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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2061 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:00 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Yes.

KAT
53.2 touches per game, 1.9 time seconds average possession


Replacing

Randle
72.5 touches per game, 3.8 seconds average possession


That's helpful. Quick decisions. Zip zip zip.




Yeah, he has only had 1 season in his career where he touched the ball more than 70 times in a season, was 73.3 which was a career high. Randle has averaged 74.2 with us in his 5 years and had a season where he had an obscene 83.6 touches per game. Even with Jalen he never really took his foot off the gas, last year he was at 72.5 and an outrageous 48.5 times in the frontcourt, to put that in perspective he had the ball more in the front court than Giannis, Tatum, KD and AD. That's more than 3 first options, and more than a 2nd option who is an interior player :lol:


If KAT gets the ball as much as Randle did he'll averaged around 27ppg on much higher efficiency, the year he averaged 26.5ppg and 4.4apg he only touched the ball 69.5 times per game and only 2.0 secs per possession. He is an omega class offensive player compared to the ones we're losing.

How dare you say those unspeakable things of Randle! :lol:

Jokes aside tho, what’s your stats projections on KAT this season? You are one of few anti Randle fans I value their ball knowledge so I’m curious to hear what you think KAT is gonna average for us.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2062 » by KnixinSix » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:00 pm

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DOT wrote:I don't know where 3.8 seconds is coming from

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches?CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*nyk&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=AVG_SEC_PER_TOUCH

I see 3.2 seconds. Which is still a lot, but it's close enough to Mikal (2.9 seconds per touch) and it's not that long.



That's an excellent metric....... which reveals KAT will score in the flow of the game and find the open man vs Randle who has a tendency to tunnel vision on his own scoring and ball stop


Is Brunson a ball stopper or deuce since they lead the team in average seconds with per touch? It just says to me that Towns isn’t asked to create a lot of offense.


That IS part of it too but 3.8 as a PF is a very long avg time of possession. 1.9 for KAT means a lot of ball movement and he scores 20 on 20 less touches. Very efficient
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2063 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:03 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
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DOT wrote:I don't know where 3.8 seconds is coming from

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches?CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*nyk&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=AVG_SEC_PER_TOUCH

I see 3.2 seconds. Which is still a lot, but it's close enough to Mikal (2.9 seconds per touch) and it's not that long.



That's an excellent metric....... which reveals KAT will score in the flow of the game and find the open man vs Randle who has a tendency to tunnel vision on his own scoring and ball stop


Is Brunson a ball stopper or deuce since they lead the team in average seconds with per touch?


The top 15 for time of possession

Jalen
Luka
Trae
Ja
Dame
Maxey
LaMelo
Cade
SGA
Darius
FVV
Hali
Dejounte
Simons
Fox


Basically guards will have the ball the longest amount of time.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2064 » by SelbyCobra » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:04 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:

That's an excellent metric....... which reveals KAT will score in the flow of the game and find the open man vs Randle who has a tendency to tunnel vision on his own scoring and ball stop


Is Brunson a ball stopper or deuce since they lead the team in average seconds with per touch?


The top 15 for time of possession

Jalen
Luka
Trae
Ja
Dame
Maxey
LaMelo
Cade
SGA
Darius
FVV
Hali
Dejounte
Simons
Fox


Basically guards will have the ball the longest amount of time.


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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2065 » by Calinks » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:04 pm

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Calinks wrote:Towns is a far more gifted offensive player than a lot of you realize. Man was a walking top ten offense before the Gobert trade. I would say a good chunk, about 30 percent, of his offense was taken away once the Timberwolves got Rudy because Towns had to play PF against quicker guys and the spacing was much different on the court. Even with his neutered offensive game he still managed to put up roughly 20 PPG a night.

Him going back to center will open his game back up. He is an easy scorer and barely ever gets shut down one on one. He alsodrives a lot more than people think, he routinely cooked other Centers from the perimeter with his drives in the season or two before Gobert. His big problem was he gets tunel vision on those drives so when teams started to load up, he created a lot of turnovers. Befor teams got smart with the loading up and foul baiting though, he was roasting normal-slow center out there. It's why in the Memphis series they had to basically take Steven Adams out of the games, Adams is a damn good player but the dude was getting molested by Towns' drive game.

Give him a chance, you will see his crazy talent and reliability. Post-season he has had some problems for sure, I wont dispute that, but for the regular season, the dude is as consistent as it gets and is pure money when it comes to getting buckets. just put down the 20+ points every night on good efficiency, easy, no doubt about it.


