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mpharris36 wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:So they're thinking
Towns
Hart
Bridges
OG
Brunson
They probably don't want to be done. I would move Hart to the bench and get a stretch 4 but Towns has to play the 5.
thats likely the closing lineup...not sure if that will be starters
Buttah304 wrote:
I really don’t know how people can’t see that KAT coming here is going to help Brunson out tremendously.
We’ve seen teams do this to Jalen during the regular season, but it really gets amplified in the playoffs over a 7 game series. Teams do not care if Mitch is slipping a screen or crapping their pants at the thought of a tear-drop floater by iHart.
Chanel Bomber wrote:This board really is full of bad people.
mpharris36 wrote:E-Balla wrote:mpharris36 wrote:once we traded for OG (knowing we were going to pay him) and then traded for Mikal knowing we will pay him...and extended Brunson...there is no more "capf lexiblity" is over...we officially signed the next 4-5 years we will be tax apron team. No getting out at this point. Randle leaving for nothing (for example) doesn't give us any additional flexibility (it just would happen what happened to ihart..he leaves and you can't replace him.
Randle could've been traded later, the MLE still exists, we still would've had access to waivers. A player like Hartenstein was signed using an exception that we would've still had access to before this move. Chances are Mitch is gone and not for any type of good replacement because we can't afford it. I really don't see us going above the 2nd apron for a 45 win squad.
if Randle opts out (clearly likely at this poin). How can we trade him with S&T less and less likely now under new CBA.
and how many teams are banging down the door to trade for Randle, who is an extremely talented player but awkward fit for a lot of teams. (he's not a floor spacer or a defender).
We won 50 games last year and added Mikal Bridges...how is this a 45 in team?
Clyde_Style wrote:
Jalen Brunson is our franchise player and he accepted less so other players needed to contend like OG could get paid. It also allowed for this trade to happen.
Guano wrote:Buttah304 wrote:
I really don’t know how people can’t see that KAT coming here is going to help Brunson out tremendously.
We’ve seen teams do this to Jalen during the regular season, but it really gets amplified in the playoffs over a 7 game series. Teams do not care if Mitch is slipping a screen or crapping their pants at the thought of a tear-drop floater by iHart.
No one is denying his offensive talent. He is definitely going to help the offense. Though he does choke in the playoffs. It happened last year in the wcf and against the grizzlies a few years back.
The glaring concern is on the defensive end.
ibraheim718 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:So they're thinking
Towns
Hart
Bridges
OG
Brunson
They probably don't want to be done. I would move Hart to the bench and get a stretch 4 but Towns has to play the 5.
thats likely the closing lineup...not sure if that will be starters
They were probably thinking they had good size and length on the perimeter and they can just have Towns chill in the middle. It's not a bad idea.. honestly. Especially if you think they want to score a lot of points.
E-Balla wrote:bronxknicksfan1 wrote:I’m curious as to what some of you think Donte was going to do on a fully healthy Knicks team and where his value would be compared to now.
He wasn’t going to start. Mikal took his spot. He wouldn’t backup either Brunson or OG, that’s either Deuce or Hart doing that. His minutes would be around where it was earlier in the season when he was a reserve. That was around 15-20 min. So where would his value be if he played for a few months?
Leon traded him while the iron was hot and traded Donte while his value was at the highest it’ll ever be. Again, a shooter off the bench is a dime in a dozen. He may not be as good, but Shamet is a career 38% shooter. He can fill the role. Or find another cheap shooter on the market. What Leon did was peak asset management. Traded a player while he was at his peak value before letting that value wither away along with Randle, who was perceived to have little to no value around the league.
We have OG Anunoby and Karl-Anthony Towns starting with Thibs as head coach, why are we assuming good health? Donte was supposed to be a bench player last year too, he ended up 2nd in scoring and breaking franchise records for 3 point shooting. It's an 82 game season if you build a team expecting perfect health you're building wrong especially in the modern NBA with all these injuries. The Celtics won a ring without KP and didn't play a single healthy playoff squad.
Guano wrote:Buttah304 wrote:
I really don’t know how people can’t see that KAT coming here is going to help Brunson out tremendously.
