Trades and Transactions Thread Cont'd - Where the Center At?

[Iron Mantis]

Using the metrics you guys like.

Career win%:
Randle 42.5 < KAT 47.2

Career TS%:
Randle 55.7 < KAT 62.3

Career net rating:
Randle -2.0 < KAT 0.0

All Star/All-NBA:
Randle 3-2 < KAT 4-2

Playoffs:
Randle 2nd Rd < KAT conference finals

What are we doing here? Is this really a debate who's better?

In case anyone missed it. Somehow some interpret this as Randle being a winning player and KAT being a losing player.

[3toheadmelo]

Defending frank
The gallo vs Chandler wars
And so on and so on.


I just can't imagine wanting KAT when we have this team. His d is bad. He seems like that guy that hoops cause he is blessed with genetics not cause he is a dawg. And he isn't an upgrade from randle. So other than fcking with you I don't see the point of even discussing him.

people saw us go 11-1 with brunson og and randle and said "ENOUGH WINNING WE MUST GO BACK TO LOSING!!"

We would still be a really great team. It's just we're not winning it all with kat as a major piece. Same might be said for randle but that's why this trade idea is foolish. They're both talented flawed players. So exchanging is just unnecessary.

Plus randle can actually create. And we would have to offer more to match. In all just not a good trade.

The worst part about this whole trade is that we have to give up Mitch and play KAT at the 5. The Timberwolves were terrible with KAT at the 5 and he was so bad it forced the Timberwolves to give up an extremely high price for g0gurt to cover up KAT’s awful defense. I don’t know why people think playing KAT at the 5 will work all of a sudden now when it never worked in the past and limited the Timberwolves severely.

[HarthorneWingo]

Using the metrics you guys like.

Career win%:
Randle 42.5 < KAT 47.2

Career TS%:
Randle 55.7 < KAT 62.3

Career net rating:
Randle -2.0 < KAT 0.0

All Star/All-NBA:
Randle 3-2 < KAT 4-2

Playoffs:
Randle 2nd Rd < KAT conference finals

What are we doing here? Is this really a debate who's better?

In case anyone missed it. Somehow some interpret this as Randle being a winning player and KAT being a losing player.

Randle would’ve been All-NBA for a third time if he hadn’t gotten injured.

Anyhow this is a waste of time.

[Iron Mantis]

Using the metrics you guys like.

Career win%:
Randle 42.5 < KAT 47.2

Career TS%:
Randle 55.7 < KAT 62.3

Career net rating:
Randle -2.0 < KAT 0.0

All Star/All-NBA:
Randle 3-2 < KAT 4-2

Playoffs:
Randle 2nd Rd < KAT conference finals

What are we doing here? Is this really a debate who's better?

In case anyone missed it. Somehow some interpret this as Randle being a winning player and KAT being a losing player.

Randle would’ve been All-NBA for a third time if he hadn’t gotten injured.

Anyhow this is a waste of time.

It's the off-season so we are finding creative ways to waste time.

As soon as the season begins no one will be thinking about KAT at all.

It's most likely that the Knicks do not trade for him and we all know that.

[3toheadmelo]

The Timberwolves had a net rating of 0.65 with KAT on the court in the 2024 playoffs.
With KAT off the court, they had a positive net rating of +10.48

Imagine being such a negative detriment to your team after all these years and people still want to gut the team for him. But he has sexy numbers tho!!!!

The Knicks had a net rating of +2.57 with Randle on the court in the 2023 playoffs.

The Knicks had a net rating of -0.67 with Randle OFF the court in the 2023 playoffs.

Randle had a much better effect on his team on one ankle that required surgery than KAT did while being 100% healthy and surrounded by two all stars

Gut the team for KAT tho!!!!

The KAT defenders never acknowledge his net rating in the playoffs this year. I wonder why? I guess they don’t care about winning in the playoffs.

[spree2kawhi]

same people pushing that kat bs were the same people trying to prove rj is a winning player for 5 years

Not true.

Bringing up the ghost of RJ is a distraction tactic.

This is about seeing if we can upgrade the team by acquiring a star Center who is better than Randle.

KAT is clearly the superior player, there's been reports that the Knicks are interested in him, and its uncomfortable for some to accept, so they get emo.

Imagine denying something in such plain sight. To me, this isn’t even likely to happen, but it is the elephant in the room. Being triggered by something so obvious in such a way is strange to me.

[spree2kawhi]

The Timberwolves had a net rating of 0.65 with KAT on the court in the 2024 playoffs.
With KAT off the court, they had a positive net rating of +10.48

Imagine being such a negative detriment to your team after all these years and people still want to gut the team for him. But he has sexy numbers tho!!!!

