Around the NBA - 2024-25 Season Continued

[ctorres]

Vogel coached the Suns last year and Bud is coaching this year

Both have won championships in the last 5 years

If the Suns are having issues with TWO coaches who have literally won championships just a few seasons ago, I just don't see the issue being the coaching

[knicks94]

I don’t see how any Knicks fan would want KD. He has proven his entire career that he isn’t a difference maker.

[HEZI]

Thibs has also lost as the higher seed year after year so i'm not sure about him maximizing the potential or just racking up regular season wins. They are currently the 3rd seed that has a losing record to the 6th seed. If they lose to a lower seed once again will you feel they maximized their potential?

Overachieving in the playoffs is harder than overachieving in the regular season. Just because you overachieve in the regular season and get a higher seed doesn’t guarantee you having a more favorable matchup in the playoffs. I’ve never seen Thibs lose a series that I thought he definitely should have won. But because he gets his team to overachieve, they get a higher seed and expectations are set high to now believe they should automatically be favored.

What’s OKC record versus the Mavs this year? Sometimes you just don’t get a good matchup for your team, it happens. A higher seed doesn’t mean every lower seed is just a better matchup. Some teams will strategically tank games to avoid a potential matchup, even higher seeds. It happens

When the Knicks swept the Hawks in the 20-21 regular season did you think they would lose to the Hawks in 5 games in the first round? I didn't. The polls from Game 1 of that series show most people on this board expected the Knicks to win. It wasn't close.

In 22-23 when the Knicks had a 3-1 record against the Heat in the regular season did you expect them to lose in 6 to the Heat? I didn't. I thought the Knicks had the best player in Brunson especially after Butler injured his ankle and I thought they had the better team.

Last season there were a few too many injuries for me to expect too much from the team but I still didn't feel they maximized their potential in the postseason.

Sometimes there are poor matchups but Thibs is also losing to teams in the postseason that he has had a ton of success against in the regular season so either he is not maximizing the potential of the team in the postseason or his regular season record is not a good indicator of how good his teams actually are and his reputation is built on his regular season record.

Hawks series was a 4 vs 5 matchup and that was when we had Elfrid Payton and Noel and those guys. Hawks were better. Randle is the worst playoff performer in history and that series cemented it. But yeah, we weren’t beating the Hawks just because we overachieved in the regular season they proved to be a better team.

Heat series they pretty much beat everybody in the East and made it to the Finals. We had Randle and Brunson getting cooked and Bam dominated Robinson. Heat were a better team clearly and showed that by beating everybody in the East, including teams who had more talent than us. We were 5th seed so we weren’t even the best team that Miami beat that year.

I think you are looking at it wrong, you aren’t taking into account the overachieving that takes place in the regular season for the team to reach that higher seed. There are teams with a lot more talent achieving less. 4th and 5th seeds, we aren’t talking about some great teams here. We haven’t had any generational type of talent. It’s usually guys that weren’t as good before they got here that end up elevating their games under Thibs so he plays a role into why we even get the seed that we get because on paper we haven’t had anything impressive before this season.

[ctorres]

I don’t see how any Knicks fan would want KD. He has proven his entire career that he isn’t a difference maker.

Alongside Brunson and KAT he would be nice

I couldn't get trades to work under the new cap rules when trying to use a combination of players other than KAT

[HEZI]

Vogel coached the Suns last year and Bud is coaching this year

Both have won championships in the last 5 years

If the Suns are having issues with TWO coaches who have literally won championships just a few seasons ago, I just don't see the issue being the coaching

If they were great coaches why did those organizations fire them soon after winning the chip? Just because they had things go right for one year while coaching generational talent doesn’t mean they are great coaches. Their failure to even get close again is what caused them to be fired by those very same organizations they won with

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[ctorres]

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I think he'll get traded for Bradley Beal in the summer

[JayTWill]

Overachieving in the playoffs is harder than overachieving in the regular season. Just because you overachieve in the regular season and get a higher seed doesn’t guarantee you having a more favorable matchup in the playoffs. I’ve never seen Thibs lose a series that I thought he definitely should have won. But because he gets his team to overachieve, they get a higher seed and expectations are set high to now believe they should automatically be favored.