We’ve seen teams do this to Jalen during the regular season, but it really gets amplified in the playoffs over a 7 game series. Teams do not care if Mitch is slipping a screen or crapping their pants at the thought of a tear-drop floater by iHart.
No one is denying his offensive talent. He is definitely going to help the offense. Though he does choke in the playoffs. It happened last year in the wcf and against the grizzlies a few years back.
The glaring concern is on the defensive end.
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Ihart is **** Fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bronxknicksfan1 wrote:E-Balla wrote:bronxknicksfan1 wrote:I’m curious as to what some of you think Donte was going to do on a fully healthy Knicks team and where his value would be compared to now.
He wasn’t going to start. Mikal took his spot. He wouldn’t backup either Brunson or OG, that’s either Deuce or Hart doing that. His minutes would be around where it was earlier in the season when he was a reserve. That was around 15-20 min. So where would his value be if he played for a few months?
Leon traded him while the iron was hot and traded Donte while his value was at the highest it’ll ever be. Again, a shooter off the bench is a dime in a dozen. He may not be as good, but Shamet is a career 38% shooter. He can fill the role. Or find another cheap shooter on the market. What Leon did was peak asset management. Traded a player while he was at his peak value before letting that value wither away along with Randle, who was perceived to have little to no value around the league.
We have OG Anunoby and Karl-Anthony Towns starting with Thibs as head coach, why are we assuming good health? Donte was supposed to be a bench player last year too, he ended up 2nd in scoring and breaking franchise records for 3 point shooting. It's an 82 game season if you build a team expecting perfect health you're building wrong especially in the modern NBA with all these injuries. The Celtics won a ring without KP and didn't play a single healthy playoff squad.
Donte was a bench player until Grimes finally lost the job and IQ/RJ were traded away to open up minutes for him. Even then, his minutes were sporadic until Grimes was traded. He wouldn’t have an issue with the Nova reunion if he didn’t know he was getting a reduced role. He’s the easiest piece out of all the guards to replace.
E-Balla wrote:Guano wrote:Buttah304 wrote:
I really don’t know how people can’t see that KAT coming here is going to help Brunson out tremendously.
We’ve seen teams do this to Jalen during the regular season, but it really gets amplified in the playoffs over a 7 game series. Teams do not care if Mitch is slipping a screen or crapping their pants at the thought of a tear-drop floater by iHart.
No one is denying his offensive talent. He is definitely going to help the offense. Though he does choke in the playoffs. It happened last year in the wcf and against the grizzlies a few years back.
The glaring concern is on the defensive end.
And his health. He can't help anyone from the bench.
Hes_On_Fire wrote:This just feels like a franchise crippling move and a culture altering move when it just wasn’t needed.
Reminds me of an Isiah Thomas trade.
NiceLikeChrist wrote:Randle and Hart were the only masculine forces on the team. This team isn't gonna be anywhere near as tough as we saw them be the last two seasons. Still can't believe they made this mistake when all we needed was a center who can actually play most of the season.
E-Balla wrote:bronxknicksfan1 wrote:E-Balla wrote:We have OG Anunoby and Karl-Anthony Towns starting with Thibs as head coach, why are we assuming good health? Donte was supposed to be a bench player last year too, he ended up 2nd in scoring and breaking franchise records for 3 point shooting. It's an 82 game season if you build a team expecting perfect health you're building wrong especially in the modern NBA with all these injuries. The Celtics won a ring without KP and didn't play a single healthy playoff squad.
Donte was a bench player until Grimes finally lost the job and IQ/RJ were traded away to open up minutes for him. Even then, his minutes were sporadic until Grimes was traded. He wouldn’t have an issue with the Nova reunion if he didn’t know he was getting a reduced role. He’s the easiest piece out of all the guards to replace.
He made 3.5 3s a game at 41% in the playoffs and was 3rd in made 3s last year. You cannot "easily" replace a player that's top 5 at shooting in the NBA. That's just not how this works.
mpharris36 wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
thats likely the closing lineup...not sure if that will be starters
They were probably thinking they had good size and length on the perimeter and they can just have Towns chill in the middle. It's not a bad idea.. honestly. Especially if you think they want to score a lot of points.
Scoring is what the NBA is about now. Who on Indy is some high level defender...they are dangerous because they can score a lot.