I get the sense he doesn't _hold_ the ball too long. Is that accurate?


He doesn't, he looks to pass a lot but... when he drives, he gets tunnel vision. He will make an easy pass to another player around the paint, for example he was probably the second best facilitator to Gobert outside of Conely, he loves to get his teammates involved but he isn't as good of a playmaker as Randle probably is. That said, he is a willing passer for sure and he doesn't take a lot of time with the ball in his hands to do what he wants to do.

He's not the faster ball mover, on the Wolves, a guy like Naz Reid makes his choices instantly, Towns does think a bit or take some more time but he isn't a ballhog by any means or a ball stopper. On top of that he is incredibly efficient. Like I said before, he pretty much is a guaranteed bucket, so him getting the ball isn't a bad thing.

Even with Ant, I still always said Towns is the more RELIABLE scorer. The difference is, Ant in the last season has become a guy who can get his offense off in any situation where Towns would struggle against some defenses. I think a part of this is him playing PF and the paint being clogged up by Rudy. If he gets to play center again, its going to be pretty hard to stop Towns with a lot of space available to him.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2066 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:04 pm

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E-Balla wrote:Same lame **** not contributing to conversation. This thread has turned into a few people coping by posting blatant lies (KAT as a top 4 defender inside of 6 feet was the most insane **** I ever seen), people pretending there's no risk because KAT isn't injury prone (a MF said they don't count meniscus tears :lol: ), you trolling, and a a small handful of people actually talking hoops.

When the homers take over the threads that’s when it gets toxic. They be attacking you if you not delusional about a Knick. It was the same thing with RJ.

Yeah it's the homers who are toxic not you who literally does nothing but bring toxicity and trolling and negativity to the board. :lol:

Bros upset he's getting a taste of his own medicine after trolling when RJ got traded and he can't take it so he's crashing out


WTF? E Ballabag was running rampant on here insulting everyone on the board about this trade for two days!. Meanwhile people were destroying every point he tried to make. Lying about and exaggerating every little thing.

All I said was if we were all in a room or whatever and he was talking to everyone like that he'd be picking his teeth up off the floor. Which is the truth. Fake ass tough guy with a big fuggin mouth. Then I dismissed him and he would reply to my posts saying **** about how I have him in ignore but keep taking. Dumb ass...you were responding to my posts!!

Melo is a big mouth troll and a liar as well. It's little children like this that stir the board up. One could argue that E balls is his burner account! Taking shifts trolling the board like children. Hersports destroyed him and he tried to flip it like she was he problem? No...YOU are the fuggin problem.

I walked away and haven't engaged since. Here they are talking **** and lying to each other...when it's the same person...acting like it's us who start shyt? FOH

Take both your bytch ass to the Minny board and leave the grown ups to have discussions while you guys play patty cakes and dress up for tea parties.

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2067 » by KnixinSix » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:07 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
That's helpful. Quick decisions. Zip zip zip.




Yeah, he has only had 1 season in his career where he touched the ball more than 70 times in a season, was 73.3 which was a career high. Randle has averaged 74.2 with us in his 5 years and had a season where he had an obscene 83.6 touches per game. Even with Jalen he never really took his foot off the gas, last year he was at 72.5 and an outrageous 48.5 times in the frontcourt, to put that in perspective he had the ball more in the front court than Giannis, Tatum, KD and AD. That's more than 3 first options, and more than a 2nd option who is an interior player :lol:


If KAT gets the ball as much as Randle did he'll averaged around 27ppg on much higher efficiency, the year he averaged 26.5ppg and 4.4apg he only touched the ball 69.5 times per game and only 2.0 secs per possession. He is an omega class offensive player compared to the ones we're losing.

How dare you say those unspeakable things of Randle! :lol:

Jokes aside tho, what’s your stats projections on KAT this season? You are one of few anti Randle fans I value their ball knowledge so I’m curious to hear what you think KAT is gonna average for us.


With Bridges as a better #3 than arguably anyone on the Wolves and Brunson the clear #1. I think KAT will average around 20-21ppg on extremely efficient scoring with excellent ball movement. Bridges will be around 17-18 and Brunny will be like 25.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2068 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:07 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
That's helpful. Quick decisions. Zip zip zip.




