Trades and Transactions Ideas Thread

[KnixinSix]

I actually do believe in the Utah rumors. I don't know if the Knicks are in any serious talks but I do think there is a chance Utah is gonna trade Markannen and possibly Clarkson as well. They are now realizing that winning 35 games a season is not really the place to be in and they can't really acquire talent through free agency.

The Jazz would make in so far a good trade partner as their contracts are all good, they would want expirings and picks back---exactly what we would like to offer in a deal (instead of any rotation players etc.). On top of that our expiring deal (Bogs) is a white player, so that may give them extra incentive to do a deal.

However, dealing with Ainge is never easy and his demands are always excessive while our FO is super cost conscious so there may not be a match there. The other question would be about Markannen's place in the rotation. As he has shown ability to play the 3,4 and 5 there will be enough playing time for him, but could you sell him the prospect of coming off the bench? He has been a starter throughout his career except 25 games....would he be willing to come off the bench? And then you have the problem of your 3 best scorers all being weak defenders so you'd have trouble playing them alongside each other. However Lauri would definitely provide something that this team lacks and that's great shooting from the frontcourt position and great free throw shooting. One downside of the Mitch,IHart,Precious, Randle rotation is that the former 3 are straight non-shooters while Randle is mediocre at best.

My instincts tell me: Markannen is 2-3 years younger than Randle and fits the timeline with Brunson slightly better. Getting him would probably be a sort of pivot for a Randle trade in the next 1-2 years.

First trade:
Mitch Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard

Second trade:
McBride and Bogdonavic and 9th pick, 24th, 25th pick for Markenen (Utah starts bigtime rebuild)

Maybe Randle then traded to a team that has a star asking out but that wants to remain competitive. Bridges? Mitchell? Booker? Giannis?

Knicks 3 ball and spacing likely increases dramatically through these type of deals.

I would prefer to trade a future FRP instead of McBride. IMO Deuce is worth a mid first round pick as of right now (15-20 range). If you keep in mind that in the suggested deals we'd be giving up Mitch, a lottery pick and two FRPs for Markannen...I think that would be enough really. Maybe swap Deuce with the Pistons pick. I wouldn't go higher than that really. Utah would probably prefer only 1 2024 pick and the rest for future drafts because I don't see them doing 4 FRPs this year...but it could be worked out.

Bogs + 9th pick + 24th pick + 2026 FRP (top 5 protected) + Pistons FRP...something along these lines.

Sometimes in regards to a full rebuild is you want as many FRPs as possible up front so all your players are on the same timeline. I could see them go this route possibly and build a team full of youngsters kind of like how OKC did. But not all rebuilds are exactly the same philosophy so we will see.

[KnixinSix]

I actually do believe in the Utah rumors. I don't know if the Knicks are in any serious talks but I do think there is a chance Utah is gonna trade Markannen and possibly Clarkson as well. They are now realizing that winning 35 games a season is not really the place to be in and they can't really acquire talent through free agency.

The Jazz would make in so far a good trade partner as their contracts are all good, they would want expirings and picks back---exactly what we would like to offer in a deal (instead of any rotation players etc.). On top of that our expiring deal (Bogs) is a white player, so that may give them extra incentive to do a deal.

However, dealing with Ainge is never easy and his demands are always excessive while our FO is super cost conscious so there may not be a match there. The other question would be about Markannen's place in the rotation. As he has shown ability to play the 3,4 and 5 there will be enough playing time for him, but could you sell him the prospect of coming off the bench? He has been a starter throughout his career except 25 games....would he be willing to come off the bench? And then you have the problem of your 3 best scorers all being weak defenders so you'd have trouble playing them alongside each other. However Lauri would definitely provide something that this team lacks and that's great shooting from the frontcourt position and great free throw shooting. One downside of the Mitch,IHart,Precious, Randle rotation is that the former 3 are straight non-shooters while Randle is mediocre at best.

My instincts tell me: Markannen is 2-3 years younger than Randle and fits the timeline with Brunson slightly better. Getting him would probably be a sort of pivot for a Randle trade in the next 1-2 years.

First trade:
Mitch Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard

Second trade:
McBride and Bogdonavic and 9th pick, 24th, 25th pick for Markenen (Utah starts bigtime rebuild)

Maybe Randle then traded to a team that has a star asking out but that wants to remain competitive. Bridges? Mitchell? Booker? Giannis?

