O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::.

[j4remi]

There is a bunch of WTF at the end that needs to be understood. I spoke about the game in regards to what it is saying, not the game as a game. I haven't played it, just saw the ending and a LOT of discussion, then it clicked with me, and I had to say WOW to that. It did give a different spin on the nature of evil also, along with the creation process.

I don't want to play this up too much. I am type of person that also finds wisdom in a box of corn flakes.

- Rich

That works dude, I have a BA in English with a Psych minor...I'm all about figuring out the allegories and hidden meanings of EVERYTHING.

[richardhutnik]

The world I believe consist of 70% Christianity. You break down the word Christian it means to be Christlike or in essence follow as closely as possible the teachings of the Christ.

I will bring in Pareto and say that 80% of what is really Christian (and honored as such) is likely done by only 20%. I know the Gospel texts speak of a final judgment where many will end up being judged unexpectedly because they didn't get it, eventhough they thought Jesus was Lord. Such individuals, if Jesus was in town, would do anything to go see him, and hang out with him, because they think he is awesome. They are real fans. But, along the way, would they stop to help someone in need, to see if they are ok? Well, no. To see Jesus is far more important that that (bonus points if you can guess what parable I allude to here).

As for what may replace the Christian faith, maybe the Orange Bible from Dune becomes the head of each person, and whatever they want. And then you put a corporate police state on top that ends up being run completely by commerce and panders to the whims of the public. The corporations get to know what these desires are and feeds on it, and uses seduction to get you to go nuts to spend. And if you disagree, they either sue you, or throw you into the arena for the amusement of others. Make the protests the circus, and you placate the public to do nothing. And don't worry about actually helping anyone. You either believe the system will handle it, or the individual suffering deserves it, because it is their own fault.

And society doesn't denote itself as Christian. It says it is either a socialistic democracy or a free market democracy. There is also a Constitutional Democracy. And you have Christopher Hitchens of the world who go out and spread the gospel of secularism, with big helping of neoconservatism to rally the troops to make sure the mideast becomes secular (and in their mind, end the terrorist threat once and for all).

On this note, I probably should read Augustine's "The City of God" sometime:
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1201.htm

- Rich

[richardhutnik]

There is a bunch of WTF at the end that needs to be understood. I spoke about the game in regards to what it is saying, not the game as a game. I haven't played it, just saw the ending and a LOT of discussion, then it clicked with me, and I had to say WOW to that. It did give a different spin on the nature of evil also, along with the creation process.

I don't want to play this up too much. I am type of person that also finds wisdom in a box of corn flakes.

- Rich

That works dude, I have a BA in English with a Psych minor...I'm all about figuring out the allegories and hidden meanings of EVERYTHING.

In regards to Alan Wake, there is definitely a decent chance you will end up going nuts over it and think about it a lot.

Also, I believe the path to wisdom is done through conditioning oneself, or allowing oneself to be conditioned to receive it (you work on yourself, not work to try to understand). By shaping your mind to be a person of character, you will see and observe. It either comes to you or doesn't. It is good to read a lot of it outside yourself, and then let it settle in. It is also important to know, that which you are attuned to will bring forth evidence for being valid to you. Anyhow, a book to read on the conditioning of the mind and its impact on how one sees reality, and God, and faith and so on is the book, "How God Changes Your Brain":
http://www.amazon.com/How-Changes-Your- ... 0345503414

I will let people debate this. It is more about how one thinks of God or other metaphysical constructs on how it changes one's perception of reality and personality. Not sure what is described there is really "God" as an entity outside someone.

- Rich

[Godzilla039]

First off, forgive me if this was posted a million times already, but I am just curious to your thoughts on this video:


I dare anyone to watch Acient aliens its a 6 part mini series on the History channel and say different.Also the movie the fourth kind will flip your world upside down.

I watched that movie lastnight. Shyt was nuts! I liked the scene at the end showing the real footage of the lady doctor being hypnotized. If you pause it at the scene where the "alien" says "I am God", you can see her pissing on herself. I laughed.

I doubt that it's real tho.

