Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[E-Balla]

Man years ago we wouldn't even be talking about these players like this because as rookies they wouldn't even get minutes like this and would be glued to the bench. We're quick to place judgement on kids as if they were completed projects. I pointed out some rookie stats of players that became all stars although they sucked year one and two. Heck most of us felt like Tyson Chandler would never make it and Chicago fans were ready to toss him.

We've been crying about defense for years at guard after watching Calderon, Duhon, THJ. Crawford, JR, Eisley, Anthony Carter, Bibby, Felton. Now we have a top ten defensive guard and because he's not shooting up to your standards you want him gone.

Tyson had a 13 PER out of HS. 16 PER in his 2nd season when he was a year removed from HS. Allan Houston is literally the only NBA player to ever be as bad as Knox and end up good, and he was good in college at least. Knox wasn't good in college, and is legitimately approaching worst NBA player ever level.

And just because we wanted defensive players at G doesn't mean we want possibly the worst offensive G in league history.

[dakomish23]

Keep your foot on his neck!

You’d hop on the bandwagon so fast if those kids pick it up save the bullchit for the rodeo Greenie

We'd also not be Knicks fans if they moved the team to Alaska.

And Frank might end up a bench player. He just needs to be able to hit 3s. Knox? Nah. Zero potential to be a meaningful player on a winning team. Either way neither guy was even close to being good enough for us to draft them where we did. Frank was fringe lottery before the Knicks started chasing him and Knox was out the lottery.

Supporting the idea of playing your kids vs supporting the team if they moved to the other coast

Yeah, that’s an equivalent statement

Neither is the guy I wanted. DSJ & Mikal / MPJ. For me it’s about the correct thing to do when you are rebuilding. We’re trailer trash. Play the damn lotto.

[E-Balla]

You’d hop on the bandwagon so fast if those kids pick it up save the bullchit for the rodeo Greenie

We'd also not be Knicks fans if they moved the team to Alaska.

And Frank might end up a bench player. He just needs to be able to hit 3s. Knox? Nah. Zero potential to be a meaningful player on a winning team. Either way neither guy was even close to being good enough for us to draft them where we did. Frank was fringe lottery before the Knicks started chasing him and Knox was out the lottery.

Supporting the idea of playing your kids vs supporting the team if they moved to the other coast

Yeah, that’s an equivalent statement

Neither is the guy I wanted. DSJ & Mikal / MPJ. For me it’s about the correct thing to do when you are rebuilding. We’re trailer trash. Play the damn lotto.

You said we'd hop on the bandwagon if they were good. I said we wouldn't root for the Knicks if they moved to Alaska. You're bringing up things with near zero chances of happening to question us as fans so I did too.

And we're 2.5 games behind Phoenix we are tanking already! We're the youngest team in the league its not like they're losing minutes to vets. Frank is losing minutes to DSJ and 24 year old Mudiay. Knox is playing too much if you ask me. Why keep focusing on known scrubs when you have more talented young players on the roster?

[malik959]

Rookie numbers
Dirk shot 20% from 3, 8ppg
Giannis 6.8 ppg
Aldridge 9 ppg
Tyson 6ppg
Walt 9ppg
Haden 9.9ppg

I can go on and on. Players need time

[King of Canada]

Rookie numbers
Dirk shot 20% from 3, 8ppg
Giannis 6.8 ppg
Aldridge 9 ppg
Tyson 6ppg
Walt 9ppg
Haden 9.9ppg

I can go on and on. Players need time

What burns me is that he hasn't been in the G-league the whole time. The Westchester Knicks are great, and Frank should have been down there as soon as it was clear that he wasn't ready.

[dakomish23]

We'd also not be Knicks fans if they moved the team to Alaska.

And Frank might end up a bench player. He just needs to be able to hit 3s. Knox? Nah. Zero potential to be a meaningful player on a winning team. Either way neither guy was even close to being good enough for us to draft them where we did. Frank was fringe lottery before the Knicks started chasing him and Knox was out the lottery.

Supporting the idea of playing your kids vs supporting the team if they moved to the other coast

Yeah, that’s an equivalent statement

Neither is the guy I wanted. DSJ & Mikal / MPJ. For me it’s about the correct thing to do when you are rebuilding. We’re trailer trash. Play the damn lotto.

