Knicks emerge as front runners for Jamal Crawford?

[GONYK]

Douglas is a better defender and rebounder. That's it. What else does he have over Crawford?

I think Douglas may be a better shooter than Crawford this year. Crawford's percentages were down last year, and Douglas came close to matching him. And Douglas shot 46% in his rookie year, so I think Douglas can be more efficient than he was last year. Douglas hurt his percentage last year by taking too many ill-advised floaters.

But I agree with Thugger. If the role is 3rd scorer, sparkplug off the bench, I'd prefer Crawford. He's just more dynamic.

[Thugger HBC]

Tell me what "role" TD can fill?

He should be able to fill any role Crawford can fill.

Really?

Toney Douglas for "sixth man of the year" type role?

Can Toney Douglas break down a defense without barreling into a defender in the air for an offensive foul?

Can Toney be viewed as a spot point guard, or a pg at all?

[god shammgod]

Douglas is a better defender and rebounder. That's it. What else does he have over Crawford?

I think Douglas may be a better shooter than Crawford this year. Crawford's percentages were down last year, and Douglas came close to matching him. And Douglas shot 46% in his rookie year, so I think Douglas can be more efficient than he was last year. Douglas hurt his percentage last year by taking too many ill-advised floaters.

But I agree with Thugger. If the role is 3rd scorer, sparkplug off the bench, I'd prefer Crawford. He's just more dynamic.

who's our point now ? mike bibby ?

[rasheed69]

The veterans are enough for this team IMO. We should have a balance of veterans and young ones so I think its better not to get crawford. I dont think scoring really is still a problem on this team. Its better to win while developing young ones.

[GONYK]

[quote="GONYK"]
Douglas is a better defender and rebounder. That's it. What else does he have over Crawford?

I think Douglas may be a better shooter than Crawford this year. Crawford's percentages were down last year, and Douglas came close to matching him. And Douglas shot 46% in his rookie year, so I think Douglas can be more efficient than he was last year. Douglas hurt his percentage last year by taking too many ill-advised floaters.

But I agree with Thugger. If the role is 3rd scorer, sparkplug off the bench, I'd prefer Crawford. He's just more dynamic.

who's our point now ? mike bibby ?[/quote]
Lol, if it's Toney, we're still in trouble. I'm still holding out hope for Baron or Barea.

[Thugger HBC]

Douglas is a better defender and rebounder. That's it. What else does he have over Crawford?

Shooting, doesnt need ball in his hands, etc.

What is Toney gonna without the ball in his hands on offense?

[Falstaffxx]

Tell me what "role" TD can fill?

He should be able to fill any role Crawford can fill.

Really?

Toney Douglas for "sixth man of the year" type role?

Can Toney Douglas break down a defense without barreling into a defender in the air for an offensive foul?

Can Toney be viewed as a spot point guard, or a pg at all?

Crawford won 6th man of the year in 2009-2010. Last season he declined.

[Johnny Hoops]

Douglas is a better defender and rebounder. That's it. What else does he have over Crawford?

Shooting, doesnt need ball in his hands, etc.

Crawford has improved his catch and shoot game the past few years -- I saw him knock down a # of long 3s off the catch last year. The older you get the better base you develop and the catch and shoot improves.

Not knocking TD -- just saying Jamal has improved and I think Knicks like his size better as a SG than Toney and they don't appear to be thrilled with TD as point if they are searching all over for points guards.

[Blue Ninja]

Douglas is a better defender and rebounder. That's it. What else does he have over Crawford?

Shooting, doesnt need ball in his hands, etc.

What is Toney gonna without the ball in his hands on offense?

meaning he can move around and catch and shoot. crawful needs the ball in his hands and eats up clock.

[Thugger HBC]

I think Douglas may be a better shooter than Crawford this year. Crawford's percentages were down last year, and Douglas came close to matching him. And Douglas shot 46% in his rookie year, so I think Douglas can be more efficient than he was last year. Douglas hurt his percentage last year by taking too many ill-advised floaters.

But I agree with Thugger. If the role is 3rd scorer, sparkplug off the bench, I'd prefer Crawford. He's just more dynamic.

who's our point now ? mike bibby ?