[method]

Yeah, I know these, I read The secret chamber from Robert Bauval, it's about this subject (in fact the things I wrote about Cayce were from this book). But this doesn't support Cayce at all, since we don't know what's under the Sphynx. It can be a the Secret Chamber of Atlantis, some tunnels, or something natural. For all we know, there are anomalies, but that's everything, we don't know anything else. Unfortunetally the Egyptian government (and mainly Zahi Hawass) doesn't let anybody explore the anomalies. I suggest you read the book, it's facinating, and is giving you a much better understanding of the subject.

Its a possible they did discover it and the power that be are surpressing it,its possible and would not surprise me.And yeah I've heard Bauval talk on a couple of subjects on the History channel and the stuff he talks about is fascinating,the book is called "the secret chamber"?

EDIT:Have you read anything from Erich Von Danikien?

[JuwannaJeffries]

First off, forgive me if this was posted a million times already, but I am just curious to your thoughts on this video:


I dare anyone to watch Acient aliens its a 6 part mini series on the History channel and say different.Also the movie the fourth kind will flip your world upside down.

I watched that movie lastnight. Shyt was nuts! I liked the scene at the end showing the real footage of the lady doctor being hypnotized. If you pause it at the scene where the "alien" says "I am God", you can see her pissing on herself. I laughed.

I doubt that it's real tho.

As I said in a previous reply to this. the movie is all fake. They used fake news articles and websites to promote it as real. still a very good movie and interesting, especially with all the sumerian stuff.

[j4remi]

There is a bunch of WTF at the end that needs to be understood. I spoke about the game in regards to what it is saying, not the game as a game. I haven't played it, just saw the ending and a LOT of discussion, then it clicked with me, and I had to say WOW to that. It did give a different spin on the nature of evil also, along with the creation process.

I don't want to play this up too much. I am type of person that also finds wisdom in a box of corn flakes.

- Rich

That works dude, I have a BA in English with a Psych minor...I'm all about figuring out the allegories and hidden meanings of EVERYTHING.

In regards to Alan Wake, there is definitely a decent chance you will end up going nuts over it and think about it a lot.

Also, I believe the path to wisdom is done through conditioning oneself, or allowing oneself to be conditioned to receive it (you work on yourself, not work to try to understand). By shaping your mind to be a person of character, you will see and observe. It either comes to you or doesn't. It is good to read a lot of it outside yourself, and then let it settle in. It is also important to know, that which you are attuned to will bring forth evidence for being valid to you. Anyhow, a book to read on the conditioning of the mind and its impact on how one sees reality, and God, and faith and so on is the book, "How God Changes Your Brain":
http://www.amazon.com/How-Changes-Your- ... 0345503414

I will let people debate this. It is more about how one thinks of God or other metaphysical constructs on how it changes one's perception of reality and personality. Not sure what is described there is really "God" as an entity outside someone.

- Rich

You ever read any Steinbeck?

[gavran]

Yeah, I know these, I read The secret chamber from Robert Bauval, it's about this subject (in fact the things I wrote about Cayce were from this book). But this doesn't support Cayce at all, since we don't know what's under the Sphynx. It can be a the Secret Chamber of Atlantis, some tunnels, or something natural. For all we know, there are anomalies, but that's everything, we don't know anything else. Unfortunetally the Egyptian government (and mainly Zahi Hawass) doesn't let anybody explore the anomalies. I suggest you read the book, it's facinating, and is giving you a much better understanding of the subject.

Its a possible they did discover it and the power that be are surpressing it,its possible and would not surprise me.And yeah I've heard Bauval talk on a couple of subjects on the History channel and the stuff he talks about is fascinating,the book is called "the secret chamber"?

EDIT:Have you read anything from Erich Von Danikien?

Yepp, Secret Chamber is about Cayce/Sphynx/Egyptology....etc. His latest book, The Egypt code is about the same subject, but a bit updated (although much shorter), and has a new book coming out called The Black Genesis. You'll enjoy all of their (him and Graham Hancock, they ofter wrote together) books if you're really interested in these kind of stuff. Youtube has a long interview with Hancock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wnGL4_SwDI that's part 1, I think the whole is longer than an hour), a lot of interesting things can be learned. Fingerprints of Gods is a must read too.
As for Däniken, he's too much for me. I don't belive in UFO's visiting Earth, enslaving us, making us belive they're gods, etc. A little bit of common sense can destroy all of his evidence. It's interesting, but lets leave all that to Stargate.

