2018/2019 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

[thebuzzardman]

Right, for Kyrie, but now we have D.Fox or D.Mitchell so why sign Kyrie to a max? I guess D.Mitchell can play either guard spot so him and Kyrie would actually be a pretty damn nice back court.

Those other teams didn't want KP. Or they did without the dumpster fire that were the combined contracts of THJr and CLee. Thanks Phil-Mills.

Yeah i get that but that wasn't the point i was trying to make. What my point was was if the Knicks supposedly had inside info that Kyrie was gonna sign with us in the offseason then why would they try to trade KP for a PG when they could of tried for a SF or a SG or any other position? A lot of people were saying that the Knicks never would of traded KP if they didn't already have a commitment from KD and or Kyrie or from any of the max guys and i never believed that and think they made the trade without any commitments from any players. I think their thinking is if they strike out in free agency then keep building with young players through the draft and make sure any money you spend will be off the books for the following offseason and try for two max players again. The problem is we might not ever see a free agency with this many star/super star players in it like we'll have this offseason.

True. Maybe they are more sure about Durant (if that's true) and DSJr was a hedge against Kyrie, who is less of a known thing.

[newyorker4ever]

Those other teams didn't want KP. Or they did without the dumpster fire that were the combined contracts of THJr and CLee. Thanks Phil-Mills.

Yeah i get that but that wasn't the point i was trying to make. What my point was was if the Knicks supposedly had inside info that Kyrie was gonna sign with us in the offseason then why would they try to trade KP for a PG when they could of tried for a SF or a SG or any other position? A lot of people were saying that the Knicks never would of traded KP if they didn't already have a commitment from KD and or Kyrie or from any of the max guys and i never believed that and think they made the trade without any commitments from any players. I think their thinking is if they strike out in free agency then keep building with young players through the draft and make sure any money you spend will be off the books for the following offseason and try for two max players again. The problem is we might not ever see a free agency with this many star/super star players in it like we'll have this offseason.

True. Maybe they are more sure about Durant (if that's true) and DSJr was a hedge against Kyrie, who is less of a known thing.

Yeah they were obviously targeting teams for a PG in any KP deal so if there was talk going on between players then it sure doesn't sound like KD was talking to Kyrie. It just makes me believe even more then i already did that the Knicks don't have any behind the scenes commitment from any max players not even KD.

[thebuzzardman]

Yeah i get that but that wasn't the point i was trying to make. What my point was was if the Knicks supposedly had inside info that Kyrie was gonna sign with us in the offseason then why would they try to trade KP for a PG when they could of tried for a SF or a SG or any other position? A lot of people were saying that the Knicks never would of traded KP if they didn't already have a commitment from KD and or Kyrie or from any of the max guys and i never believed that and think they made the trade without any commitments from any players. I think their thinking is if they strike out in free agency then keep building with young players through the draft and make sure any money you spend will be off the books for the following offseason and try for two max players again. The problem is we might not ever see a free agency with this many star/super star players in it like we'll have this offseason.

True. Maybe they are more sure about Durant (if that's true) and DSJr was a hedge against Kyrie, who is less of a known thing.

Yeah they were obviously targeting teams for a PG in any KP deal so if there was talk going on between players then it sure doesn't sound like KD was talking to Kyrie. It just makes me believe even more then i already did that the Knicks don't have any behind the scenes commitment from any max players not even KD.

Hmm. Maybe. I think the Durant smoke is real. Maybe it's "ensure you have a good base/assets and room for another max cat"

[newyorker4ever]

True. Maybe they are more sure about Durant (if that's true) and DSJr was a hedge against Kyrie, who is less of a known thing.

Yeah they were obviously targeting teams for a PG in any KP deal so if there was talk going on between players then it sure doesn't sound like KD was talking to Kyrie. It just makes me believe even more then i already did that the Knicks don't have any behind the scenes commitment from any max players not even KD.

Hmm. Maybe. I think the Durant smoke is real. Maybe it's "ensure you have a good base/assets and room for another max cat"

I sure as heck hope i'm wrong and we hit a grand slam this offseason. I'm not one of the ones that think it's a loss for the Knicks if we don't hit big this offseason cause as long as Perry's smart about it and doesn't spend the money doing something stupid then i'm fine with adding whatever pieces we get in this draft and keep adding youth and try again around next years trade deadline or the following offseason to hit that grand slam but as i said in another post next years offseason isn't loaded with star talent like this years is so it will be much harder and will definitely have to use trades to get to where we want to be.

[TBri1974]

Do you guys think New Jersey - errr, I mean Brooklyn - will max Russel? I see Middleton as being a fit there if he doesn't stay in Milwaukee.

[magnumt]

Dallas LMSW too, ESPECIALLY how he didn’t have them on his “list,” so what excuse do you have there. Dallas made an even BIGGER trade & gamble!

