OT: Morey doin work

[TheToothFairy]

Houston killin the draft

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[god shammgod]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine

My colleague @chadfordinsider reports Mavs trading No. 17 pick to Cleveland

[TheToothFairy]

Houston killin the draft

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jones

Damn good draft for Hou

[TKF]

Houston killin the draft

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jones

Damn good draft for Hou

true, I am fan of jeremy lamb..

[Thugger HBC]

Houston killin the draft

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jones

Damn good draft for Hou

May make Scola and Martin expendable now.

[TheToothFairy]

Houston killin the draft

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jones

Damn good draft for Hou

true, I am fan of jeremy lamb..

Was worth trading up to 12 for IMO

[ComboGuardCity]

IMO Morey wasted his time.

[TKF]

Was worth trading up to 12 for IMO

YEP

[TheToothFairy]

Houston killin the draft

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jones

Damn good draft for Hou

May make Scola and Martin expendable now.

Yep absolutely, they have a nice young team. Wonder if they wanted Sulinger

[suicidedeuce]

I won't use the word "baiting" since I think it's loaded. But I do find it hard to believe that TKF is not looking to re-litigate the past (continuously)

Understand I only drew the parallel because TKF raised the spectre of "baiting" into the dialogue.

But the RealGM mod system in an unchecked oligarchy so he gets to decide what I'm doing is baiting and his own conduct - what even his fellow moderators recognize as a consistent tactic - is not, so not much I can do about it.

I still think suicidedeuce is wrong about Wojnarowski though. That guy definitely hates the Knicks. But again, neither here nor there

Well, recall I didn't argue he didn't hate the Knicks. I argued ONE specific thing he wrote (more accurately, the order in which we wrote it) appeared to be completely innocuous and wasn't motivated by Knick hatred, and that the idea that he may hate the Knicks and that that particular column was legitimate were NOT mutally exclusive.

Further recall at the time you had a huge head on steam on the issue, thinking at the time it was going to be a big deal. It turned out to go no where. Wasn't even talked about after a day or two. Nets didn't pursue it, utterly of their own accord.

You seem convinced he singularly was trying to discount a huge story that it turns out no one else thought was much of a story either.

But that's neither here nor there..

[suicidedeuce]

here is my first post in the thread...

I find the morey criticism funny. He is making moves to stay competitive while collecting assets for future moves... there is nothing wrong with that, it is actually a smart way to do business. How is he hurting his team at all?

no mention of the knicks here..

Why are you pretending you have to mention the Knicks or the trade specifically for people to understand what you're indirectly looking to stir up?

Are you really playing the "if i don't use the exact words it doesn't count" defense?

Again, try to pick a fight with me all you want, but several others - including your fellow mod who YOU sought out in this thread - are calling you out on this.

Again, by reading this very thread its apparent his has become a forum joke, that all roads lead back to the trade, with you driving the bus.

Your problem is in order to play innocent, you ALSO have to play stupid, and you're neither.

Even if you honestly didn't intend to stir up the subject as your fellow mod and several others contend you do, after a year and a half, after this happens constantly and consistently, there should be a part of any rational, honest person that acknowledges something they are doing is leaving many members of this community with the impression that it is their intent.

In communication, perception is reality, and its your tact to deny it every time and assert yout utter innocence thatt in fact makes it transparent.

A reasonable person would conclude, "hey, I might not mean to, but obviously this is what keeps happening so maybe I should take a look at why I'm being misinterpreted so often."

That's just common sense.

You know exactly what you're doing and you know how to raise the issue without citing Melo, Dolan or the trade directly. You paint yourself stupid and everyone else as stupid by trying to sell otherwise.

so as far as I am concerned, we can start and end here as I will not be responding to your post...

You have that option every time. Why do you keep repeating it? What's the relevance?

[taj2133]

i went on the rockets board there fans are angry at there draft they like the lamb pick but other 2 picks they hate i think morey looks stupid he tried trade all these picks for drummond couldn't get him and couldn't get an all star player that they wanted to get. There stuck at being average not good enough to get into playes but not bad enough to get a established star.

[moocow007]

IMO Morey wasted his time.

Yeah I have to agree. Sure he got some good players but none of them are franchise players and he's basically back to the same boat he was in. At some point he's got to complete what he obviously has been trying to do for years (trade for a star/superstar/franchise type guy). So for the "oooh...ahhh...young guys = great job Morey"...you guys seem to fail to understand that what he's been trying to do with them is EXACTLY what the Knicks DID...trade em for a "star". Unlike the Knicks, he's failed to do so. He's not doing this because he believes that's the way to go so I wouldn't quite go sucking Morey's nuts as some sort of Presti "right way" disciple.

[TKF]

IMO Morey wasted his time.

Yeah I have to agree. Sure he got some good players but none of them are franchise players and he's basically back to the same boat he was in. At some point he's got to complete what he obviously has been trying to do for years (trade for a star/superstar/franchise type guy). So for the "oooh...ahhh...young guys = great job Morey"...you guys seem to fail to understand that what he's been trying to do with them is EXACTLY what the Knicks DID...trade em for a "star". Unlike the Knicks, he's failed to do so. He's not doing this because he believes that's the way to go so I wouldn't quite go sucking Morey's nuts as some sort of Presti "right way" disciple.

we really don't know exactly what they have...but I see the potential... lamb has all potential to be an Allstar talent, the other two guys are good players, how good they can be.. I am not quite sure. but really why does morey have to trade for a star or superstar? where are they out there to trade for? Dwight is the only superstar on the market and has been since lebron signed with the heat....

The rockets have been a 40+ win team the past few years(except the shortened season last year of course) with injuries and No star... there is little doubt that adding some good young talent can add a few wins... that pretty much puts them in the same category with a lot of teams that have guys who are labeled "stars", " franchise players", etc...