[method]

Yepp, Secret Chamber is about Cayce/Sphynx/Egyptology....etc. His latest book, The Egypt code is about the same subject, but a bit updated (although much shorter), and has a new book coming out called The Black Genesis. You'll enjoy all of their (him and Graham Hancock, they ofter wrote together) books if you're really interested in these kind of stuff. Youtube has a long interview with Hancock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wnGL4_SwDI that's part 1, I think the whole is longer than an hour), a lot of interesting things can be learned. Fingerprints of Gods is a must read too.
As for Däniken, he's too much for me. I don't belive in UFO's visiting Earth, enslaving us, making us belive they're gods, etc. A little bit of common sense can destroy all of his evidence. It's interesting, but lets leave all that to Stargate.

Bauval without a doubt seems more legit then Von Danikien.But yeah Im on the lookout for them books,maybe pickup one this weekend.And thanks for the vid going to check that out now let you know what I think.

[method]

Gavran about the vid,thats what Im talking about when I say the stuff there teaching our kids isnt true and the evidence is overwhelming.

I have heard him speak as well on the History channel,didnt know him and Bauval wrote them books together,without a doubt going to get it.What I would do to seat at one of his lectures.

[richardhutnik]

First off, forgive me if this was posted a million times already, but I am just curious to your thoughts on this video:


I dare anyone to watch Acient aliens its a 6 part mini series on the History channel and say different.Also the movie the fourth kind will flip your world upside down.

I watched that movie lastnight. Shyt was nuts! I liked the scene at the end showing the real footage of the lady doctor being hypnotized. If you pause it at the scene where the "alien" says "I am God", you can see her pissing on herself. I laughed.

I doubt that it's real tho.

I believe the story is based upon speculation off the abnormally high disappearance rate of people in that part of Alaska. They decide to make it into some sort of conspiracy story.

- Rich

[gavran]

Gavran about the vid,thats what Im talking about when I say the stuff there teaching our kids isnt true and the evidence is overwhelming.

I have heard him speak as well on the History channel,didnt know him and Bauval wrote them books together,without a doubt going to get it.What I would do to seat at one of his lectures.

They wrote 3 books together, The Mars Mystery, The Keeper of Genesis (although it's called The Message of the Sphinx in the USA) and Talisman: Sacred Cities, Secret Faith.

[method]

Gavran about the vid,thats what Im talking about when I say the stuff there teaching our kids isnt true and the evidence is overwhelming.

I have heard him speak as well on the History channel,didnt know him and Bauval wrote them books together,without a doubt going to get it.What I would do to seat at one of his lectures.

They wrote 3 books together, The Mars Mystery, The Keeper of Genesis and Talisman: Sacred Cities, Secret Faith.

With the vid I'm on part 8 and the part on the drug DMT and how it brings you into another realm where everything is all knowing is so mind boggling that I want to do it.

They say we produce dmt naturaly in our own body.I think maybe Cayce's body over produced it allowing him to be able to go into this other realm that is all knowing and make his predictions,just a theory.

[method]

I watched that movie lastnight. Shyt was nuts! I liked the scene at the end showing the real footage of the lady doctor being hypnotized. If you pause it at the scene where the "alien" says "I am God", you can see her pissing on herself. I laughed.

I doubt that it's real tho.

I believe the story is based upon speculation off the abnormally high disappearance rate of people in that part of Alaska. They decide to make it into some sort of conspiracy story.

- Rich

Yeah the movie is awesome.Yeah there is a high rate of FBI visits there it says it at the end of the movie,something like 2000 and the next highest is the next biggest town with about 30 FBI visits,somthing like that.I know all the stuff on Sumarie(sp?) is true,thats a fact.

[j4remi]

Gavran about the vid,thats what Im talking about when I say the stuff there teaching our kids isnt true and the evidence is overwhelming.

I have heard him speak as well on the History channel,didnt know him and Bauval wrote them books together,without a doubt going to get it.What I would do to seat at one of his lectures.

They wrote 3 books together, The Mars Mystery, The Keeper of Genesis and Talisman: Sacred Cities, Secret Faith.

With the vid I'm on part 8 and the part on the drug DMT and how it brings you into another realm where everything is all knowing is so mind boggling that I want to do it.