The Knicks had a net rating of +2.57 with Randle on the court in the 2023 playoffs.

The Knicks had a net rating of -0.67 with Randle OFF the court in the 2023 playoffs.

Randle had a much better effect on his team on one ankle that required surgery than KAT did while being 100% healthy and surrounded by two all stars

Gut the team for KAT tho!!!!

The KAT defenders never acknowledge his net rating in the playoffs this year. I wonder why? I guess they don’t care about winning in the playoffs.

Because he’s proven to be an outstanding talent throughout his entire f***** career and even during the previous round of the playoffs, which he dominated before laying the egg. He was absolutely insane from the arc and even defensively against bigs throughout season and playoffs until right before that series. Unlike Randle, that’s nine straight years of sitting right at the top of the league at his position.

[3toheadmelo]

The Knicks had a net rating of +2.57 with Randle on the court in the 2023 playoffs.

The Knicks had a net rating of -0.67 with Randle OFF the court in the 2023 playoffs.

Randle had a much better effect on his team on one ankle that required surgery than KAT did while being 100% healthy and surrounded by two all stars

Gut the team for KAT tho!!!!

The KAT defenders never acknowledge his net rating in the playoffs this year. I wonder why? I guess they don’t care about winning in the playoffs.

Because he’s proven to be an outstanding talent throughout his entire f***** career and even during the previous round of the playoffs, which he dominated before laying the egg. He was absolutely insane from the arc and even defensively against bigs throughout season and playoffs until right before that series. Unlike Randle, that’s nine straight years of sitting right at the top of the league at his position.

All he’s proven so far is that he’s an empty stats player and lets his own team mates punk him.hell even Ben Simmons doesn’t even respect him. So far he’s done nothing to beat those allegations.

KAT was one of the worst defenders ever playing the 5 so I don’t know why you think that’s going to work all of a sudden. Why are you attracted to so many losing players?

[spree2kawhi]

The KAT defenders never acknowledge his net rating in the playoffs this year. I wonder why? I guess they don’t care about winning in the playoffs.

Because he’s proven to be an outstanding talent throughout his entire f***** career and even during the previous round of the playoffs, which he dominated before laying the egg. He was absolutely insane from the arc and even defensively against bigs throughout season and playoffs until right before that series. Unlike Randle, that’s nine straight years of sitting right at the top of the league at his position.

All he’s proven so far is that he’s an empty stats player and lets his own team mates punk him.hell even Ben Simmons doesn’t even respect him. So far he’s done nothing to beat those allegations.

KAT was one of the worst defenders ever playing the 5 so I don’t know why you think that’s going to work all of a sudden. Why are you attracted to so many losing players?

This from you out of all people. They called Nowitzki everything they call towns now - until he won. Towns is a top talent. He has also long proven that to people with eyes. Once you decide to look past narrative and agenda, it might be possible to actually talk about basketball here.

Edit: let me add my answer to your question: I like players with intangibles.

[Iron Mantis]

The Knicks had a net rating of +2.57 with Randle on the court in the 2023 playoffs.

The Knicks had a net rating of -0.67 with Randle OFF the court in the 2023 playoffs.

Randle had a much better effect on his team on one ankle that required surgery than KAT did while being 100% healthy and surrounded by two all stars

Gut the team for KAT tho!!!!

The KAT defenders never acknowledge his net rating in the playoffs this year. I wonder why? I guess they don’t care about winning in the playoffs.

Because he’s proven to be an outstanding talent throughout his entire f***** career and even during the previous round of the playoffs, which he dominated before laying the egg. He was absolutely insane from the arc and even defensively against bigs throughout season and playoffs until right before that series. Unlike Randle, that’s nine straight years of sitting right at the top of the league at his position.

Randle has the worst playoff PER in NBA History of any player putting up 12 shot attempts.

Randle breaking records with historically bad playoff performances and somehow folks seriously want us to believe that's a good thing, he played well, and made the Knicks win???

While at the same time believing the superior player, KAT, could not make a positive contribution in the playoffs with this dominant Knicks team...

Kat is a huge reason why the wolves made it to the WCF. I would love to see how our Knicks could operate with porzingis being glued to the three-point line.

[3toheadmelo]

Because he’s proven to be an outstanding talent throughout his entire f***** career and even during the previous round of the playoffs, which he dominated before laying the egg. He was absolutely insane from the arc and even defensively against bigs throughout season and playoffs until right before that series. Unlike Randle, that’s nine straight years of sitting right at the top of the league at his position.