What’s OKC record versus the Mavs this year? Sometimes you just don’t get a good matchup for your team, it happens. A higher seed doesn’t mean every lower seed is just a better matchup. Some teams will strategically tank games to avoid a potential matchup, even higher seeds. It happens

When the Knicks swept the Hawks in the 20-21 regular season did you think they would lose to the Hawks in 5 games in the first round? I didn't. The polls from Game 1 of that series show most people on this board expected the Knicks to win. It wasn't close.

In 22-23 when the Knicks had a 3-1 record against the Heat in the regular season did you expect them to lose in 6 to the Heat? I didn't. I thought the Knicks had the best player in Brunson especially after Butler injured his ankle and I thought they had the better team.

Last season there were a few too many injuries for me to expect too much from the team but I still didn't feel they maximized their potential in the postseason.

Sometimes there are poor matchups but Thibs is also losing to teams in the postseason that he has had a ton of success against in the regular season so either he is not maximizing the potential of the team in the postseason or his regular season record is not a good indicator of how good his teams actually are and his reputation is built on his regular season record.

Hawks series was a 4 vs 5 matchup and that was when we had Elfrid Payton and Noel and those guys. Hawks were better. Randle is the worst playoff performer in history and that series cemented it. But yeah, we weren’t beating the Hawks just because we overachieved in the regular season they proved to be a better team.

Heat series they pretty much beat everybody in the East and made it to the Finals. We had Randle and Brunson getting cooked and Bam dominated Robinson. Heat were a better team clearly and showed that by beating everybody in the East, including teams who had more talent than us. We were 5th seed so we weren’t even the best team that Miami beat that year.

I think you are looking at it wrong, you aren’t taking into account the overachieving that takes place in the regular season for the team to reach that higher seed. There are teams with a lot more talent achieving less. 4th and 5th seeds, we aren’t talking about some great teams here. We haven’t had any generational type of talent. It’s usually guys that weren’t as good before they got here that end up elevating their games under Thibs so he plays a role into why we even get the seed that we get because on paper we haven’t had anything impressive before this season.

Are they overachieving in the regular season or simply pushing for regular season wins and immediate success harder than most teams in the regular season? There are other teams developing their young players on the court, resting guys, limiting minutes, working on zone defenses/offenses, experimenting with many different lineup/role combinations etc in an attempt to put themselves in a better position for the future/postseason. They may sacrifice some regular season wins in the process. Thibs is not trying to sacrifice a single win.

I feel like Thibs raises the floor by simplifying things and reducing the variables but I wouldn't say he maximizes the potential ceiling of the team. Many coaches wouldn't even have attempted to build an offense around guys like Randle and Burks as they would see it having a limited ceiling without long-term success but it was more beneficial to a coach like Thibs who is looking for more immediate results. Why should I credit Thibs for maximizing regular season wins and playoff seeding but absolve him from the blame of playoffs failures? He plays a role in both.

Is there anything that could happen to make you doubt Thibs?

[HEZI]

When the Knicks swept the Hawks in the 20-21 regular season did you think they would lose to the Hawks in 5 games in the first round? I didn't. The polls from Game 1 of that series show most people on this board expected the Knicks to win. It wasn't close.

In 22-23 when the Knicks had a 3-1 record against the Heat in the regular season did you expect them to lose in 6 to the Heat? I didn't. I thought the Knicks had the best player in Brunson especially after Butler injured his ankle and I thought they had the better team.

Last season there were a few too many injuries for me to expect too much from the team but I still didn't feel they maximized their potential in the postseason.