They say we produce dmt naturaly in our own body.I think maybe Cayce's body over produced it allowing him to be able to go into this other realm that is all knowing and make his predictions,just a theory.

That's what Steinbeck wrot about. DMT is produced during near death experiences and likely responsible for the "light at the end of the tunnel" experience many people have. I got offered 2 grams of it once for 150 dollars and turned it down...you can extract it yourself from tree bark.

[gavran]

Gavran about the vid,thats what Im talking about when I say the stuff there teaching our kids isnt true and the evidence is overwhelming.

I have heard him speak as well on the History channel,didnt know him and Bauval wrote them books together,without a doubt going to get it.What I would do to seat at one of his lectures.

They wrote 3 books together, The Mars Mystery, The Keeper of Genesis and Talisman: Sacred Cities, Secret Faith.

With the vid I'm on part 8 and the part on the drug DMT and how it brings you into another realm where everything is all knowing is so mind boggling that I want to do it.

They say we produce dmt naturaly in our own body.I think maybe Cayce's body over produced it allowing him to be able to go into this other realm that is all knowing and make his predictions,just a theory.

Yepp, that's from his latest book (though I just saw he released a novel based on his work), The Supernatural. When I started reading that book, it looked stupid and over-the-top, then when I finished it, I thought it's one of his best books. A bit of an intellectual and philosophical orgasm.

[Subway Token]

There is a bunch of WTF at the end that needs to be understood. I spoke about the game in regards to what it is saying, not the game as a game. I haven't played it, just saw the ending and a LOT of discussion, then it clicked with me, and I had to say WOW to that. It did give a different spin on the nature of evil also, along with the creation process.

I don't want to play this up too much. I am type of person that also finds wisdom in a box of corn flakes.

- Rich

That works dude, I have a BA in English with a Psych minor...I'm all about figuring out the allegories and hidden meanings of EVERYTHING.

In regards to Alan Wake, there is definitely a decent chance you will end up going nuts over it and think about it a lot.

Also, I believe the path to wisdom is done through conditioning oneself, or allowing oneself to be conditioned to receive it (you work on yourself, not work to try to understand). By shaping your mind to be a person of character, you will see and observe. It either comes to you or doesn't. It is good to read a lot of it outside yourself, and then let it settle in. It is also important to know, that which you are attuned to will bring forth evidence for being valid to you. Anyhow, a book to read on the conditioning of the mind and its impact on how one sees reality, and God, and faith and so on is the book, "How God Changes Your Brain":
http://www.amazon.com/How-Changes-Your- ... 0345503414

I will let people debate this. It is more about how one thinks of God or other metaphysical constructs on how it changes one's perception of reality and personality. Not sure what is described there is really "God" as an entity outside someone.

- Rich

I just watched the ending and I must say... I don't understand how this ties to anything evil or WOW at all. Maybe I'm just not getting it. Care to explain? You can email me if you'd like to not ruin it for anybody.

dnodelman@yahoo.com

[Little Italia]

I hardly post here but i managed to read every post on this thread. I myself have been reading up on the NWO, Illuminati, Ancient history and what not.

One thing i have to ask you guys is this....

Do you believe in the NWO 2012 Conspiracy?

[method]

That's what Steinbeck wrot about. DMT is produced during near death experiences and likely responsible for the "light at the end of the tunnel" experience many people have. I got offered 2 grams of it once for 150 dollars and turned it down...you can extract it yourself from tree bark.

Yep thats right.DMT is produced by our own body and is produced in near death experiences to bring us into the other realm where we will be judged.

You could buy 114 grams on line for 45 bucks.But I would buy 2grams for 150 bucks just to experience it.They say every one that takes it meets the same enity and she teaches us how to treat each others better and to take care of earth better.Everyone sees the same things no matter where you are from and how old you are.They also people that experience alien abuctions and it is believe that people that experience alien abductions are over producing DMT in the body.its some crazy things going on I will tell you that much.

[method]

Yepp, that's from his latest book (though I just saw he released a novel based on his work), The Supernatural. When I started reading that book, it looked stupid and over-the-top, then when I finished it, I thought it's one of his best books. A bit of an intellectual and philosophical orgasm.

Yeah thats the book Im picking up his new one the Supernatural.