All he’s proven so far is that he’s an empty stats player and lets his own team mates punk him.hell even Ben Simmons doesn’t even respect him. So far he’s done nothing to beat those allegations.

KAT was one of the worst defenders ever playing the 5 so I don’t know why you think that’s going to work all of a sudden. Why are you attracted to so many losing players?

This from you out of all people. They called Nowitzki everything they call towns now - until he won. Towns is a top talent. He has also proven that to people with eyes. Once you decide to look past narrative and agenda, it might be possible to actually talk about basketball here.

Comparing Dirk to KAT now? that’s extremely disrespectful to a legend and probably the worst comp I’ve seen in these threads.

I’ve actually been talking basketball and posting stats to back up my arguments which you’ve done neither and alll of your rebuttals are “KaT iS tHE bEsT tAlENT eVAh!!” Talk about agendas.

Why do you think playing KAT at the 5 will work all of a sudden? Are you not aware he’s one of the worst defenders playing the 5?

It's quite possible Minnesota feels comfortable with Towns at the five, surrounded by elite perimeter defenders—but lineups with Towns at the pivot haven't yielded the best results on defense. In Minnesota's most played lineup excluding Gobert, and Towns at the five, the Wolves gave up 122 points per 100 possessions—ranking in the 21st percentile.

[3toheadmelo]

People really think playing KAT at the 5 is going to work when it never worked in the past and made the Timberwolves one of the worst teams ever lmfaoo

[3toheadmelo]

Well sounds like none of the KAT lovers here have no rebuttals to KAT’s terrible defense playing the 5 and no rebuttals to KAT’s awful net rating in the playoffs. Looks like my job here is done.

[Guano]

In case anyone missed it. Somehow some interpret this as Randle being a winning player and KAT being a losing player.

Randle would’ve been All-NBA for a third time if he hadn’t gotten injured.

Anyhow this is a waste of time.

It's the off-season so we are finding creative ways to waste time.

As soon as the season begins no one will be thinking about KAT at all.

It's most likely that the Knicks do not trade for him and we all know that.

C'mon now.

We all know when randle fcks up everyone is going to bring up kat. That's the petty sht we do around here.

[spree2kawhi]

All he’s proven so far is that he’s an empty stats player and lets his own team mates punk him.hell even Ben Simmons doesn’t even respect him. So far he’s done nothing to beat those allegations.

KAT was one of the worst defenders ever playing the 5 so I don’t know why you think that’s going to work all of a sudden. Why are you attracted to so many losing players?

This from you out of all people. They called Nowitzki everything they call towns now - until he won. Towns is a top talent. He has also proven that to people with eyes. Once you decide to look past narrative and agenda, it might be possible to actually talk about basketball here.

Comparing Dirk to KAT now? that’s extremely disrespectful to a legend and probably the worst comp I’ve seen in these threads.

I’ve actually been talking basketball and posting stats to back up my arguments which you’ve done neither and alll of your rebuttals are “KaT iS tHE bEsT tAlENT eVAh!!” Talk about agendas.

Why do you think playing KAT at the 5 will work all of a sudden? Are you not aware he’s one of the worst defenders playing the 5?

It's quite possible Minnesota feels comfortable with Towns at the five, surrounded by elite perimeter defenders—but lineups with Towns at the pivot haven't yielded the best results on defense. In Minnesota's most played lineup excluding Gobert, and Towns at the five, the Wolves gave up 122 points per 100 possessions—ranking in the 21st percentile.

This is just pathetic.

1) I didn’t compare the players but what was said about them. Clearly, judging from your performance here, you must have been one of the loudest to call Nowitzki soft before suddenly he wasn’t considered soft by the mainstream anymore. I’d bet my ass on that.

2) I’ve posted comparisons of numerous career stats and career FG%, 3FG%, career rebounding, scoring, whatever doesn’t suit you. I don’t have time to do it twice a day, so I won’t bother. You might as well take what iron mantis just posted, or look up career numbers yourself. Towns is legit, like it or not. He does well defensively against the Jokics Embiids etc in the league, which is relevant. It’s ridiculous to talk down such a talent the way you do.

3) The way you’ve been taking this topic personal is odd. This Towns to NY thing is all very unlikely, and I could care less, but after all, Randle just happens to be the inferior player, less versatile, more erratic despite that Dallas series, less reliable, smaller, in a contract year etc. No need to lose any hair over it.

[spree2kawhi]

Well sounds like none of the KAT lovers here have no rebuttals to KAT’s terrible defense playing the 5 and no rebuttals to KAT’s awful net rating in the playoffs. Looks like my job here is done.

They might also not care enough as this is not a job.