Yeah, he has only had 1 season in his career where he touched the ball more than 70 times in a season, was 73.3 which was a career high. Randle has averaged 74.2 with us in his 5 years and had a season where he had an obscene 83.6 touches per game. Even with Jalen he never really took his foot off the gas, last year he was at 72.5 and an outrageous 48.5 times in the frontcourt, to put that in perspective he had the ball more in the front court than Giannis, Tatum, KD and AD. That's more than 3 first options, and more than a 2nd option who is an interior player :lol:


If KAT gets the ball as much as Randle did he'll averaged around 27ppg on much higher efficiency, the year he averaged 26.5ppg and 4.4apg he only touched the ball 69.5 times per game and only 2.0 secs per possession. He is an omega class offensive player compared to the ones we're losing.

How dare you say those unspeakable things of Randle! :lol:

Jokes aside tho, what’s your stats projections on KAT this season? You are one of few anti Randle fans I value their ball knowledge so I’m curious to hear what you think KAT is gonna average for us.



I don't really know how they're going to use him in terms of pecking order, I would say we should have 3 guys that average 20ppg. I still think Mikal needs to be elevated to a more central role, but now with KAT here I don't know which one of them is going to get the ball the most. I'd expect Mikal to be the secondary on ball guy, and KAT being an outlet for both him and Brunson should get him more attempts.

With how quick he can make passes and how much OG, Mikal and Hart like to cut he could have a career year in passing.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2069 » by mpharris36 » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:09 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:You’re right, I was getting too optimistic. Might be tougher for Kolek to show out like IQ cause IQ was a good defender since day one. I think they are probably gonna develop Kolek in the g league for a bit like they did with deuce. Im not sure how I feel about cam Payne. I know I liked him when he was on those suns squads as a backup


Yeah Kolek might be in a situation where he just needs to stay ready and if an injury happens he might get his time to shine.

Especially since Kolek's weakest part of his game is defense thibs probably won't trust him yet.

Payne and or Shamet will get the first looks I would guess. But I believe in Kolek's skill set. If he develops right we might have our version of TJ McConnell.

Year 3 Kolek gonna go crazy for us :lol:

I’m out on shamet though. I think he’s ass lol


Yeah Shamet really isn't good...he probably is the best defender out of the 3...I don't know if thibs will value that...if we have Duece off the bench it would be nice to have more of a PG with him because that isn't Duece strong suit.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2070 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:13 pm

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Yeah, he has only had 1 season in his career where he touched the ball more than 70 times in a season, was 73.3 which was a career high. Randle has averaged 74.2 with us in his 5 years and had a season where he had an obscene 83.6 touches per game. Even with Jalen he never really took his foot off the gas, last year he was at 72.5 and an outrageous 48.5 times in the frontcourt, to put that in perspective he had the ball more in the front court than Giannis, Tatum, KD and AD. That's more than 3 first options, and more than a 2nd option who is an interior player :lol:


If KAT gets the ball as much as Randle did he'll averaged around 27ppg on much higher efficiency, the year he averaged 26.5ppg and 4.4apg he only touched the ball 69.5 times per game and only 2.0 secs per possession. He is an omega class offensive player compared to the ones we're losing.

How dare you say those unspeakable things of Randle! :lol:

Jokes aside tho, what’s your stats projections on KAT this season? You are one of few anti Randle fans I value their ball knowledge so I’m curious to hear what you think KAT is gonna average for us.



I don't really know how they're going to use him in terms of pecking order, I would say we should have 3 guys that average 20ppg. I still think Mikal needs to be elevated to a more central role, but now with KAT here I don't know which one of them is going to get the ball the most. I'd expect Mikal to be the secondary on ball guy, and KAT being an outlet for both him and Brunson should get him more attempts.

With how quick he can make passes and how much OG, Mikal and Hart like to cut he could have a career year in passing.

It’s gonna be interesting to see how Thibs uses KAT. Thibs loves to iso his stars so I feel like KAT can potentially have a monster year. I low key hope they can unleash KAT and get him to be a 24-27 PPG guy. He got the talent to do it on a daily basis.
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2072 » by SelbyCobra » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:15 pm

https://www.app.com/story/sports/nba/2024/10/02/karl-anthony-towns-joining-knicks-a-lifetime-dream-for-his-family/75429820007/

“Big Karl” Towns was with his son, four-time NBA All-Star Karl-Anthony Towns, in Minnesota on Friday when word came down: the Timberwolves were trading him to the New York Knicks.

The 28-year-old Karl-Anthony, a Piscataway native and St. Joseph-Metuchen High School graduate, is coming home.

“Surprised,” the elder Karl said of their reaction. “It’s something you didn’t expect, but it’s good to be back home.”

...