Knicks 3 ball and spacing likely increases dramatically through these type of deals.

I would prefer to trade a future FRP instead of McBride. IMO Deuce is worth a mid first round pick as of right now (15-20 range). If you keep in mind that in the suggested deals we'd be giving up Mitch, a lottery pick and two FRPs for Markannen...I think that would be enough really. Maybe swap Deuce with the Pistons pick. I wouldn't go higher than that really. Utah would probably prefer only 1 2024 pick and the rest for future drafts because I don't see them doing 4 FRPs this year...but it could be worked out.

Bogs + 9th pick + 24th pick + 2026 FRP (top 5 protected) + Pistons FRP...something along these lines.

It's certainly possible depending on what Ainge wants most. I have a feeling though he will want at least ONE good young player like he did last time (and in most the deals he has made thus far). McBride is one of the few we can offer without disrupting certain core pieces we are obviously trying to hold on to.

[KnixinSix]

I like Lauri, but he isn't better than Randle and if there is a Lauri trade to the Knicks, you then need to expect Thibs to change his offensive system, which isn't happening. And there's zero -- I mean zero -- chance Ainge trades him for Bogs and picks. He can and will get much more from a buying team.

Irony of this all is Lauri might fit well with Cavs in a Garland trade because Spida can really use that kind of pick and roll/pop player.

So could Brunson. In my book, Lauri might very well be the more useful player. You see, I’m choosing my words carefully.

Lauri might work extremely well with Brunson.

[Wildcat]

I like Lauri, but he isn't better than Randle and if there is a Lauri trade to the Knicks, you then need to expect Thibs to change his offensive system, which isn't happening. And there's zero -- I mean zero -- chance Ainge trades him for Bogs and picks. He can and will get much more from a buying team.

Irony of this all is Lauri might fit well with Cavs in a Garland trade because Spida can really use that kind of pick and roll/pop player.

So could Brunson. In my book, Lauri might very well be the more useful player. You see, I’m choosing my words carefully.

Heh.

What concerns me with Lauri on a team with JB (and let's say Randle was apart of that deal), is if that shot is not falling, does he have it in him to contribute elsewhere? KP for example at least is a decent defender and rim protector. He isn't a good passer, isn't dribbler, he's an average rebounder. I'm not sure where his basketball IQ is. I remember when he was coming into the league he was billed as a high IQ guy, but I don't know how that panned out.

And I really don't think Thibs is going to reshape the offense.

[Richard4444]

Has there been any talk about bringing back Precious? If not, I really hope they focus on getting a way better 3rd string C. We desperately need one

No talk about it but, I have a theory that the Mitch trade talks are the pathway to the Knicks keeping Precious to be backup C.

Trade Mitch for wing help
Develop Precious into backup big for cheaper than Mitch
Profit?

I think picking up Precious QO is a given, but he could become trade fodder when they're able to trade him. I'm not sure if the QO puts a delay on trades, but Leon loves to deal, and Precious is a guy who could be used to make salaries work, as well as depth. Picking up his QO makes sense for 2 reasons.

unless I'm missing something.

His QO is 6,3M and we need to save money to stay away from the aprons.

Besides, I am not sure if his ideal salary range is superior to 6M to be a good deal to keep him RFA.

I see us opting to keep our flexibility and avoid being locked into Precious" salary before main roster movements.

[Richard4444]

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Mitch Robinson for 9th pick and Luke Kennard
McBride and Bogdonavic and 9th pick, 24th, 25th pick for Markenen (Utah starts bigtime rebuild)

You're not getting a lottery pick even in a weak draft for a guy that routinely misses half the season. You're severely overrating Mitchs value.

Memphis front Offices discussion.

Manager1: We missed almost the entire roster because of injuries last season (Morant, Smart, Bane, Adams, Clarke, Rose). What's the solution?
Manager2: I know. Let's bring injury-prone Mitch Robinson!!! Lightning never strikes twice.

[KnixinSix]

I like Lauri, but he isn't better than Randle and if there is a Lauri trade to the Knicks, you then need to expect Thibs to change his offensive system, which isn't happening. And there's zero -- I mean zero -- chance Ainge trades him for Bogs and picks. He can and will get much more from a buying team.