—Mags

Yea I think that's a bit of a reach. Dallas always is chasing the big FAs, even with little chance. Guys like Sacramento and Utah gave up a long time ago. I don't see anything wrong with valuing Fox or Mitchell above KP right now too.

I'm still questioning why if the Knicks supposedly knew Kyrie was coming then why try to get two of the better young PG's out there for KP?

Trade bait.
Offball play with Kyrie.

Smart GMs accumulate assets then figure it out later.

—Mags

[newyorker4ever]

Yea I think that's a bit of a reach. Dallas always is chasing the big FAs, even with little chance. Guys like Sacramento and Utah gave up a long time ago. I don't see anything wrong with valuing Fox or Mitchell above KP right now too.

I'm still questioning why if the Knicks supposedly knew Kyrie was coming then why try to get two of the better young PG's out there for KP?

Trade bait.
Offball play with Kyrie.

Smart GMs accumulate assets then figure it out later.

—Mags

Yeah i think it's more that they don't have any kind of commitment from Kyrie and just wanted a PG and S.Perry hasn't shown us if he's a smart GM or not yet but hoping he shows that this offseason cause this offseason will be his most important whether he gets the max guys to come here and how he fills out the roster around them or if he doesn't get the max guys to come and still see how he goes about filling out this roster around the young kids.

[cgf]

PGs also don't need someone to get them the ball, so they can pump up their own value more easily. If we did have commitments from KD & Kyrie, our youth would predominantly end up as tradebait...in which case targetting a PG that can pump up his own value on this crap team better than a big, would make sense.

[NYG]

1. Who are your free agents and what percentage would you put on them re-signing?

2. What are your team needs and the overall short term goals of the team?

3. Is there any reason your coach may not be in place next year?

4. Who are you willing to trade?

[Nyk4lyfe]

1. Who are your free agents and what percentage would you put on them re-signing?

2. What are your team needs and the overall short term goals of the team?

3. Is there any reason your coach may not be in place next year?

4. Who are you willing to trade?

I think you meant to put this in Trades & Transactions board, no?

[NYG]

1. Who are your free agents and what percentage would you put on them re-signing?

2. What are your team needs and the overall short term goals of the team?

3. Is there any reason your coach may not be in place next year?

4. Who are you willing to trade?

I think you meant to put this in Trades & Transactions board, no?

No I’m trying to get every fan bases input.

[Jalen Bluntson]

[Nyk4lyfe]

1. Who are your free agents and what percentage would you put on them re-signing?

2. What are your team needs and the overall short term goals of the team?

3. Is there any reason your coach may not be in place next year?

4. Who are you willing to trade?

I think you meant to put this in Trades & Transactions board, no?

No I’m trying to get every fan bases input.

Oh okay in that case

1. Almost everyone we have is a free agent. The only ones I see having a chance of getting resigned are Vonleh and DAJ and only if its a discounted price.

2. Every position is our need. We don't have one sure fire starter as of right now. Hopefully our youth one day develop into solid starters (I have high hopes for Mitchell of all prospects).

3. I think its safe to say Fizdales job is secure for next year.

4. It depends. If we strike out on free agents, I imagine we don't make any major trades and just develop our current youth + 2019 pick and then use our 70mil + cap space to pick up a bunch of 1sts. If we get our big fish free agents, I think anybody is up for trade to get a 3rd star (i.e AD or Beal type)

[Jeff Van Gully]

man...

[knickstape4ever]

1. Who are your free agents and what percentage would you put on them re-signing?

2. What are your team needs and the overall short term goals of the team?

3. Is there any reason your coach may not be in place next year?

4. Who are you willing to trade?

1. Our FA's are not important. I wouldn't be disappointed if none returned

I'd rank the FA's like this (only 4 I would give max deals to):
KD
Kawhi
Klay
Kyrie

2. Team needs: 2 superstars. Short-term goal of the team: sign and/or trade for 2 superstars

3. Fiz needs to be the coach until we can secure the 2 superstars (players like him and gravitate to him; firing him could dissuade FA's from coming here). However, once those 2 superstars are here, I'd have no problem firing him if the production isn't there (cuz there have been some complaints about bad rotations, poor play-calling out of timeouts)

4. Ideally, I'd like to keep DSJ and the 2019 1st, but if AD can be had (and we got 2 other max superstars), then you've gotta lay it all on the table for a Big 3.