Melo will have the ball and facilitate anyway.

Bibby sits in the corner.

[Blue Ninja]

Douglas is a better defender and rebounder. That's it. What else does he have over Crawford?

Shooting, doesnt need ball in his hands, etc.

Crawford has improved his catch and shoot game the past few years -- I saw him knock down a # of long 3s off the catch last year. The older you get the better base you develop and the catch and shoot improves.

Not knocking TD -- just saying Jamal has improved and I think Knicks like his size better as a SG than Toney and they don't appear to be thrilled with TD as point if they are searching all over for points guards.

I havent watched JC unless we play against him. I remember going to the guy he was guarding every time when we did though. Right to the basket we went every single time.

[Thugger HBC]

Shooting, doesnt need ball in his hands, etc.

What is Toney gonna without the ball in his hands on offense?

meaning he can move around and catch and shoot. crawful needs the ball in his hands and eats up clock.

Toney isn't that good at that.

Crawford as the sixth man would be just like Jason Terry and I think that would be a good fit.

[Blue Ninja]

Toney isn't that good at that.

Crawford as the sixth man would be just like Jason Terry and I think that would be a good fit.

Toney was great at catching and shooting. He can also light it up of the bench with better defense then Crawful. JC can only get to the basket better than TD. I think TD is a better passer and plays within himself a lot more. I like JC off the bench also, but not at the cost of TD.

[Thugger HBC]

He should be able to fill any role Crawford can fill.

Really?

Toney Douglas for "sixth man of the year" type role?

Can Toney Douglas break down a defense without barreling into a defender in the air for an offensive foul?

Can Toney be viewed as a spot point guard, or a pg at all?

Crawford won 6th man of the year in 2009-2010. Last season he declined.

Toney Douglas decline too, even though he took more shots.

Exactly how did Crawford decline?

[Falstaffxx]

Crawford won 6th man of the year in 2009-2010. Last season he declined.

Toney Douglas decline too, even though he took more shots.

Exactly how did Crawford decline?

Shooting percentage went from 44.9% to 42.1%
3-point % went from 38.2% to 34.1%
PPG went from 18 to 14.2
Rebounds went from 2.5 per game to 1.7 per game

[NYK StateOfMind]

Not only does TD23 play much better defense, as well as the much better rebounder when compared to a 32 year old Crawford, but he also has the youth factor on his side, which means ALOT more potential. He's also developed under MDA's offensive system for going on 3 years now. More team team chemistry with guys like Fields, Melo and Amare as well.

Crawford is already on the decline and a shell of what he once was. He's been on a steady 5 year decline in points per game. Went from 20.6, 19.7, 19.6, 18.0 and 14.2 last year. He'll be lucky to put up more than 10-11 points per game next season. Lets stop acting like this 32 year old Crawford is the same player from back in 04-05 when he first came to the Knicks; because he's not.

He averaged 14.2 points per game last year, with 30.2 minutes per game.

TD23 averaged 10.6 points per game last year, with only 24.3 minutes per game.

Oh yeah, did I mention the fact that TD23 is an up and coming talent, while Crawford is a shell of what he once was.

This would become an AWFUL trade if we were to lose a oung Toney Douglas who will become something special with the Hawks.

[SRTtoZ]

HOLD ON a second.

People are FINE with TD as PG but when Jamal Crawford gets mentioned its a travesty?

LOLLLLL.

[Falstaffxx]

HOLD ON a second.

People are FINE with TD as PG but when Jamal Crawford gets mentioned its a travesty?

LOLLLLL.

Apples and oranges.

[Remember the Past]

Toney isn't that good at that.

Crawford as the sixth man would be just like Jason Terry and I think that would be a good fit.

Terry has consistently shot above 45% through out his career, Crawford has never even hit 45%. Sure, he has a nice crossover but he chucks, has horrible vision, and take 20 shots to score 15 points. And he loves to walk around the 3 point line for 20 seconds before doing anything.

[GONYK]

HOLD ON a second.

People are FINE with TD as PG but when Jamal Crawford gets mentioned its a travesty?

LOLLLLL.

Apples and oranges.

Explain