Sometimes there are poor matchups but Thibs is also losing to teams in the postseason that he has had a ton of success against in the regular season so either he is not maximizing the potential of the team in the postseason or his regular season record is not a good indicator of how good his teams actually are and his reputation is built on his regular season record.

Hawks series was a 4 vs 5 matchup and that was when we had Elfrid Payton and Noel and those guys. Hawks were better. Randle is the worst playoff performer in history and that series cemented it. But yeah, we weren’t beating the Hawks just because we overachieved in the regular season they proved to be a better team.

Heat series they pretty much beat everybody in the East and made it to the Finals. We had Randle and Brunson getting cooked and Bam dominated Robinson. Heat were a better team clearly and showed that by beating everybody in the East, including teams who had more talent than us. We were 5th seed so we weren’t even the best team that Miami beat that year.

I think you are looking at it wrong, you aren’t taking into account the overachieving that takes place in the regular season for the team to reach that higher seed. There are teams with a lot more talent achieving less. 4th and 5th seeds, we aren’t talking about some great teams here. We haven’t had any generational type of talent. It’s usually guys that weren’t as good before they got here that end up elevating their games under Thibs so he plays a role into why we even get the seed that we get because on paper we haven’t had anything impressive before this season.

Are they overachieving in the regular season or simply pushing for regular season wins and immediate success harder than most teams in the regular season? There are other teams developing their young players on the court, resting guys, limiting minutes, working on zone defenses/offenses, experimenting with many different lineup/role combinations etc in an attempt to put themselves in a better position for the future/postseason. They may sacrifice some regular season wins in the process. Thibs is not trying to sacrifice a single win.

I feel like Thibs raises the floor by simplifying things and reducing the variables but I wouldn't say he maximizes the potential ceiling of the team. Many coaches wouldn't even have attempted to build an offense around guys like Randle and Burks as they would see it having a limited ceiling without long-term success but it was more beneficial to a coach like Thibs who is looking for more immediate results. Why should I credit Thibs for maximizing regular season wins and playoff seeding but absolve him from the blame of playoffs failures? He plays a role in both.

Is there anything that could happen to make you doubt Thibs?

I think they have been trying to win games and have turned us from the leagues laughing stock into a pretty successful organization in recent history. Have we forgotten where we came from?

I do see teams trying to develop some of their young players and a lot of them simply stink and will never pan out. All teams are using the GLeague as well for development and that’s what we have done as well. Many players have had to go through that route, including Deuce and he’s now one of our better players.

Yeah there are teams that are trying different things, most of them aren’t going anywhere and aren’t playing for anything or the coach is simply trying things out of desperation because something else just isn’t working. It’s not always some masterful strategy, some teams have no other choice but to try another method.

Thibs didn’t build an offense around Randle and Burks, he was playing the cards he was dealt. That’s his role as coach. Randle was here before Thibs so that’s on Mills and Perry.

[MrDollarBills]

Vogel coached the Suns last year and Bud is coaching this year

Both have won championships in the last 5 years

If the Suns are having issues with TWO coaches who have literally won championships just a few seasons ago, I just don't see the issue being the coaching

The stupidest thing they ever could have done is traded for Kevin Durant. er Bradley Beal

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Sixer fans are going through some things

[JayTWill]

Hawks series was a 4 vs 5 matchup and that was when we had Elfrid Payton and Noel and those guys. Hawks were better. Randle is the worst playoff performer in history and that series cemented it. But yeah, we weren’t beating the Hawks just because we overachieved in the regular season they proved to be a better team.

Heat series they pretty much beat everybody in the East and made it to the Finals. We had Randle and Brunson getting cooked and Bam dominated Robinson. Heat were a better team clearly and showed that by beating everybody in the East, including teams who had more talent than us. We were 5th seed so we weren’t even the best team that Miami beat that year.