I am sure the rockets and many other teams are looking at this as a process, it may take a little time, so why rush? Morey may not even be there to finish the job, but can leave the franchise in great position for the next GM if morey moves on... that is the most important thing, to leave the franchise in good shape so that the job of putting a true contender together can be completed..

when we drafted shumpert at 17, I am sure there were a lot of people going, well the knicks didn't get this or that.. yet shumpert is now considered a vital part of our success.. I think Houston did very well, and only time will tell how well they did....

[j4remi]

IMO Morey wasted his time.

Yeah I have to agree. Sure he got some good players but none of them are franchise players and he's basically back to the same boat he was in. At some point he's got to complete what he obviously has been trying to do for years (trade for a star/superstar/franchise type guy). So for the "oooh...ahhh...young guys = great job Morey"...you guys seem to fail to understand that what he's been trying to do with them is EXACTLY what the Knicks DID...trade em for a "star". Unlike the Knicks, he's failed to do so. He's not doing this because he believes that's the way to go so I wouldn't quite go sucking Morey's nuts as some sort of Presti "right way" disciple.

we really don't know what they have... lamb has all potential to be an Allstar talent, the other two guys, we just don't know.. but really why does morey have to trade for a star or superstar? where are they out there to trade for? Dwight is the only superstar on the market and has been since lebron signed with the heat....

The rockets have been a 40+ win team the past few years(except the shortened season last year of course) with injuries and No star... there is little doubt that adding some good young talent can add a few wins... that pretty much puts them in the same category with a lot of teams that have guys who are labeled "stars", " franchise players", etc...

I am sure the rockets and many other teams are looking at this as a process, it may take a little time, so why rush? Morey may not even be there to finish the job, but can leave the franchise in great position for the next GM if morey moves on... that is the most important thing, to leave the franchise in good shape so that the job of putting a true contender together can be completed..

when we drafted shumpert at 17, I am sure there were a lot of people going, well the knicks didn't get this or that.. yet shumpert is now considered a vital part of our success.. I think Houston did very well, and only time will tell how well they did....

They did a solid in keeping pace but I really only feel Lamb has high enough upside to breakout. At this point it feels like the same song and dance every year with Morey and there's a reason Houston has had it's hand in every star's trade rumors over the past few years going so far as almost landing Pau Gasol last year...Reminds me of Portland, always on the verge of something but somehow never works out.

[GONYK]

Unless one of those players becomes a franchise star they can build around, Houston accomplished nothing last night.

I know for a fact that being a 40+ win team that never makes the playoffs is not what the Rockets or their fans want them to be. Either tank or don't. This straddling the line is the worst thing for a franchise to do.

And at the deadline, they will desperately try again to trade for a star. When that doesn't work, they will desperately try again to do it at the draft, and the wheels on that bus will continue to spin in the mud.

[mpharris36]

Unless one of those players becomes a franchise star they can build around, Houston accomplished nothing last night.

I know for a fact that being a 40+ win team that never makes the playoffs is not what the Rockets or their fans want them to be. Either tank or don't. This straddling the line is the worst thing for a franchise to do.

And at the deadline, they will desperately try again to trade for a star. When that doesn't work, they will desperately try again to do it at the draft, and the wheels on that bus will continue to spin in the mud.

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[cgmw]

To the people bashing Morey, what would you have him do exactly?

After 16 pages of this garbage, I still don't understand how he's screwing up anything except the recruiting aspect.

Morey's flaw isn't roster manipulation, it's that he can't get Deron and Dwight to commit. Certainly you'd think he has the assets Orlando is looking for in a trade. And now he has like 7 players drafted in the early-to-mid 2011 and 2012 first rounds. If he gets fired it's not because his roster is in disarray, it's because he apparently can't recruit to save his life.

[TKF]

They did a solid in keeping pace but I really only feel Lamb has high enough upside to breakout. At this point it feels like the same song and dance every year with Morey and there's a reason Houston has had it's hand in every star's trade rumors over the past few years going so far as almost landing Pau Gasol last year...Reminds me of Portland, always on the verge of something but somehow never works out.

THAT IS A goodpoint remi, but honestly keeping pace is very important.. Just think, we keep hearing people say, morey must do something, he must do something... Yet, the knicks for example, and we are not the only team remi, have been going out, signing big name players and losing.. this goes back to the isiah era.. so you can see why people are skeptical of this course of action..

yet morey has been taking this path for some time now and the rockets have yet to have a losing season in 6+ seasons.. so keeping pack on a good path is not a bad thing.. not sure what the rush is with houston, they just can't afford to make many mistakes.. I understand that... now that they don't have yao, maybe they are taking a different even more cautious approach as to the type of player they add...

[TKF]

Unless one of those players becomes a franchise star they can build around, Houston accomplished nothing last night.

I know for a fact that being a 40+ win team that never makes the playoffs is not what the Rockets or their fans want them to be. Either tank or don't. This straddling the line is the worst thing for a franchise to do.

And at the deadline, they will desperately try again to trade for a star. When that doesn't work, they will desperately try again to do it at the draft, and the wheels on that bus will continue to spin in the mud.

nah, that is not true.. they are a 40+wn team, if those guys get them a few more wins, they are a playoff team, and that gives them a good foundation to keep building.. let me ask you this gony.. how many teams have franchise players and stars? there are so few, so everything is not futile...

we have had franchise or so called franchise players and stars here for the better part of this decade.. from marbury on down to now.... how well have we fared? How about the wizards with arenas when he was healthy? he was considered a franchise player, right? the list goes on and on... Houston will be fine... there is no reason to think that they can't improve upon last year... if so, that makes them a playoff team....