played against, would we have won playing the way we did in the 4th? I don't think so.

The good things: coach played 11 players, they're responding well to the coach (honeymoon 1st year phase, we better take advantage and win the chip this year), it seems the players love playing together and we have some early season camaraderie already.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a few unexpected losses in the first 10-15 games, I think the players (especially JB) are still getting used to Mike.

No Pac was kind of a surprise !

Random thought: wouldn't it be sweet if we'd kept Garrison? If Shamet has an off night, sub him out for Garry (would be rare for both to have an off night)

[rajajackal]

small sample size alert.

Outside of the starting 5 (which was more of less a net neutral) the next best lineup with the 2nd highest minutes played was.........






who absolutely wiped the floor with the cavs last night

for reference that lineup above only played 41 minutes in total all of last year together (it played 7 minutes by Brown in the 1st game).

Also extremely noticable look at the pace we played at with that unit compared to the starters with 2 bigs.

consider it our "death lineup" lol

[robillionaire]

A lot of people were so concerned about the lack of rebounding playing 5 out (which we did for like half the game) without Mitch or Hart starting, but with both of them out, and against a top 2 rebounding frontcourt, we beat them on the boards 48-32

A lot of that was OG stepping up and crashing the boards. Didn’t even know he was capable of that. Might have just been a one off. But he seems like he wants to step up in an area where we would miss Hart. towns is also a good defensive rebounder and got his 11.

OG had an insanely good night when you look at the way him impacted every facet of the game both sides of the floor. Thankfully he didn’t get hurt when he slipped and fell because that scared the crap out of me

How can anybody not love OG is beyond me

[robillionaire]

I may be one of the few who are not too excited about this W, yeah I'll def take it, but it felt like a lot of players were still standing around, and the ball just bounced our way, a few random good possessions, a few careless Cavs bad possessions. If these had been the Thunder we played against, would we have won playing the way we did in the 4th? I don't think so.

The good things: coach played 11 players, they're responding well to the coach (honeymoon 1st year phase, we better take advantage and win the chip this year), it seems the players love playing together and we have some early season camaraderie already.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get a few unexpected losses in the first 10-15 games, I think the players (especially JB) are still getting used to Mike.

No Pac was kind of a surprise !

Random thought: wouldn't it be sweet if we'd kept Garrison? If Shamet has an off night, sub him out for Garry (would be rare for both to have an off night)

I agree with you, and honestly would we have won if they were at full capacity and had Garland or Strus or Hunter, idk maybe not. And there were times we looked kinda rough out there. Not a perfect game by any stretch. So I think we still need to see some more before we jump out the window. But still they were the best team in the regular season last year and swept us so a win is a win. Felt like we needed it

[gavran]

Random thought: wouldn't it be sweet if we'd kept Garrison? If Shamet has an off night, sub him out for Garry (would be rare for both to have an off night)

How would you do that, if keeping Garrison meant no Shamet and vice versa?

[Lord Commander]

Wonder if we'll see any three guard rotations featuring Kolek, Deuce and JB in spots.

[thebuzzardman]

Tyler Kolek was +17. And you all wanted to run him out of New York...smh...

I love Kolek but he was a +2. McBride was the one who was +17.

Yea I misread that...but all this Kolek hate jeez...

Clyde_Style liked Kolek and hyped him up. That's responsible for 50% of the hate posts towards Kolek. The rest is rest is regular RealGM Knicks stuff.

Kind of like with Mitch. Half the hate is to annoy Shammgod. Terrible people do that.

[thebuzzardman]

Kolek should play over Clarkson when everyone is healthy but he won’t so the next best realistic option is Kolek over Shamet when Hart is back. Clarkson can be the backup SG with Kolek at PG.

Tyler keeps the ball moving and have great vision. Which is why I wanted to draft him.

I would do the same but you’re forgetting Deuce exists though. So they will have to play 3 guards and still leave someone out or get creative with the splits between Kolek/Deuce and Clarkson/Shamet

And then I’m not sure where Hart gets placed when he comes back. It seems like they’re intent to start towns at the 4 with another big, so if that’s the case Hart will be playing off the bench and surely would be the backup 3. And at PG and SG a mix of 2 of those 4. But from what we saw at least for now he’s content with a bench time share. I could see it being something like Deuce Clarkson Hart (yabu, huk/mitch)

I know Shamet is a little more plugged towards SF, but maybe the minutes get split there. Brown goes with the need/hot hand (defense vs paint scoring etc)

[thebuzzardman]

The upside of expanding the rotation is Mike Brown will probably end up establishing some trade value for some of our younger cheap guys.

Could really push us over the finish line next offseason in Giannis trade talks.

I feel like we need a knock down sniper to demoralize teams. Deuce and OG was hitting but I want a guy known for knocking it down. Especially with Kolek creating offense.

We could really use a 3&d wing with size off the bench.

Been hoping that 3pac or even Mo can be that guy.

Mo can't really shoot that well yet.

Dadiet, of course, is hopeless.

[robillionaire]

Kolek should play over Clarkson when everyone is healthy but he won’t so the next best realistic option is Kolek over Shamet when Hart is back. Clarkson can be the backup SG with Kolek at PG.

Tyler keeps the ball moving and have great vision. Which is why I wanted to draft him.