You said we'd hop on the bandwagon if they were good. I said we wouldn't root for the Knicks if they moved to Alaska. You're bringing up things with near zero chances of happening to question us as fans so I did too.

And we're 2.5 games behind Phoenix we are tanking already! We're the youngest team in the league its not like they're losing minutes to vets. Frank is losing minutes to DSJ and 24 year old Mudiay. Knox is playing too much if you ask me. Why keep focusing on known scrubs when you have more talented young players on the roster?

You can focus on all of them.

Frank lost minutes to Jack and Sessions last year. He played less minutes with KP than LFT.

That’s inexcusable.

Who’s should the Knox mins go to?

[Greenie]

There's a big difference here though. Trae has talent. He showed that in college. Knox is a scrub. He showed that in college. Trae did everything right but make the shots. Now if those two hit their shots they merely go from worst in the league to one of the worst in the league.

Keep your foot on his neck!

You’d hop on the bandwagon so fast if those kids pick it up save the bullchit for the rodeo Greenie

Zion is coming

[dakomish23]

Keep your foot on his neck!

You’d hop on the bandwagon so fast if those kids pick it up save the bullchit for the rodeo Greenie

Zion is coming

Good luck to whomever comes if Zion doesn’t

[nykfan42]

He is what he is at this point. I'm fine with pulling the plug. He's not good. I think he's a career backup. Trade him

[Sark]

I hope he ends up with the Bucks, Spurs, Raptors, or Mavs. Any of those teams will figure out how to use him correctly.

[KnickFan33]

Should be exploring trade scenarios for Knox more than Ntilikina.

[whocares1]

Should be exploring trade scenarios for Knox more than Ntilikina.

Lol classic.

[NYKHardKnock]

This should be a method to motivate him

[Sark]

This should be a method to motivate him

Motivate what? He hasn't played in 20 games or so. Fiz is still working on his Mudiay project obviously, and it's working wonders.

[nykfan42]

I don't expect anything good in return if they trade him. He's really not grown at all in the 2 seasons in my opinion. He's a 35% shooter which is pathetic. Only thing positive about his game is his defense and even that is probably overrated.

[reub]

I saw this elsewhere:

"If we take a look at the “mainstays” (more than 50 minutes together), there’s only one lineup with a positive net rating. Can you guess which one? I think you do, if you have been paying attention to this season: it’s the one that got yanked because “we weren’t winning”. Frank/Dot/THJ/Vonleh/Mitch got a net rating of +8.1 in 94 minutes, mostly thanks to a marvelous 98.5 DRtg. Who would have guessed that playing together our best defenders would have been the best way to suck less? The other five lineup that have logged more than 50 minutes are negative net rating ones, with one that sticks out: the very recent DSJ/Dot/Knox/Vonleh/DeAndre, who has a borderline vomit-inducing -30.4 net rating (with an ORtg of – blech – 86.5). Did you recognize those five guys? Yep, it’s our current starting lineup. That whole lineup has a TS% of 47.7. Very well done, coach."

If you took that group and substituted Trier for the dearly departed THJ, I think you have a winning lineup going forward.

Keep Frank/Trade Knox

[21 Hussle]

I saw this elsewhere:

"If we take a look at the “mainstays” (more than 50 minutes together), there’s only one lineup with a positive net rating. Can you guess which one? I think you do, if you have been paying attention to this season: it’s the one that got yanked because “we weren’t winning”. Frank/Dot/THJ/Vonleh/Mitch got a net rating of +8.1 in 94 minutes, mostly thanks to a marvelous 98.5 DRtg. Who would have guessed that playing together our best defenders would have been the best way to suck less? The other five lineup that have logged more than 50 minutes are negative net rating ones, with one that sticks out: the very recent DSJ/Dot/Knox/Vonleh/DeAndre, who has a borderline vomit-inducing -30.4 net rating (with an ORtg of – blech – 86.5). Did you recognize those five guys? Yep, it’s our current starting lineup. That whole lineup has a TS% of 47.7. Very well done, coach."