I think you are looking at it wrong, you aren’t taking into account the overachieving that takes place in the regular season for the team to reach that higher seed. There are teams with a lot more talent achieving less. 4th and 5th seeds, we aren’t talking about some great teams here. We haven’t had any generational type of talent. It’s usually guys that weren’t as good before they got here that end up elevating their games under Thibs so he plays a role into why we even get the seed that we get because on paper we haven’t had anything impressive before this season.

Are they overachieving in the regular season or simply pushing for regular season wins and immediate success harder than most teams in the regular season? There are other teams developing their young players on the court, resting guys, limiting minutes, working on zone defenses/offenses, experimenting with many different lineup/role combinations etc in an attempt to put themselves in a better position for the future/postseason. They may sacrifice some regular season wins in the process. Thibs is not trying to sacrifice a single win.

I feel like Thibs raises the floor by simplifying things and reducing the variables but I wouldn't say he maximizes the potential ceiling of the team. Many coaches wouldn't even have attempted to build an offense around guys like Randle and Burks as they would see it having a limited ceiling without long-term success but it was more beneficial to a coach like Thibs who is looking for more immediate results. Why should I credit Thibs for maximizing regular season wins and playoff seeding but absolve him from the blame of playoffs failures? He plays a role in both.

Is there anything that could happen to make you doubt Thibs?

I think they have been trying to win games and have turned us from the leagues laughing stock into a pretty successful organization in recent history. Have we forgotten where we came from?

I do see teams trying to develop some of their young players and a lot of them simply stink and will never pan out. All teams are using the GLeague as well for development and that’s what we have done as well. Many players have had to go through that route, including Deuce and he’s now one of our better players.

Yeah there are teams that are trying different things, most of them aren’t going anywhere and aren’t playing for anything or the coach is simply trying things out of desperation because something else just isn’t working. It’s not always some masterful strategy, some teams have no other choice but to try another method.

Thibs didn’t build an offense around Randle and Burks, he was playing the cards he was dealt. That’s his role as coach. Randle was here before Thibs so that’s on Mills and Perry.

Why should I credit Thibs for maximizing regular season wins against teams that all have different objectives but absolve him from the blame of playoffs failures when every team has the same goal as he does? Thibs has to show his value when it matters most just like players do. There is a reason Brunson is more respected around here than someone like Randle despite both of them having multiple regular season awards. If KAT comes up small in the postseason people will question his value. Thibs deserves the same scrutiny.

Honestly is there anything that could happen to make you question Thibs or is just making the postseason enough for you? What are your expectations for him and this team this year?

[Guano]

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Sixer fans are going through some things

they're in the flagg sweepstake

[Capn'O]

So, like everyone suspected, the Max Christie trade is working out swimmingly for the Mavs.

[HEZI]

Are they overachieving in the regular season or simply pushing for regular season wins and immediate success harder than most teams in the regular season? There are other teams developing their young players on the court, resting guys, limiting minutes, working on zone defenses/offenses, experimenting with many different lineup/role combinations etc in an attempt to put themselves in a better position for the future/postseason. They may sacrifice some regular season wins in the process. Thibs is not trying to sacrifice a single win.

I feel like Thibs raises the floor by simplifying things and reducing the variables but I wouldn't say he maximizes the potential ceiling of the team. Many coaches wouldn't even have attempted to build an offense around guys like Randle and Burks as they would see it having a limited ceiling without long-term success but it was more beneficial to a coach like Thibs who is looking for more immediate results. Why should I credit Thibs for maximizing regular season wins and playoff seeding but absolve him from the blame of playoffs failures? He plays a role in both.

Is there anything that could happen to make you doubt Thibs?

I think they have been trying to win games and have turned us from the leagues laughing stock into a pretty successful organization in recent history. Have we forgotten where we came from?

I do see teams trying to develop some of their young players and a lot of them simply stink and will never pan out. All teams are using the GLeague as well for development and that’s what we have done as well. Many players have had to go through that route, including Deuce and he’s now one of our better players.