Irony of this all is Lauri might fit well with Cavs in a Garland trade because Spida can really use that kind of pick and roll/pop player.

So could Brunson. In my book, Lauri might very well be the more useful player. You see, I’m choosing my words carefully.

Heh.

What concerns me with Lauri on a team with JB (and let's say Randle was apart of that deal), is if that shot is not falling, does he have it in him to contribute elsewhere? KP for example at least is a decent defender and rim protector. He isn't a good passer, isn't dribbler, he's an average rebounder. I'm not sure where his basketball IQ is. I remember when he was coming into the league he was billed as a high IQ guy, but I don't know how that panned out.

And I really don't think Thibs is going to reshape the offense.

He is a pretty good rebounder, he is a very good 3 ball shooter and would add that tall stretch element that we don't have with any of our front court players currently (depending on what you think of Randle). And he is arguably a better overall defender than Randle currently. I am not saying he is unequivocally better than Julius but he definitely has components of his game that are better. He is younger and fairly durable too.

[Wildcat]

So could Brunson. In my book, Lauri might very well be the more useful player. You see, I’m choosing my words carefully.

Heh.

What concerns me with Lauri on a team with JB (and let's say Randle was apart of that deal), is if that shot is not falling, does he have it in him to contribute elsewhere? KP for example at least is a decent defender and rim protector. He isn't a good passer, isn't dribbler, he's an average rebounder. I'm not sure where his basketball IQ is. I remember when he was coming into the league he was billed as a high IQ guy, but I don't know how that panned out.

And I really don't think Thibs is going to reshape the offense.

He is a pretty good rebounder, he is a very good 3 ball shooter and would add that tall stretch element that we don't have with any of our front court players currently (depending on what you think of Randle). And he is arguably a better overall defender than Randle currently. I am not saying he is unequivocally better than Julius but he definitely has components of his game that are better. He is younger and fairly durable too.

You can't say he's fairly durable when he he's never played 70+ games in his career and only played over 60 games 3 times in his 7 years. The only thing I see as a positive is the catch and shoot and pick and pop potential. I don't prescribe to the notion that you need a stretch 5/4 as a starter. Dallas is doing just fine and the Knicks arguably have a more complete roster than them. Boston did it, too.

[Guano]

Jfc - 5 1st for Lauri

The offseason is terrible.

[DaGawd]

Jfc - 5 1st for Lauri

The offseason is terrible.

fk it… might be the most attainable star out there for us if the rumors are true. could always flip him later for a real one if one becomes available

[Richard4444]

Heh.

What concerns me with Lauri on a team with JB (and let's say Randle was apart of that deal), is if that shot is not falling, does he have it in him to contribute elsewhere? KP for example at least is a decent defender and rim protector. He isn't a good passer, isn't dribbler, he's an average rebounder. I'm not sure where his basketball IQ is. I remember when he was coming into the league he was billed as a high IQ guy, but I don't know how that panned out.

And I really don't think Thibs is going to reshape the offense.

He is a pretty good rebounder, he is a very good 3 ball shooter and would add that tall stretch element that we don't have with any of our front court players currently (depending on what you think of Randle). And he is arguably a better overall defender than Randle currently. I am not saying he is unequivocally better than Julius but he definitely has components of his game that are better. He is younger and fairly durable too.

You can't say he's fairly durable when he he's never played 70+ games in his career and only played over 60 games 3 times in his 7 years. The only thing I see as a positive is the catch and shoot and pick and pop potential. I don't prescribe to the notion that you need a stretch 5/4 as a starter. Dallas is doing just fine and the Knicks arguably have a more complete roster than them. Boston did it, too.

The stretch 5 need is a very curious matter.

GSW and Bubble Lakers were champions without any skilled Center. Also, Dallas and the Wolves just went to the West finals with a rim protector as the starting Center.

OKC failed to advance. And people think they need a traditional center to get rebounds.

[HarthorneWingo]

Is IHart gone?

[Guano]

Jfc - 5 1st for Lauri

The offseason is terrible.

fk it… might be the most attainable star out there for us if the rumors are true. could always flip him later for a real one if one becomes available

Man, I'm not buying Lauri stock at all. He isn't putting us over the top. I mean if the best argument for him is we can move him later id rather just wait and hope someone better becomes available.

