Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[aggo]

Will this board ever learn?

Getting fooled by Mitch summer workouts —-> getting scammed by sims summer workouts


Be better.

[WaltFrazier]

I feel like Ainge made a fairly reasonable trade with Masai at the deadline, sending Olynyk to Toronto. I forget the details but it didn't seem like he demanded anything crazy

[DOT]

It's not 1994 anymore, you're hurting your own team in the long run if you aren't versatile. This is why we haven't seen much of Randle at the 5, despite the fact that should be a very real option against a lot of teams.

Fun fact time

Top 10 teams last year in ORB%:

1. Knicks (50-32)
2. Jazz (31-51)
3. Warriors (46-36)
4. Blazers (21-61)
5. Hawks (36-46)
6. Nuggets (57-25)
7. Magic (47-35)
8. Nets (32-50)
9. Rockets (41-41)
10. Bulls (39-43)

Combined record of 400-420, or 40-42 on average

So I would say there's no strong correlation between offensive rebounds and winning, and the 4 teams who went to the Conference Finals ranked 12th, 19th, 21st, and 24th in ORB%. Also those are percentage numbers, not raw numbers, so it's adjusted for pace.

[spree2kawhi]

Will this board ever learn?

Getting fooled by Mitch summer workouts —-> getting scammed by sims summer workouts


Be better.

Even worse, this board was fooled by Ben Simmons workouts and claims of greatness about one year ago.

[aggo]

Will this board ever learn?

Getting fooled by Mitch summer workouts —-> getting scammed by sims summer workouts


Be better.

Even worse, this board was fooled by Ben Simmons workouts and claims of greatness about one year ago.

Remember when people wanted to trade Randle for ben Simmons

[Fury]

I feel like Ainge made a fairly reasonable trade with Masai at the deadline, sending Olynyk to Toronto. I forget the details but it didn't seem like he demanded anything crazy

That one doesn’t count though cause it’s between two Knick haters

[ezmoney707]

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[god shammgod]

This is why Kessler has more value to us than Utah. Utah wants to play more 5 out. We want our Center underneath the basket on offense. Will we work something out is the question. I would think that both Dadiet and McBride have pretty good value to Utah. Will Ainge take a 'fair' offer?

no

In thoery Marks probably wasn't going to take a "fair" offer for Mikal but we got it done. So there is always a possibility depending how bad we want Kessler.

Also Utah and Ainge are in a tricky spot...there roster currently isn't set up to be a tanking team...and they owe there 1st round pick to OKC if they aren't bad enough

UTA's 1st round pick to OKC protected for selections 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026 (if UTA has not conveyed a 1st round pick to OKC by 2026, then UTA's obligation to OKC will be extinguished) [OKC-UTA, 7/30/2021; OKC-UTA, 1/4/2022]

Ainge certainly doesn't want to give up a valuable asset for the next two years...so he can play hard ball but if he continues down this path of not making deals or just treating the good players on his team poorly in terms of development because he wants losses at the end of the year players will leave.

we got it done because we were willing to pay what isn't a fair offer. even the pundits who really like the trade for us admit it's an overpay. there really is no other way to objectively see it. it can be a good deal and an overpay. gobert was an overpay but it worked out for them.

[Jalen Bluntson]

So...plan B is Jericho Sims?

[mpharris36]

no

In thoery Marks probably wasn't going to take a "fair" offer for Mikal but we got it done. So there is always a possibility depending how bad we want Kessler.

Also Utah and Ainge are in a tricky spot...there roster currently isn't set up to be a tanking team...and they owe there 1st round pick to OKC if they aren't bad enough

UTA's 1st round pick to OKC protected for selections 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026 (if UTA has not conveyed a 1st round pick to OKC by 2026, then UTA's obligation to OKC will be extinguished) [OKC-UTA, 7/30/2021; OKC-UTA, 1/4/2022]

Ainge certainly doesn't want to give up a valuable asset for the next two years...so he can play hard ball but if he continues down this path of not making deals or just treating the good players on his team poorly in terms of development because he wants losses at the end of the year players will leave.

we got it done because we were willing to pay what isn't a fair offer. even the pundits who really like the trade for us admit it's an overpay. there really is no other way to objectively see it. it can be a good deal and an overpay. gobert was an overpay but it worked out for them.

agreed we didn't also have to trade any young players in the deal which typically happens in these deals as well so that was the reason why its was scene as a pretty high pick package.

I just don't know what is unreasonable for Kessler. I assume at least one 1st round pick has to be in the deal. Not sure what else though.

It is interesting that Precious hasn't been resigned yet...we have his bird rights. We can probably give him a better deal than anyone else and its not like the rest of the market as a ton of valuable centers. Even Theis just was signed by NOP and he is not as good as Precious. So I'm just thinking of the why right now...meaning are the knicks looking the trade front at this moment.

[nykballa2k4]

Will this board ever learn?

Getting fooled by Mitch summer workouts —-> getting scammed by sims summer workouts


Be better.

Even worse, this board was fooled by Ben Simmons workouts and claims of greatness about one year ago.