If you took that group and substituted Trier for the dearly departed THJ, I think you have a winning lineup going forward.

Keep Frank/Trade Knox

Stuff like this irks me. I feel like this lineup was clearly the best but Fiz went away from it simply because of his hard on for Mudiay

I’d say keep both Frank and Kev. I never like giving up on players so young, unless it’s a deal that’s clearly favorable.

[reub]

I saw this elsewhere:

"If we take a look at the “mainstays” (more than 50 minutes together), there’s only one lineup with a positive net rating. Can you guess which one? I think you do, if you have been paying attention to this season: it’s the one that got yanked because “we weren’t winning”. Frank/Dot/THJ/Vonleh/Mitch got a net rating of +8.1 in 94 minutes, mostly thanks to a marvelous 98.5 DRtg. Who would have guessed that playing together our best defenders would have been the best way to suck less? The other five lineup that have logged more than 50 minutes are negative net rating ones, with one that sticks out: the very recent DSJ/Dot/Knox/Vonleh/DeAndre, who has a borderline vomit-inducing -30.4 net rating (with an ORtg of – blech – 86.5). Did you recognize those five guys? Yep, it’s our current starting lineup. That whole lineup has a TS% of 47.7. Very well done, coach."

If you took that group and substituted Trier for the dearly departed THJ, I think you have a winning lineup going forward.

Keep Frank/Trade Knox

Stuff like this irks me. I feel like this lineup was clearly the best but Fiz went away from it simply because of his hard on for Mudiay

I’d say keep both Frank and Kev. I never like giving up on players so young, unless it’s a deal that’s clearly favorable.

Yeas, I agree. But if we get rid of Frank we're going to regret it for a long time. I hope that our front office is hiding him to lose more games and really know that they have a defensive game changer right there under their noses.

[BasicBall]

Am I the only one who is curious to see Frank & Dennis in the backcourt??

no. those of us that know defense helps winning basketball are looking forward to it. the rest couldn't care less. they're hoping the knicks max out guys with no defense, poor efficiency, no passing, and more shooting.

come on. i'm a frankfrooter and that's not fair to generalize.

I agree, because I know I can’t be the only one who is curious as to what they’d look like playing alongside each other. One thing is certain, both are on their rookie deals so their money is set unlike Mudiay is playing for a contract. For that reason alone you can’t possibly think that Mudiay is playing for THE TEAM!! I’ll also be the first to say that Mudiay has surprised me in spurts, but mostly he’s shown he’s a decent backup at best and in reality he might have 2-3 more years left before he’s out of the league. To me, Frank has all the attributes you want for a winning team...selfless, team oriented, just a real intangible guy...I also think Dennis legitimately likes Frank (same draft class) and wants him to succeed. That to me goes a long way in building a solid team culture...Dennis is clearly a fiery guy and Frank plays with a cool intellect. I think it could be a very interesting pairing. Combine that with solid rotation guys like, Dotson & Alonzo and I am starting to believe NY just might have a very solid backcourt rotation going forward (Kyrie be damned)

I’m just really curious as to how a DSJ - Ntilikina backcourt would look. I just hope we get to see it soon.

[E-Balla]

Supporting the idea of playing your kids vs supporting the team if they moved to the other coast

Yeah, that’s an equivalent statement

Neither is the guy I wanted. DSJ & Mikal / MPJ. For me it’s about the correct thing to do when you are rebuilding. We’re trailer trash. Play the damn lotto.

You said we'd hop on the bandwagon if they were good. I said we wouldn't root for the Knicks if they moved to Alaska. You're bringing up things with near zero chances of happening to question us as fans so I did too.

And we're 2.5 games behind Phoenix we are tanking already! We're the youngest team in the league its not like they're losing minutes to vets. Frank is losing minutes to DSJ and 24 year old Mudiay. Knox is playing too much if you ask me. Why keep focusing on known scrubs when you have more talented young players on the roster?

You can focus on all of them.

Frank lost minutes to Jack and Sessions last year. He played less minutes with KP than LFT.

That’s inexcusable.

Who’s should the Knox mins go to?

Last year Horny wanted to win for his job. We're talking about now.

And play anyone over Knox just get that bum off the floor.