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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2081 » by JBreezeNY » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:03 am

mhi wrote:So y'all are fine with getting Lin back at what would essentially be a max contract ??

Factoring in luxury tax cap hit, his contract would cost roughly $50mil over the three years with $25 coming in all the last year.

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Post#2082 » by UnderdogKnicks » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:03 am

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KnicksGod wrote:If you're Grunwald and you're filling out the depth chart, ask yourself ... ROUGHLY SPEAKING:

Kidd replaces Baron

White replaces Shumpert

Prigioni replaces Bibby

Who replaces FIelds? FELTON.

Lin returns.

JR returns.

You still haven't added any depth with Felton over what you had last season. He's just part of replacing the same depth you had last season. And even that depth did not last through the playoffs.

Probably best to relax.


Why does every keep referring to prigioni as if he's actually going to get minutes? He hasn't played a single Nba minute, he might end up a practice body for his time with the Knicks


Wat u just quoted contradicts your statement. Prigioni = Mike Bibby pretty much means he is PG injury replacement and is a practice body.
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2083 » by Guano » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:03 am

mhi wrote:So y'all are fine with getting Lin back at what would essentially be a max contract ??

Factoring in luxury tax cap hit, his contract would cost roughly $50mil over the three years with $25 coming in all the last year.


What? Houston changed his contract. :o
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Post#2084 » by kNicksGmen » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:04 am

Guano wrote:
Knicks80_20 wrote:
Guano wrote:Been gone all day- what the hell is going on?

We aren't matching the rockets deal for Lin and we traded for Felton(What did we give up and what's his contract look like)? This a nightmare.

*138 pages is too much too read through


- Lin likely not going to matched according to most NBA sources

- Gadzurc and Jeffries traded for Felton + Crazy Eyes...details of the deal not certain but 10mill/3 years looks likely.


Wow, what does Felton's deal look like? Is it a strong commitment?

I have a hard time believing we gave up on Lin. Wasn't his contract he signed with Houston friendly 4/28. This is shocking news.
there is no way the knicks dont match. felton is just an insurance policy and for depth. don't believe the doomsday posters on here.
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2085 » by Knicks80_20 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:04 am

Guano wrote:
Knicks80_20 wrote:
Guano wrote:Been gone all day- what the hell is going on?

We aren't matching the rockets deal for Lin and we traded for Felton(What did we give up and what's his contract look like)? This a nightmare.

*138 pages is too much too read through


- Lin likely not going to matched according to most NBA sources

- Gadzurc and Jeffries traded for Felton + Crazy Eyes...details of the deal not certain but 10mill/3 years looks likely.


Wow, what does Felton's deal look like? Is it a strong commitment?

I have a hard time believing we gave up on Lin. Wasn't his contract he signed with Houston friendly 4/28. This is shocking news.


Lin's deal was changed last minute by Morey to 25/3, with $15 mill for the third year. Apparently too much for Dolan and CO, so Felton is being brought in as an alternative. Deal for Felton could be 10/3 years or as high as 18/4 years...trade not yet completed so details unclear.
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2086 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:04 am

daBockas wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:If you're Grunwald and you're filling out the depth chart, ask yourself ... ROUGHLY SPEAKING:

Kidd replaces Baron

White replaces Shumpert

Prigioni replaces Bibby

Who replaces FIelds? FELTON.

Lin returns.

JR returns.

You still haven't added any depth with Felton over what you had last season. He's just part of replacing the same depth you had last season. And even that depth did not last through the playoffs.

Probably best to relax.


Why does every keep referring to prigioni as if he's actually going to get minutes? He hasn't played a single Nba minute, he might end up a practice body for his time with the Knicks


Because he is one of the best PGs in the world outside the NBA and he is an expert at PnR, is healthy and durable and he has a reliable jumper. In other words, he is a legit PG far more than a guy like Felton. We'll need that floor generalship at some point even if he starting back in the depth chart initially.