Remember when people wanted to trade Randle for ben Simmons

I mean... could we get our picks back?

[nykballa2k4]

So...plan B is Jericho Sims?

That;s what it looks like

[god shammgod]

In thoery Marks probably wasn't going to take a "fair" offer for Mikal but we got it done. So there is always a possibility depending how bad we want Kessler.

Also Utah and Ainge are in a tricky spot...there roster currently isn't set up to be a tanking team...and they owe there 1st round pick to OKC if they aren't bad enough



Ainge certainly doesn't want to give up a valuable asset for the next two years...so he can play hard ball but if he continues down this path of not making deals or just treating the good players on his team poorly in terms of development because he wants losses at the end of the year players will leave.

we got it done because we were willing to pay what isn't a fair offer. even the pundits who really like the trade for us admit it's an overpay. there really is no other way to objectively see it. it can be a good deal and an overpay. gobert was an overpay but it worked out for them.

agreed we didn't also have to trade any young players in the deal which typically happens in these deals as well so that was the reason why its was scene as a pretty high pick package.

I just don't know what is unreasonable for Kessler. I assume at least one 1st round pick has to be in the deal. Not sure what else though.

It is interesting that Precious hasn't been resigned yet...we have his bird rights. We can probably give him a better deal than anyone else and its not like the rest of the market as a ton of valuable centers. Even Theis just was signed by NOP and he is not as good as Precious. So I'm just thinking of the why right now...meaning are the knicks looking the trade front at this moment.

maybe they want one of our own 1sts and we just can't do that

there's a bunch of guys still out there besides precious. i think it's probably that he wants to know he's gonna play minutes somewhere and nobody is ready to promise that yet including us.

[Richard4444]

thibs doesn't want centers camped out on the 3 point line because he wants them in position to rebound. sharty shitenstein just said it to the press. why do you think the names we hear the knicks are interested in are guys who rebound not hit 3s. get it together realgm.

There's a ceiling on this team then, it's that simple. The Warriors don't win titles without Draymond pulling the opposing center away from the rim, the Bucks never win a title if Brook Lopez is camped in the paint clogging driving lanes for Giannis. It's not 1994 anymore, you're hurting your own team in the long run if you aren't versatile. This is why we haven't seen much of Randle at the 5, despite the fact that should be a very real option against a lot of teams.

There are just half of a dozen teams that don't play traditional center. It's very hard to build a team with personnel that can defend and play 5 out well. GSW used to play a traditional center like Kevon Looney, Mcgee, Bogut, West, Pachulla, etc heavy minutes. Also Teams like Dallas and Bubble Lakers had success playing rim runners at the 5

Furthermore, the Knicks were successful in regular-season games against these stretch 5 teams. And they were eliminated due to the injuries. .

I don't know if Randle as a Center would work in every game. We need a 48-center rotation.

Besides, Thibs is not great at reading the game and adapting. He has his style of defending the rim, crushing the boards.... I am not sure he is the right coach to play Randle as Center heavy minutes.

[nykballa2k4]

In thoery Marks probably wasn't going to take a "fair" offer for Mikal but we got it done. So there is always a possibility depending how bad we want Kessler.

Also Utah and Ainge are in a tricky spot...there roster currently isn't set up to be a tanking team...and they owe there 1st round pick to OKC if they aren't bad enough



Ainge certainly doesn't want to give up a valuable asset for the next two years...so he can play hard ball but if he continues down this path of not making deals or just treating the good players on his team poorly in terms of development because he wants losses at the end of the year players will leave.

we got it done because we were willing to pay what isn't a fair offer. even the pundits who really like the trade for us admit it's an overpay. there really is no other way to objectively see it. it can be a good deal and an overpay. gobert was an overpay but it worked out for them.

agreed we didn't also have to trade any young players in the deal which typically happens in these deals as well so that was the reason why its was scene as a pretty high pick package.

I just don't know what is unreasonable for Kessler. I assume at least one 1st round pick has to be in the deal. Not sure what else though.

It is interesting that Precious hasn't been resigned yet...we have his bird rights. We can probably give him a better deal than anyone else and its not like the rest of the market as a ton of valuable centers. Even Theis just was signed by NOP and he is not as good as Precious. So I'm just thinking of the why right now...meaning are the knicks looking the trade front at this moment.

I think we are bringing Precious back. The number IMO is going to depend on how much of our space we wind up using. Thinking team option for year 2.

I don't think Walker Kessler is realistic for us, but at least we are helping drive up the price for someone else

Lakers have that kid Castelton on their summer roster.

We had Micah Potter on our Dleague team and he is floating around.

There are some guys out there though of course NBA readiness is questionable.

[Moose]

no

In thoery Marks probably wasn't going to take a "fair" offer for Mikal but we got it done. So there is always a possibility depending how bad we want Kessler.