Yeah there are teams that are trying different things, most of them aren’t going anywhere and aren’t playing for anything or the coach is simply trying things out of desperation because something else just isn’t working. It’s not always some masterful strategy, some teams have no other choice but to try another method.

Thibs didn’t build an offense around Randle and Burks, he was playing the cards he was dealt. That’s his role as coach. Randle was here before Thibs so that’s on Mills and Perry.

Why should I credit Thibs for maximizing regular season wins against teams that all have different objectives but absolve him from the blame of playoffs failures when every team has the same goal as he does? Thibs has to show his value when it matters most just like players do. There is a reason Brunson is more respected around here than someone like Randle despite both of them having multiple regular season awards. If KAT comes up small in the postseason people will question his value. Thibs deserves the same scrutiny.

Honestly is there anything that could happen to make you question Thibs or is just making the postseason enough for you? What are your expectations for him and this team this year?

You first have to be realistic about the roster and your expectations of it before you can even judge the coach. Your view of what success and failure is might be different than mine depending on how you view the roster and what your expectations are of it. If the team is built to be a 2nd round at best team and they make it to the 2nd round and lose, that’s not failure that’s just who they are.

[JayTWill]

I think they have been trying to win games and have turned us from the leagues laughing stock into a pretty successful organization in recent history. Have we forgotten where we came from?

I do see teams trying to develop some of their young players and a lot of them simply stink and will never pan out. All teams are using the GLeague as well for development and that’s what we have done as well. Many players have had to go through that route, including Deuce and he’s now one of our better players.

Yeah there are teams that are trying different things, most of them aren’t going anywhere and aren’t playing for anything or the coach is simply trying things out of desperation because something else just isn’t working. It’s not always some masterful strategy, some teams have no other choice but to try another method.

Thibs didn’t build an offense around Randle and Burks, he was playing the cards he was dealt. That’s his role as coach. Randle was here before Thibs so that’s on Mills and Perry.

Why should I credit Thibs for maximizing regular season wins against teams that all have different objectives but absolve him from the blame of playoffs failures when every team has the same goal as he does? Thibs has to show his value when it matters most just like players do. There is a reason Brunson is more respected around here than someone like Randle despite both of them having multiple regular season awards. If KAT comes up small in the postseason people will question his value. Thibs deserves the same scrutiny.

Honestly is there anything that could happen to make you question Thibs or is just making the postseason enough for you? What are your expectations for him and this team this year?

You first have to be realistic about the roster and your expectations of it before you can even judge the coach. Your view of what success and failure is might be different than mine depending on how you view the roster and what your expectations are of it. If the team is built to be a 2nd round at best team and they make it to the 2nd round and lose, that’s not failure that’s just who they are.

I'm not one of those people that were super high on the roster they created this off-season especially with what it cost. You can judge the players, the coach and the front office all at the same time. I'm asking you what your expectations are for the team with this coach and this roster.

[ctorres]

So, like everyone suspected, the Max Christie trade is working out swimmingly for the Mavs.

he's kind of like the marc gasol in the pau gasol trade

[Montmorencie]

Vogel coached the Suns last year and Bud is coaching this year

Both have won championships in the last 5 years

If the Suns are having issues with TWO coaches who have literally won championships just a few seasons ago, I just don't see the issue being the coaching

The issue is the snake. He has been the issue for the last 15 years in every single team he's been. And we are talking about stacked superteams with Russ, Harden and Ibaka, then he joined the best or second best team in the history(up to you, but 73-9 was a fact and championship last season was a fact), then he joined Kyrie and Harden, now its with Book and CP3/Beal and fails again.

This guy is no leader, he's got no guts, he's got no mentality. And people are putting him in top 10 all time??????????????? With 2 mickey mouse rings and 15 failures on contenders???

[3toheadmelo]

So, like everyone suspected, the Max Christie trade is working out swimmingly for the Mavs.

Max Christie hive lfg!

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[Reign23]

court of gold on netflix is great. 6 episodes about the us/serbia/canada/france basketball teams at the olympics.