Compared to last year, worrying about playing time for PGs is a damn luxury to have finally.
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Re: *Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin? 

Post#2087 » by NOODLESTYLE » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:04 am

Guano wrote:Wow, what does Felton's deal look like? Is it a strong commitment?

I have a hard time believing we gave up on Lin. Wasn't his contract he signed with Houston friendly 4/28. This is shocking news.


Rockets found a loop hole. The 3 year deal averages to 8 million per for them, while the Knicks have to pay around $15 mill + luxury taxes in the final year.
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Post#2088 » by ITALIA17 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:05 am

NOODLESTYLE wrote:
Guano wrote:Wow, what does Felton's deal look like? Is it a strong commitment?

I have a hard time believing we gave up on Lin. Wasn't his contract he signed with Houston friendly 4/28. This is shocking news.


Rockets found a loop hole. The 3 year deal averages to 8 million per for them, while the Knicks have to pay around $15 mill + luxury taxes in the final year.


Which comes out to around 30 million that year
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Post#2089 » by Mr_Perfect » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:06 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
daBockas wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:If you're Grunwald and you're filling out the depth chart, ask yourself ... ROUGHLY SPEAKING:

Kidd replaces Baron

White replaces Shumpert

Prigioni replaces Bibby

Who replaces FIelds? FELTON.

Lin returns.

JR returns.

You still haven't added any depth with Felton over what you had last season. He's just part of replacing the same depth you had last season. And even that depth did not last through the playoffs.

Probably best to relax.


Why does every keep referring to prigioni as if he's actually going to get minutes? He hasn't played a single Nba minute, he might end up a practice body for his time with the Knicks


Because he is one of the best PGs in the world outside the NBA and he is an expert at PnR, is healthy and durable and he has a reliable jumper. In other words, he is a legit PG far more than a guy like Felton. We'll need that floor generalship at some point even if he starting back in the depth chart initially.

Compared to last year, worrying about playing time for PGs is a damn luxury to have finally.


Best PG's in the world according to who? Most people, including myself, who watch European basketball know Prigioni is done.
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Post#2090 » by Guano » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:08 am

NOODLESTYLE wrote:
Guano wrote:Wow, what does Felton's deal look like? Is it a strong commitment?

I have a hard time believing we gave up on Lin. Wasn't his contract he signed with Houston friendly 4/28. This is shocking news.


Rockets found a loop hole. The 3 year deal averages to 8 million per for them, while the Knicks have to pay around $15 mill + luxury taxes in the final year.


Seems like we would match. With Lin's popularity in the Asian market he would easily cover that contract.
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Post#2091 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:09 am

Guano wrote:
Knicks80_20 wrote:
Guano wrote:Been gone all day- what the hell is going on?

We aren't matching the rockets deal for Lin and we traded for Felton(What did we give up and what's his contract look like)? This a nightmare.

*138 pages is too much too read through


- Lin likely not going to matched according to most NBA sources

- Gadzurc and Jeffries traded for Felton + Crazy Eyes...details of the deal not certain but 10mill/3 years looks likely.


Wow, what does Felton's deal look like? Is it a strong commitment?

I have a hard time believing we gave up on Lin. Wasn't his contract he signed with Houston friendly 4/28. This is shocking news.


There is a tool fest here claiming Lin is gone. Actually, odds are he is not, so don't listen to the BS. I wouldn't be suprised at this point if there aren't some agents of rumor spreading among the posters popping up now, because most of the stuff being said to explain why Lin is gone sounds like grade school counter-espionage, not sensible talk from actual Knicks fans. Felton is not a very good PG and if you believe the Knicks will take their investment in everyone else and put them on Raymond's shoulders, then you're believing a pretty far-fetched scenario. The Knicks would have to be stone cold idiots to not match contrary to some comments here.
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Post#2092 » by kNicksGmen » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:09 am

again... people continue to calculate the tax hit in year 3 with no clear idea of what the roster will be at that point. assuming melo accepts his player option as well as stat and chandler still being on the books is quite an assumption. there is no reason to not match lin. he can always be used as a trade chip at worst.

