*Felton traded to the Knicks. Knicks not matching Lin?

[BVBeNYK]

Can't imagine fans not to be upset about this.
We went older and older. Hate our route to build a team. OKC show's that you can win big with a young team.
I'm from Germany and i'd watched every singel game last season. But with our group of old people i don't buy a league pass. Hopefully this team goes nowhere this season.
As of now i can see Grunwald making a last move in trading away Shump for a 40+ year old player. Because why to have young players if you can have old? Right Mr. Grunwald

[Clyde_Style]

It's kind of funny how Knicks fans complain about everyone else's contracts, but then think it's absolutely insane not to match.

Its kind of funny you find it kind of funny considering how well Lin actually played for us.

It wasn't even half a real season. There's plenty of reason to be hesitant.

I'm used to people always have reservations and never having any confidence in their own ability to judge talent. If you can't figure it out by now, when will you get it? When we're a day late and a dollar short? If you can't figure out what Lin's attributes already are, then I don't know where you were when he set records, won numerous games, reinvigorated the franchise, scored, passed, led and you want to hedge your bets now. You don't know what he's worth? Who knows what anyone is worth until they play out their contract? You think Stat is worth what we would pay Lin, because I don't. Instead we'll pay him triple what Jeremy gets and you want to worry about absolute certainties. They don't exist. But if you can't judge Lin's talent, then don't pretend you have a handle on whether he should be a Knick or not, because you had plenty of time to evaluate him. This small sample size argument is cowardly. Not saying you're a cowardly person, but it is a weak and gutless argument lacking any conviction. If you really don't know, I'm sorry you couldn't figure it out by now that he is worth having.

[AmareKillsYou]

Can't imagine fans not to be upset about this.
We went older and older. Hate our route to build a team. OKC show's that you can win big with a young team.
I'm from Germany and i'd watched every singel game last season. But with our group of old people i don't buy a league pass. Hopefully this team goes nowhere this season.
As of now i can see Grunwald making a last move in trading away Shump for a 40+ year old player. Because why to have young players if you can have old? Right Mr. Grunwald

I want to punch myself in the face for reading this.

[Clyde_Style]

pretty simply how I see it..

Felton wanted to be on the Knicks, they were his first choice according to his agent.

The Knicks have Gadzurichs unguaranteed contract that has no value to them but only has value in a sign and trade.

The Knicks went around to every team to try n sign and trade gadzurich for the best players on the market. Portland was willing to do a deal.

Knicks are in asset collecting mode. Next season there will be no Sign and Trades allowed. Must get all the assets now.

Here was an opportunity to acquire another quality player, who fits the NYK mold and wants to be here, available at the cost of just paying his salary.

If anything this is another indication that the Knicks do not give a sh*t above payroll luxury tax, cause Dolan just booked a backup for another 10 mil. He could've payed Lin's first 2 years with that money if it was so precious to him.

Asset collection is here. We need all the depth we could get.

Im expecting another bruiser up front for vets min (see KMART)

Lin/Felton/ Prigioni
Kidd/JR smith/Shump*
Melo/White
Amare/ Novak/ Crazy Eyes
Chander/Camby

Correct. It is a standard trading up. Take two players who are not worth too much to you and package them in to a player who could help a little more, but more importantly is an upgrade as a singular asset. Do this regularly and you always have trade pieces that are more viable later if you need to make trades and roster changes. This is just sensible asset management and Felton gives us depth we must have at PG. He is not a championship PG. He is a trade, an asset and depth.

[knicksNOTslick]

Its kind of funny you find it kind of funny considering how well Lin actually played for us.

It wasn't even half a real season. There's plenty of reason to be hesitant.