[spree2kawhi]

Randle would’ve been All-NBA for a third time if he hadn’t gotten injured.

Anyhow this is a waste of time.

It's the off-season so we are finding creative ways to waste time.

As soon as the season begins no one will be thinking about KAT at all.

It's most likely that the Knicks do not trade for him and we all know that.

C'mon now.

We all know when randle fcks up everyone is going to bring up kat. That's the petty sht we do around here.

I know when Randle fcks up, everyone is going to bring up his ankle the homerism here is stupid. Towns is the better player. I’m out now.

[3toheadmelo]

This from you out of all people. They called Nowitzki everything they call towns now - until he won. Towns is a top talent. He has also proven that to people with eyes. Once you decide to look past narrative and agenda, it might be possible to actually talk about basketball here.

Comparing Dirk to KAT now? that’s extremely disrespectful to a legend and probably the worst comp I’ve seen in these threads.

I’ve actually been talking basketball and posting stats to back up my arguments which you’ve done neither and alll of your rebuttals are “KaT iS tHE bEsT tAlENT eVAh!!” Talk about agendas.

Why do you think playing KAT at the 5 will work all of a sudden? Are you not aware he’s one of the worst defenders playing the 5?

It's quite possible Minnesota feels comfortable with Towns at the five, surrounded by elite perimeter defenders—but lineups with Towns at the pivot haven't yielded the best results on defense. In Minnesota's most played lineup excluding Gobert, and Towns at the five, the Wolves gave up 122 points per 100 possessions—ranking in the 21st percentile.

This is just pathetic.

1) I didn’t compare the players but what was said about them. Clearly, judging from your performance here, you must have been one of the loudest to call Nowitzki soft before suddenly he wasn’t considered soft by the mainstream anymore. I’d bet my ass on that.

2) I’ve posted comparisons of numerous career stats and career FG%, 3FG%, career rebounding, scoring, whatever doesn’t suit you. I don’t have time to do it twice a day, so I won’t bother. You might as well take what iron mantis just posted, or look up career numbers yourself. Towns is legit, like it or not. He does well defensively against the Jokics Embiids etc in the league, which is relevant. It’s ridiculous to talk down such a talent the way you do.

3) The way you’ve been taking this topic personal is odd. This Towns to NY thing is all very unlikely, Andi could care less, but after all, Randle just happens to be the inferior player, less versatile, more erratic despite that Dallas series, less reliable, smaller, in a contract year etc. No need to lose any hair over it.

Sig bet that you can't find a post of me calling Dirk soft then. You said you'd bet your ass on it right? Put your money where your mouth is then. Comparing a HOFer Dirk to KAT is just an absurd comparison and the mods should put you on a temp ban for it

Sounds like you're the only one taking this personal and being butthurt about it. Me and Iron are cool about this, it's not that serious and it's just to waste time like he said. Can't speak for you tho. You sound extremely hurt that I don't see KAT as one of the best bigs in the league. Not fun. Anyways, this is a waste of time since you can't post any rebuttals to any of my arguments. It will be fun watching Randle destroy your man KAT again and again though, because I'm a Knicks fan.

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[3toheadmelo]

Well sounds like none of the KAT lovers here have no rebuttals to KAT’s terrible defense playing the 5 and no rebuttals to KAT’s awful net rating in the playoffs. Looks like my job here is done.

They might also not care enough as this is not a job.

Sounds like an excuse for someone with an agenda who doesn't know how to talk basketball

[spree2kawhi]

The KAT defenders never acknowledge his net rating in the playoffs this year. I wonder why? I guess they don’t care about winning in the playoffs.

Because he’s proven to be an outstanding talent throughout his entire f***** career and even during the previous round of the playoffs, which he dominated before laying the egg. He was absolutely insane from the arc and even defensively against bigs throughout season and playoffs until right before that series. Unlike Randle, that’s nine straight years of sitting right at the top of the league at his position.

Randle has the worst playoff PER in NBA History of any player putting up 12 shot attempts.

Randle breaking records with historically bad playoff performances and somehow folks seriously want us to believe that's a good thing, he played well, and made the Knicks win???

While at the same time believing the superior player, KAT, could not make a positive contribution in the playoffs with this dominant Knicks team...

Kat is a huge reason why the wolves made it to the WCF. I would love to see how our Knicks could operate with porzingis being glued to the three-point line.

If that doesn’t register, I guess nothing will…

Consider the inferior career stats, inferior shooting skill and numbers, inferior basketball IQ, inferior positional versatility, inferior size, the ball-stopping ………….. or don’t consider it. I don’t care anymore. I’m not even s as fan of Towns and I like Randle more - but he’s just worse.