“It’s a lifetime dream,” the elder Karl said, speaking by phone. “Not everybody gets that opportunity, to put on a Knicks jersey and play in the mecca — it’s a dream come true. We’re very happy for him to go there and be a part of the success they’ve established.”

The move would have been deeply meaningful for Karl-Anthony’s beloved late mother, Jackie Cruz Towns, who died of Covid in 2020. Jackie was a regular at his games throughout his rise through the sport. The court at Kean University's Harwood Arena is named after her.

“She would be happy because her baby is back home – he’s back home where he started,” Karl Sr said. “She’s in heaven ecstatic.”

...

Karl Sr. said he already was planning on taking St. Joseph’s players to see Timberwolves-Knicks at the Garden this season.

“We’re still going – it’s just that we’ll be with the Knicks,” he said.

After countless trips to Minnesota over the past nine years, Big Karl’s travel itinerary just got a whole lot easier.

“Now, instead of taking plane rides, I’ll take car rides,” he said. “I’ll be up and down the Turnpike, but I wouldn’t want to be doing anything else.”
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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2073 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:15 pm

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Stop tryna back seat moderate. You should be glad that the mods are laid back now cause you pretty much are guilty of everything you said in that post too. Did it for 5 years straight. But you wanna play victim now lmao. This is what sham was talking about. Y’all weird for that.

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2074 » by E-Balla » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:17 pm

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That's an excellent metric....... which reveals KAT will score in the flow of the game and find the open man vs Randle who has a tendency to tunnel vision on his own scoring and ball stop


Is Brunson a ball stopper or deuce since they lead the team in average seconds with per touch? It just says to me that Towns isn’t asked to create a lot of offense.


That IS part of it too but 3.8 as a PF is a very long avg time of possession. 1.9 for KAT means a lot of ball movement and he scores 20 on 20 less touches. Very efficient

He's more comparable to Giannis, Tatum, and KD though because he ran point for us. His time of possession is under all 3 of those guys. Randle isn't a good passer, but I'd blame Thibs' point Randle bull Randle didn't play like that pre Thibs.
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Post#2075 » by E-Balla » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:20 pm

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Re: KAT To The Knicks Part 2 

Post#2077 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:24 pm

For nine years, Karl-Anthony Towns was the face of the franchise, at the center of everything they did, both on the court and off. Now that a stunning trade has been completed with the New York Knicks, there will be an entirely different feel around the organization.

“We don’t trade a person like KAT lightly,” president of basketball operations Tim Connelly said. “We were very specific with what it would take. Quite frankly, the asking price was very high when you see what these guys accomplished last year.”

When one of the biggest trades in Timberwolves history went down last weekend, it was easy to view the decision to move on from Towns as a financial one.

Towns was one of three Timberwolves players on max-level contracts, and he was starting a four-year, $220 million extension that will pay him $49 million this season. For the first time in quite a while, the Wolves were preparing to pay a huge luxury tax bill this season to keep together a team that was so successful last season.

There is no question that the deal will save the Wolves millions in luxury tax penalties. But coach Chris Finch said on Wednesday that the financial aspect was not the driving factor in making the trade.

“First and foremost, I think it’s extremely important to recognize that this is not a money deal,” Finch said. “Glen (Taylor) and our ownership was and is committed to paying large amounts of tax for this team to be highly competitive. That hasn’t changed. This deal in totality checks a lot of boxes. We think it’s a great basketball trade.”


Because Randle and DiVincenzo, combined, make about $10 million less than Towns, the Wolves theoretically would be able to drop below the second apron for the 2025-26 season, thereby reopening team-building possibilities that will be crucial to maintaining the depth they have today. Flexibility is the name of the game in today’s NBA economy, and Connelly knew that he had to find a way to claw some of it back for the coming seasons.

Why do it days before training camp opened and not wait until the middle of the season to see how the team performed? The Knicks have coveted Towns for years, but there were precious few other options out there for the Wolves, team and league sources said. The Timberwolves needed established players in return for one of their best, but the market wasn’t strong for a player who has missed at least 22 games in four of the last five seasons and will make $61 million in 2027-28. If Towns got injured or the team tanked in the standings, it could be even harder to find what they viewed as an asset-positive move.
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Post#2079 » by E-Balla » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:25 pm

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Post#2080 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Oct 3, 2024 5:34 pm

I wish the Knicks would post stuff like this. We never get to see any drills of our own players or any training camp footage. A bunch of teams around the league post stuff. It’s always the media guys getting low quality vids of our team. We gotta get with the times.


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