I'm used to people always have reservations and never having any confidence in their own ability to judge talent. If you can't figure it out by now, when will you get it? When we're a day late and a dollar short? If you can't figure out what Lin's attributes already are, then I don't know where you were when he set records, won numerous games, reinvigorated the franchise, scored, passed, led and you want to hedge your bets now. You don't know what he's worth? Who knows what anyone is worth until they play out their contract? You think Stat is worth what we would pay Lin, because I don't. Instead we'll pay him triple what Jeremy gets and you want to worry about absolute certainties. They don't exist. But if you can't judge Lin's talent, then don't pretend you have a handle on whether he should be a Knick or not, because you had plenty of time to evaluate him. This small sample size argument is cowardly. Not saying you're a cowardly person, but it is a weak and gutless argument lacking any conviction. If you really don't know, I'm sorry you couldn't figure it out by now that he is worth having.

I wholeheartedly agree.


People act like Jeremy Lin was putting up all these stats in college ball. Why is it that so many people can project X player to be a star after what they seen in him in college, but then when a player like Lin does it on the big stage albeit in a shortened season that ended in injury, it's almost like people don't want to believe it.

So we can project so and so rookie to be a star but not Jeremy Lin, who has proven it in the NBA?

It just reeks of agenda. Some people just don't want to admit it.

[[GR]]

Come on now. There's a reason why guys don't get big deals after one full season, let alone 25 starts. If that were the case, no one would have had a problem if Tyreke made over 12 million for putting up 20/5/5 in his rookie season. In fact, he's a career 18/4.9/5 guy, and no one would want to give him that money.

It's just funny how Knicks fans complain about someone like Eric Gordon, even though his track record is longer than Lin's, and he would make less than Lin in year 3. The issue isn't whether Lin can be good. It's if 13/5 (being conservative) is worth 15 million.

[BVBeNYK]

Can't imagine fans not to be upset about this.
We went older and older. Hate our route to build a team. OKC show's that you can win big with a young team.
I'm from Germany and i'd watched every singel game last season. But with our group of old people i don't buy a league pass. Hopefully this team goes nowhere this season.
As of now i can see Grunwald making a last move in trading away Shump for a 40+ year old player. Because why to have young players if you can have old? Right Mr. Grunwald

I want to punch myself in the face for reading this.

Why? What is wrong about my post? Aren't we old? Had OKC not reached the finals with a young team?

I can't see what's wrong.

[carayip]

People, let's face it. They're not giving a 3 or 4 years contract to Felton to be a 3rd string PG and not to be included in the future plan.

[knicksNOTslick]

Come on now. There's a reason why guys don't get big deals after one full season, let alone 25 starts. If that were the case, no one would have had a problem if Tyreke made over 12 million for putting up 20/5/5 in his rookie season. In fact, he's a career 18/4.9/5 guy, and no one would want to give him that money.

It's just funny how Knicks fans complain about someone like Eric Gordon, even though his track record is longer than Lin's, and he would make less than Lin in year 3. The issue isn't whether Lin can be good. It's if 13/5 (being conservative) is worth 15 million.

The difference is a 13/5 Lin would be underpaid for his first 2 seasons, especially if he's leading us to wins as our starting PG. The 15 mill for one year would be enough compensation, especially for being paid minimum last year. And without him, we don't make the playoffs last year, which was instrumental in the Knicks moving forward and having something to feel good about. We owe it to Lin actually.

[Clyde_Style]

Come on now. There's a reason why guys don't get big deals after one full season, let alone 25 starts. If that were the case, no one would have had a problem if Tyreke made over 12 million for putting up 20/5/5 in his rookie season. In fact, he's a career 18/4.9/5 guy, and no one would want to give him that money.

It's just funny how Knicks fans complain about someone like Eric Gordon, even though his track record is longer than Lin's, and he would make less than Lin in year 3. The issue isn't whether Lin can be good. It's if 13/5 (being conservative) is worth 15 million.

