MeloDrama 6.5: The Prelude

[newyorker4ever]

just in case i wasn't clear...F*CK RAYMOND FELTON!

I feel your pain, but we knew what Ray Felton was when we got him. It was our fault more than his. He was coming off a terrible season. Not hard to realize that even if he had a decent season, he'd revert back to crapitude before the end of his contract.

Felton just came out and said that he's in the best shape he's been in in the last 4/5 years......hahahaha fatty.

[ibraheim718]

Fish looking good I'm impressed.. Woody always looked drunk to me.

[Michael Lucky]

SAS saying everyone is waiting on Bosh.

It sounds like, if Carl is legit, everyone is waiting on Amare

lol that's such BS. It's pretty clear they are all waiting on Lebron, you know the guy that can lead them to more titles and is the best player on the market.

Why is is all BS? Perhaps LBJ is too pansy to tell Bosh in his face he rather have Melo on the team than him?

Maybe, maybe not, but Bosh is in no rush to sign anything until he knows where Lebron is headed. Which again means Bosh has all the reasons in the world to wait on Lebron to make his own mind, not the other way around.

[kosmovitelli]

MeloDrama 6.5: The Prelude

I know, it's only Melo but i like it !

[jp007]

I don't understand all this bosh this bosh that, DWade is the problem lol.

Thats why LBJ is having dinner with just Wade probably.

You don't change anything by replacing bosh with Melo when D Wade still doesnt give you anything production wise doesnt knock down 3 which made me believe why ray allen started. imagine if wade came off the bench lol and put shooters all around lebron.

*sorry i really shouldn't discuss this in this thread*

[newyorker4ever]

Could be Melo waiting on Gasol. He could have maybe just told Gasol he'll wait for him? Doesn't seem entirely rational that he'd wait on Pau, but doesn't seem entirely rational that Melo can fit into Heat's cap either. Or that he's holding out hope for a S&T with the Bulls when he hasn't even contacted the Knicks.

Based on what we've been told, my guess would be that he's waiting on:

Amar'e trade
Gasol to commit for MLE

If that goes through, then he signs.

What if Phil already has a deal in place to trade Amare or Bargs or both but he's just waiting on a commitment from Lebron or Gasol before he makes the trade??

[cubanKnick]

just in case i wasn't clear...F*CK RAYMOND FELTON!

I feel your pain, but we knew what Ray Felton was when we got him. It was our fault more than his. He was coming off a terrible season. Not hard to realize that even if he had a decent season, he'd revert back to crapitude before the end of his contract.

Felton just came out and said that he's in the best shape he's been in in the last 4/5 years......hahahaha fatty.

Didn't he say something similar last year....thank you Cubans for taking out dead weight

[Moose]

I didn't get a chance to respond to you before, so I will now.
First, don't be a jackass when I simply stated a fact. We did in fact have both young players and cap space going into 2010....young players who were regarded at much higher levels than McD, the euro, Shump, Timmy and Larkin. So keep it cute.

Second, established star players prefer to go to teams that are ready to win right away. Maybe not championship ready, but at least a good playoff run ready.

That team you posted is nowhere near ready to compete even for a playoff spot. How do you plan on attracting "stars" with that? If free agency is the route we take Melo is more of an asset than you think or are willing to accept.

Your scenario is for the full rebuild and your willing to dig in with years of losing, because that team is gonna lose and lose ugly. With that in mind, missing the 2016 pick is beyond a huge problem as that will in fact be a lottery pick....it's just two years away.

Your rebuild plan is better suited for us to start after Phil leaves which will be 5 years from now and hopefully we will possess ALL of our picks in consecutive succession so that we have a steady flow of young prospects rated decently coming into the NBA.

Your plan is not wrong. It has kinks, but it's not wrong.