knicks are going to match. the felton move was not some desperate last second panic move to replace lin. there were rumors knicks were trying to sign n trade for him or use the mmle on him long ago. he's simply another good player for the knicks backcourt depth, something that was a big problem last year.

lin, kidd, felton, jr... that's pretty much it until shump comes back.
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Post#2093 » by Knicks80_20 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:09 am

Guano wrote:
NOODLESTYLE wrote:
Guano wrote:Wow, what does Felton's deal look like? Is it a strong commitment?

I have a hard time believing we gave up on Lin. Wasn't his contract he signed with Houston friendly 4/28. This is shocking news.


Rockets found a loop hole. The 3 year deal averages to 8 million per for them, while the Knicks have to pay around $15 mill + luxury taxes in the final year.


Seems like we would match. With Lin's popularity in the Asian market he would easily cover that contract.


Would seem so, but most sources saying Knicks don't plan on matching. We'll have to wait and see.
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Post#2094 » by NoLayupRule » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:09 am

once again

The only reason we wouldn't sign Lin is if we didn't want to pay the luxury tax in his third year

its not that big a deal

NY can and has and probably always will pay the lux tax

we've done it year after year just to get midlevel draft picks, you think we won't do it for Lin?


Lin makes 5mil a year for the next two years
unless he sucks, and there is no reason to think so, then he's very tradable in those two seasons. His third and potentially fourth years are the scary ones but

again, its just luxury tax thats at issue. which is Dolan's profit margin. Why any fan would care about us paying luxury tax in 3 years more than brining in Lin is beyond me
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Post#2095 » by msg33 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:10 am

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He isn't going anywhere near the vet minimum unless it's with the lakers...


Lakers, Suns, Heats, Knicks... etc. He fits into Woodson's dream of adding more vets and Hill is right up there in age and experience
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Post#2096 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:12 am

Mr_Perfect wrote:Best PG's in the world according to who? Most people, including myself, who watch European basketball know Prigioni is done.


So is Kidd and Camby and Kurt Thomas according to the negatrons on this board. We're talking about spot minutes and if he's done, then the Knicks got themselves a guy who is still better than Bibby and that is some depth at a bargain price.
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Post#2097 » by ITALIA17 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:13 am

I want a dead ass YES or NO from people, because I find it insane personally.

Does anyone realistically think LIN is worth 15 MILLION in one year after only playing not even half a season. Add the tax to that and the number is higher. Get rid of the lin love and think for a min

Id say NoNOOOOO
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Post#2098 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:13 am

Knicks80_20 wrote:
Guano wrote:
NOODLESTYLE wrote:Rockets found a loop hole. The 3 year deal averages to 8 million per for them, while the Knicks have to pay around $15 mill + luxury taxes in the final year.


Seems like we would match. With Lin's popularity in the Asian market he would easily cover that contract.


Would seem so, but most sources saying Knicks don't plan on matching. We'll have to wait and see.


And you're depending on "sources" instead of basic logic here? Those sources got plenty wrong so far.
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Post#2099 » by kNicksGmen » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:14 am

lol @ rockets found a loophole... actually thats been well known before free agency even started. they gave the same type of contract to asik. i remember it was originally reported that houston would offer 4 years 40 mil which would be 5-5-15-15 for the knicks. this was not a new development at all.
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Post#2100 » by Bravery » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:15 am

PG: Lin
PG: Davis
PG: Bibby
PG: Douglas

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PG: Felton
PG: Kidd
PG: Prigioni

You do have to factor in that half of our guards aren't exactly spring chickens. Practically our entire PG lineup from last season are wiped clean (Bibby, Davis and Douglas... Lin of course, is tentative) so we have to shore up. We also have a huge hole at SG after losing Fields.

Until Prigioni plays a game in the NBA, he still remains a mystery for now.

As we witnessed last season, we can never have too many guards.

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