My perfect 2019 team would be something like:
DSJ
Danny Green (sign using MLE)
Kawhi
KD
AD

or

DSJ
Beal
Kawhi
KD
Mitch

[newyorker4ever]

1. Who are your free agents and what percentage would you put on them re-signing?

2. What are your team needs and the overall short term goals of the team?

3. Is there any reason your coach may not be in place next year?

4. Who are you willing to trade?

1. Our FA's are not important. I wouldn't be disappointed if none returned

I'd rank the FA's like this (only 4 I would give max deals to):
KD
Kawhi
Klay
Kyrie

2. Team needs: 2 superstars. Short-term goal of the team: sign and/or trade for 2 superstars

3. Fiz needs to be the coach until we can secure the 2 superstars (players like him and gravitate to him; firing him could dissuade FA's from coming here). However, once those 2 superstars are here, I'd have no problem firing him if the production isn't there (cuz there have been some complaints about bad rotations, poor play-calling out of timeouts)

4. Ideally, I'd like to keep DSJ and the 2019 1st, but if AD can be had (and we got 2 other max superstars), then you've gotta lay it all on the table for a Big 3.

My perfect 2019 team would be something like:
DSJ
Danny Green (sign using MLE)
Kawhi
KD
AD

or

DSJ
Beal
Kawhi
KD
Mitch

I know i'm alone on this but i still think people are sleeping on J.Butler and how great he is. He's a super star and does it great on both sides of the ball. Now i get it if people just wanna take him down a notch because he doesn't have a good reputation of getting along with all of his teammates and coaches but they won a championship in Chicago when him and D.Rose supposedly didn't really like each other but basketball skills wise he's a star player. I'd take him with KD or Kawhi.

[knickstape4ever]

1. Who are your free agents and what percentage would you put on them re-signing?

2. What are your team needs and the overall short term goals of the team?

3. Is there any reason your coach may not be in place next year?

4. Who are you willing to trade?

1. Our FA's are not important. I wouldn't be disappointed if none returned

I'd rank the FA's like this (only 4 I would give max deals to):
KD
Kawhi
Klay
Kyrie

2. Team needs: 2 superstars. Short-term goal of the team: sign and/or trade for 2 superstars

3. Fiz needs to be the coach until we can secure the 2 superstars (players like him and gravitate to him; firing him could dissuade FA's from coming here). However, once those 2 superstars are here, I'd have no problem firing him if the production isn't there (cuz there have been some complaints about bad rotations, poor play-calling out of timeouts)

4. Ideally, I'd like to keep DSJ and the 2019 1st, but if AD can be had (and we got 2 other max superstars), then you've gotta lay it all on the table for a Big 3.

My perfect 2019 team would be something like:
DSJ
Danny Green (sign using MLE)
Kawhi
KD
AD

or

DSJ
Beal
Kawhi
KD
Mitch

I know i'm alone on this but i still think people are sleeping on J.Butler and how great he is. He's a super star and does it great on both sides of the ball. Now i get it if people just wanna take him down a notch because he doesn't have a good reputation of getting along with all of his teammates and coaches but they won a championship in Chicago when him and D.Rose supposedly didn't really like each other but basketball skills wise he's a star player. I'd take him with KD or Kawhi.

I do not recall the Chicago Bulls winning a championship in this century

I dont love Butler's age/injury history on a max deal. KD will be 31 next season and Butler will be 30; I'd prefer a younger 2nd star

[newyorker4ever]

1. Our FA's are not important. I wouldn't be disappointed if none returned

I'd rank the FA's like this (only 4 I would give max deals to):
KD
Kawhi
Klay
Kyrie

2. Team needs: 2 superstars. Short-term goal of the team: sign and/or trade for 2 superstars

3. Fiz needs to be the coach until we can secure the 2 superstars (players like him and gravitate to him; firing him could dissuade FA's from coming here). However, once those 2 superstars are here, I'd have no problem firing him if the production isn't there (cuz there have been some complaints about bad rotations, poor play-calling out of timeouts)

4. Ideally, I'd like to keep DSJ and the 2019 1st, but if AD can be had (and we got 2 other max superstars), then you've gotta lay it all on the table for a Big 3.

My perfect 2019 team would be something like:
DSJ
Danny Green (sign using MLE)
Kawhi
KD
AD

or

DSJ
Beal
Kawhi
KD
Mitch

I know i'm alone on this but i still think people are sleeping on J.Butler and how great he is. He's a super star and does it great on both sides of the ball. Now i get it if people just wanna take him down a notch because he doesn't have a good reputation of getting along with all of his teammates and coaches but they won a championship in Chicago when him and D.Rose supposedly didn't really like each other but basketball skills wise he's a star player. I'd take him with KD or Kawhi.

I do not recall the Chicago Bulls winning a championship in this century

I dont love Butler's age/injury history on a max deal. KD will be 31 next season and Butler will be 30; I'd prefer a younger 2nd star

Dang it, not sure why i thought they won a championship. Alright but i still agree with what i think about Jimmy and how great he is on both sides of the court.

[Besart19]

Should we try to sign Jabari as a backup PF?!

[Joeygat]

First post here... just wondering what player or assets are you guys not willing to part with under any circumstances ie Anthony Davis trade. I would not include Mitch in any trade discussions.