I would do the same but you’re forgetting Deuce exists though. So they will have to play 3 guards and still leave someone out or get creative with the splits between Kolek/Deuce and Clarkson/Shamet

And then I’m not sure where Hart gets placed when he comes back. It seems like they’re intent to start towns at the 4 with another big, so if that’s the case Hart will be playing off the bench and surely would be the backup 3. And at PG and SG a mix of 2 of those 4. But from what we saw at least for now he’s content with a bench time share. I could see it being something like Deuce Clarkson Hart (yabu, huk/mitch)

I know Shamet is a little more plugged towards SF, but maybe the minutes get split there. Brown goes with the need/hot hand (defense vs paint scoring etc)

Maybe and from what we are hearing reported Hart may miss an extended period of time so it may not factor in. Kinda concerned about what might be going on with him hope he doesn’t miss the whole season

[thebuzzardman]

Mikal had 3 steals, 6 assist and 2 blocks sheesh.

He looked particularly good in the first half.

KAT looked best in an off game during the 4th quarter.

Hopefully this offense continues to spread it around.

I thought Mikal was on his way to a 25 point night but in true Villanova fashion he didn't force the issue too much and the scoring was elsewhere 2nd half.

[thebuzzardman]

I would do the same but you’re forgetting Deuce exists though. So they will have to play 3 guards and still leave someone out or get creative with the splits between Kolek/Deuce and Clarkson/Shamet

And then I’m not sure where Hart gets placed when he comes back. It seems like they’re intent to start towns at the 4 with another big, so if that’s the case Hart will be playing off the bench and surely would be the backup 3. And at PG and SG a mix of 2 of those 4. But from what we saw at least for now he’s content with a bench time share. I could see it being something like Deuce Clarkson Hart (yabu, huk/mitch)

I know Shamet is a little more plugged towards SF, but maybe the minutes get split there. Brown goes with the need/hot hand (defense vs paint scoring etc)

Maybe and from what we are hearing reported Hart may miss an extended period of time so it may not factor in. Kinda concerned about what might be going on with him hope he doesn’t miss the whole season

It's his back. Unfortunately I think he's out a long time, possible all year.

And it's very possible he's never the same again.
His game pretty predicated on athleticism and effort. Bad back going to f*ck all that up. Maybe. Hopefully not.

[robillionaire]

I know Shamet is a little more plugged towards SF, but maybe the minutes get split there. Brown goes with the need/hot hand (defense vs paint scoring etc)

Maybe and from what we are hearing reported Hart may miss an extended period of time so it may not factor in. Kinda concerned about what might be going on with him hope he doesn’t miss the whole season

It's his back. Unfortunately I think he's out a long time, possible all year.

And it's very possible he's never the same again.
His game pretty predicated on athleticism and effort. Bad back going to f*ck all that up. Maybe. Hopefully not.

Well he injured his back on a fall in the preseason and report said back spasms. I don’t want to jump to any conclusions that it’s THAT serious. Not like he’s getting back surgery. But the Knicks seem to be very hush hush with these injury situations so obviously we will assume the worst.

Kinda wouldn’t mind if like an above poster said he just gets this hand surgery taken care of and takes some time off but he’s a warrior so he probably will refuse

[GettinitDone]

Random thought: wouldn't it be sweet if we'd kept Garrison? If Shamet has an off night, sub him out for Garry (would be rare for both to have an off night)

How would you do that, if keeping Garrison meant no Shamet and vice versa?

Yeah I know that lol

I meant hypothetically

[Jeff Van Gully]

The fact we have a HC unafraid to go deep into the bench, makes me feel like JHart should just get the surgery on his finger done now. Get it over with and come back ready for the playoffs. That would allow him to rest his back too. Makes too much sense. Why aren’t they opting to go this route?

we don't know the state of the finger or readiness for re-procedure.

it might have to heal and rehab before they can even go back in. given the time he's taking for the back, i'd think they'd have done it if they could.

we don't know his surgical eligibility.

[2010]

The fact we have a HC unafraid to go deep into the bench, makes me feel like JHart should just get the surgery on his finger done now. Get it over with and come back ready for the playoffs. That would allow him to rest his back too. Makes too much sense. Why aren’t they opting to go this route?

we don't know the state of the finger or readiness for re-procedure.

it might have to heal and rehab before they can even go back in. given the time he's taking for the back, i'd think they'd have done it if they could.

we don't know his surgical eligibility.

Good point. I remember you’re in the medical field so I’ll defer to you here. This is a perspective I didn’t consider.

[Jeff Van Gully]

The fact we have a HC unafraid to go deep into the bench, makes me feel like JHart should just get the surgery on his finger done now. Get it over with and come back ready for the playoffs. That would allow him to rest his back too. Makes too much sense. Why aren’t they opting to go this route?

we don't know the state of the finger or readiness for re-procedure.

it might have to heal and rehab before they can even go back in. given the time he's taking for the back, i'd think they'd have done it if they could.

we don't know his surgical eligibility.

Good point. I remember you’re in the medical field so I’ll defer to you here. This is a perspective I didn’t consider.

cheers. but i don't know. just bringing in another line of thought, because otherwise it's not going to make sense to us. i'd agree that getting the surgery ASAP makes sense. but sometimes ligaments and musculoskeletal things have to heal for a while before you can mess with them again.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Random thought: wouldn't it be sweet if we'd kept Garrison? If Shamet has an off night, sub him out for Garry (would be rare for both to have an off night)

How would you do that, if keeping Garrison meant no Shamet and vice versa?

Yeah I know that lol

I meant hypothetically

We could trade Pac for picks and sign another vet mini.