[dakomish23]

Is IHart gone?

if i'm PHI or OKC he's a top target

[GONYK]

Is IHart gone?

Looking over the landscape of potential suitors, I think it is more likely than not that he stays

[Bob Ross]

Is IHart gone?

if i'm PHI or OKC he's a top target

Are they gonna pay him big time starter dollars to be a backup? They're both pretty sured up at center with the bitch and Chet respectively

[sol537]

I think this may be a realistic off-season:

1) iHart signs 72m with final year opt out (to dip into higher cap)
2) OG signs $39m per with final year opt out
3) We don't guarantee Bogs... get out of his deal so we can sign MLE player (like we did with DDV last year)
4) We sign a guy like Melton for 3-4 year MLE
5) We only draft the #24 pick 3&D 6'8" wing to learn from OG... we trade #25 forward... we draft #38 for a euro stash
6) We let Precious walk... we don't sign Burks... we don't bring Rokas over... we keep Sims and the end of bench guys
7) We extend Thibs 4 years
8) Randle does not extend yet... waits for next season
9) Brunson extends before the start of the season

iHart / Mitch / Sims
Randle / Hart
OG / 3&D Prospect Draftee
DDV / McBride
Brunson / Melton

...would not surprise me one bit.

[Richard4444]

Heh.

What concerns me with Lauri on a team with JB (and let's say Randle was apart of that deal), is if that shot is not falling, does he have it in him to contribute elsewhere? KP for example at least is a decent defender and rim protector. He isn't a good passer, isn't dribbler, he's an average rebounder. I'm not sure where his basketball IQ is. I remember when he was coming into the league he was billed as a high IQ guy, but I don't know how that panned out.

And I really don't think Thibs is going to reshape the offense.

He is a pretty good rebounder, he is a very good 3 ball shooter and would add that tall stretch element that we don't have with any of our front court players currently (depending on what you think of Randle). And he is arguably a better overall defender than Randle currently. I am not saying he is unequivocally better than Julius but he definitely has components of his game that are better. He is younger and fairly durable too.

You can't say he's fairly durable when he he's never played 70+ games in his career and only played over 60 games 3 times in his 7 years.

This information is not very accurate.

First, he only played 6 seasons.

Season 1: played 58 from 59 games before being indefinitely sidelined as a preventive matter to avoid possible injury aggravation or to tank for Ja Morant (depending on your point of view).

Season 2: played 57 from 74 games of Bubble season. He had played 54 of the first 56 games. But he missed 15 of his last 18 games because it was a lost season for Memphis.

Season 3: injured season. He played only 11 games.

Season 4: played 78 games.

Season 5: played 63 games being an all-star. Although missing his first 14 games, he played 63 of his last 68 games.

Season 6: played 66 games. But he did not play his last 6 games for tanking reasons.

He probably would play more games in 3 of his 6 seasons if Memphis were in playoff contention.

[Richard4444]

Is IHart gone?

if i'm PHI or OKC he's a top target

OKC plays with 5 out. They have Chet. They do not need another Center.

The Sixers have Embiid. I am not sure they can play together. The team will fire everybody except Embiid and Maxey to open cap space. They need wings.

[Wildcat]

I think this may be a realistic off-season:

1) iHart signs 72m with final year opt out (to dip into higher cap)
2) OG signs $39m per with final year opt out
3) We don't guarantee Bogs... get out of his deal so we can sign MLE player (like we did with DDV last year)
4) We sign a guy like Melton for 3-4 year MLE
5) We only draft the #24 pick 3&D 6'8" wing to learn from OG... we trade #25 forward... we draft #38 for a euro stash
6) We let Precious walk... we don't sign Burks... we don't bring Rokas over... we keep Sims and the end of bench guys
7) We extend Thibs 4 years
8) Randle does not extend yet... waits for next season
9) Brunson extends before the start of the season

iHart / Mitch / Sims
Randle / Hart
OG / 3&D Prospect Draftee
DDV / McBride
Brunson / Melton

...would not surprise me one bit.

I think most of these happen. Not sure Melton is worth it over Bogs' contract. Back injuries tend to be persistent and that injury basically handicapped his defense and finishing at the rim.