Also Utah and Ainge are in a tricky spot...there roster currently isn't set up to be a tanking team...and they owe there 1st round pick to OKC if they aren't bad enough

UTA's 1st round pick to OKC protected for selections 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026 (if UTA has not conveyed a 1st round pick to OKC by 2026, then UTA's obligation to OKC will be extinguished) [OKC-UTA, 7/30/2021; OKC-UTA, 1/4/2022]

Ainge certainly doesn't want to give up a valuable asset for the next two years...so he can play hard ball but if he continues down this path of not making deals or just treating the good players on his team poorly in terms of development because he wants losses at the end of the year players will leave.

we got it done because we were willing to pay what isn't a fair offer. even the pundits who really like the trade for us admit it's an overpay. there really is no other way to objectively see it. it can be a good deal and an overpay. gobert was an overpay but it worked out for them.

When dealing with the Nets, it was always gonna have to be an overpay. 4 first round picks seems reasonable. We paid more than that, but didn't have to trade any talent, like McBride, which is helpful.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It's not 1994 anymore, you're hurting your own team in the long run if you aren't versatile. This is why we haven't seen much of Randle at the 5, despite the fact that should be a very real option against a lot of teams.

Fun fact time

Top 10 teams last year in ORB%:

1. Knicks (50-32)
2. Jazz (31-51)
3. Warriors (46-36)
4. Blazers (21-61)
5. Hawks (36-46)
6. Nuggets (57-25)
7. Magic (47-35)
8. Nets (32-50)
9. Rockets (41-41)
10. Bulls (39-43)

Combined record of 400-420, or 40-42 on average

So I would say there's no strong correlation between offensive rebounds and winning, and the 4 teams who went to the Conference Finals ranked 12th, 19th, 21st, and 24th in ORB%. Also those are percentage numbers, not raw numbers, so it's adjusted for pace.

If we don't win it'll be because the offense stalls out due to spacing, you can see it coming a mile away.

[mpharris36]

we got it done because we were willing to pay what isn't a fair offer. even the pundits who really like the trade for us admit it's an overpay. there really is no other way to objectively see it. it can be a good deal and an overpay. gobert was an overpay but it worked out for them.

agreed we didn't also have to trade any young players in the deal which typically happens in these deals as well so that was the reason why its was scene as a pretty high pick package.

I just don't know what is unreasonable for Kessler. I assume at least one 1st round pick has to be in the deal. Not sure what else though.

It is interesting that Precious hasn't been resigned yet...we have his bird rights. We can probably give him a better deal than anyone else and its not like the rest of the market as a ton of valuable centers. Even Theis just was signed by NOP and he is not as good as Precious. So I'm just thinking of the why right now...meaning are the knicks looking the trade front at this moment.

maybe they want one of our own 1sts and we just can't do that

there's a bunch of guys still out there besides precious. i think it's probably that he wants to know he's gonna play minutes somewhere and nobody is ready to promise that yet including us.

who, certainly not sure fire rotation players at this point.

[HerSports85]

I just feel like we’re lacking so much in the frontcourt. Would’ve liked this move for us.

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

thibs doesn't want centers camped out on the 3 point line because he wants them in position to rebound. sharty shitenstein just said it to the press. why do you think the names we hear the knicks are interested in are guys who rebound not hit 3s. get it together realgm.

There's a ceiling on this team then, it's that simple. The Warriors don't win titles without Draymond pulling the opposing center away from the rim, the Bucks never win a title if Brook Lopez is camped in the paint clogging driving lanes for Giannis. It's not 1994 anymore, you're hurting your own team in the long run if you aren't versatile. This is why we haven't seen much of Randle at the 5, despite the fact that should be a very real option against a lot of teams.

There are just half of a dozen teams that don't play traditional center. It's very hard to build a team with personnel that can defend and play 5 out well. GSW used to play a traditional center like Kevon Looney, Mcgee, Bogut, West, Pachulla, etc heavy minutes. Also Teams like Dallas and Bubble Lakers had success playing rim runners at the 5

Furthermore, the Knicks were successful in regular-season games against these stretch 5 teams. And they were eliminated due to the injuries. .

I don't know if Randle as a Center would work in every game. We need a 48-center rotation.

Besides, Thibs is not great at reading the game and adapting. He has his style of defending the rim, crushing the boards.... I am not sure he is the right coach to play Randle as Center heavy minutes.

The Lakers played AD at center most of their championship run, they only broke out Howard when they played the Nuggets. They exclusively played AD at the 5 against the Heat too because you don't play a Spo team with a rim runner on the court. The Warriors won championships off the back of the death lineup, their centers weren't playing crucial minutes and Looney is a passer from the top of the key, he pulled centers out the lane because of the DHO game, he averaged 2apg in just 20mpg when they won.


The last team to win a title with some strictly interior big playing a lot of minutes were the Cavs, every team since then has a small ball 5, passing big or floor spacer. We have Randle that has the strength to play against most rim runners, we just saw a series in which Jayson Tatum was catching and defending Lively and Gafford on rolls, yet I'm supposed to believe Randle wouldn't be able to do it too? If we're in a series against the Pacers and Tom has Sims or Precious out there guarding Turner for any amount of time he should be fired.