Neither player impacted the games like Lin did. Neither possesses the court intelligence Lin has and your usage of stats to pretend they are comparable players shows me how conventional your thought process is. You just don't get it then. Lin was a game changer, not just some scorer and he has clearly shown he is a work in progress committed to evolving his game. So hug your stats and talk about careers worthy of comparable contracts while numbing yourself out to the person who Lin showed themselves to be and the considerable upside we'd be getting. If you can't determine his qualities and need to talk like a census bureau statistician, you're just way too cautious to really pick talent. You only want the sure thing and that never produces winners, because you're always going to be paying up the nose and getting no upside. You just see the world differently, that's all.

[knicksfan974]

Didn't see Felton play much last year, how did he look?

[knicksNOTslick]

People, let's face it. They're not giving a 3 or 4 years contract to Felton to be a 3rd string PG and not to be included in the future plan.

Yea, that's because Jason Kidd is old and who knows how much he has left.

We're going all in for 3 years. We need to stockpile on talent. If Felton's our 3rd string PG for the next 3 or 4 years, that's a good thing.

And if we're going all in, it doesn't make sense to just let go of a young marketable asset who helped us get in to the playoffs last year. It just doesn't.

So put all the gloom and doom BS to rest.

[Thugger HBC]

Can't imagine fans not to be upset about this.
We went older and older. Hate our route to build a team. OKC show's that you can win big with a young team.
I'm from Germany and i'd watched every singel game last season. But with our group of old people i don't buy a league pass. Hopefully this team goes nowhere this season.
As of now i can see Grunwald making a last move in trading away Shump for a 40+ year old player. Because why to have young players if you can have old? Right Mr. Grunwald

I want to punch myself in the face for reading this.

Why? What is wrong about my post? Aren't we old? Had OKC not reached the finals with a young team?

I can't see what's wrong.

Okc isn't the standard, they are the exception.

Name the last all young champion.

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[madbucky]

The issue isn't whether Lin can be good. It's if 13/5 (being conservative) is worth 15 million.

Is Jeremy Lin worth $8M/year? Most people would probably say yes.

Yet people are so fixated on the $15M in the third year. The only reason that the contract is structured 5/5/15 is because of salary cap games.

[[GR]]

Neither player impacted the games like Lin did. Neither possesses the court intelligence Lin has and your usage of stats to pretend they are comparable players shows me how conventional your thought process is. You just don't get it then. Lin was a game changer, not just some scorer and he has clearly shown he is a work in progress committed to evolving his game. So hug your stats and talk about careers worthy of comparable contracts while numbing yourself out to the person who Lin showed themselves to be and the considerable upside we'd be getting. If you can't determine his qualities and need to talk like a census bureau statistician, you're just way too cautious to really pick talent. You only want the sure thing and that never produces winners, because you're always going to be paying up the nose and getting no upside. You just see the world differently, that's all.

Yawn. You people are so caught up in the "feel good" aspect, that your not looking at the bigger picture. We've been down this road before, but switch Felton, Gallo, Chandler for Lin. (And yes, I get it's different since we don't get anything if Lin walks.)


And for the record, I said the Knicks should match.

[KnicksScholar24]

The Knicks letting Lin go would be like the Celtics letting Rondo go the year after Garnett, Allen, & Pierce got together.

[knicksfan974]

About Lin, one would think the revenue Lin brings for the team would easily outnumber his contract, and therefore from business perspective it would be insane not to match Lin.

[Clyde_Style]

Totally backwards. OKC lost to Miami because they lacked those extra veterans. Fisher hardly counts as a veteran squad.

[Thugger HBC]

The Knicks letting Lin go would be like the Celtics letting Rondo go the year after Garnett, Allen, & Pierce got together.

Even though I doubt lin is gone, Rondo won a ring the year Boston formed.

Awful comparison.

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[carayip]

Didn't see Felton play much last year, how did he look?

Just spend 1-2 mins to check out the Portland board. They thought we won this trade only not to see Felton again. And we're giving him a 3 year contract and making him the starting PG. There is a reason the guy got zero offer other than ours.