That being said Phil is not here to rebuild from the ground up. He was brought here to keep and build around Melo and you need to put your foot on what I'm saying because it is no lie. Phil is 70 years old with a 5 year contract, this is about winning now. With this team as constructed, you do in fact need to keep Melo at all costs. He is the key for recruiting free agents to come here in the next few years. The difference between having Melo on your team recruiting to not having a Melo here to recruit is the difference between your big free agent signings being Gordan and Frye or your free agent signings be Gasol.

I would have to do the math again, but I believe we won't be able to offer a max contract (or close to it) if melo is making his max with proper raises.

I think if he makes 20 mill next season, we would be close to being able to offer the max to someone like Gasol.

Again, we really need someone to break it down for us without the mistakes that I may have made.

We should have or at least close to it.
No one can break it down properly due to the fact that we don't know how much the cap will be.
It's also a lot easier(not a given) for a player to leave a little money on the table knowing they are joining a star already in place. If Melo take a little(again, not a given) less then you would have a little more room as well.

Also who's to say JR and Jose will even be here by next off-season if Melo is here?

That's even more room.

From an earlier post of mine:

"If Melo makes 20 mill In 2015/2016, Knicks will have about 15 mill in cap room with JR (counting opt-in) and shump (counting QO) on the books."


This was assuming a 65mill cap and some other assumptions. Like you said, hard to say, but I think Melo at 20mill makes life a little easier for everyone. At 18mill per, it makes life a lot easier.

From my breakdown, I want Melo at 20 mill. I am unsure how much his max is, but it would probably be 24mill or so in 2015/2016.

That 4 mill means a chance at a max cat would come through letting Shump go and his cap hold of 4 mill and hoping JR opts out or moving a few million through trade (like THJ).

[NYCk4life]

I don't understand all this bosh this bosh that, DWade is the problem lol.

Thats why LBJ is having dinner with just Wade probably.

You don't change anything by replacing bosh with Melo when D Wade still doesnt give you anything production wise doesnt knock down 3 which made me believe why ray allen started. imagine if wade came off the bench lol and put shooters all around lebron.

*sorry i really shouldn't discuss this in this thread*

The discussion would be over his salary expectations to give the Heat more flexibility. What Bron wants Wade to accept is probably less than what Wade is ok with.

[K_ick_God]

ESPN chattering about S&T is not the same as the Knicks and Leon and Bulls talking. That's the relevant thing here isn't it.

[MKCATL]

Could be Melo waiting on Gasol. He could have maybe just told Gasol he'll wait for him? Doesn't seem entirely rational that he'd wait on Pau, but doesn't seem entirely rational that Melo can fit into Heat's cap either. Or that he's holding out hope for a S&T with the Bulls when he hasn't even contacted the Knicks.

Based on what we've been told, my guess would be that he's waiting on:

Amar'e trade
Gasol to commit for MLE

If that goes through, then he signs.

What if Phil already has a deal in place to trade Amare or Bargs or both but he's just waiting on a commitment from Lebron or Gasol before he makes the trade??

Phil could be waiting on the Sixers, who are waiting on Houston, Who is waiting on Bosh, who is waiting on Lebron. If the Sixers prefer Lin.

[kosmovitelli]

Random thought: I cannot believe the Bulls wouldn't part with Taj Gibson if it guaranteed them Melo. Gibson is good, but it's a no-brainer to dump him if it secures a guy like Melo.

I think if the Bulls told Melo right from the beginning that they would trade Gibson and offer him 4yrs. at $20 mil per, Melo would already be a Chicago Bull.

Not necessarely (there's still a big difference with the Knicks five-year max offer) but it would be a step in the right direction if they really wanted Melo instead of hoping for a delusional sign and trade with the Knicks.

[Michael Lucky]

I don't understand all this bosh this bosh that, DWade is the problem lol.

Thats why LBJ is having dinner with just Wade probably.

You don't change anything by replacing bosh with Melo when D Wade still doesnt give you anything production wise doesnt knock down 3 which made me believe why ray allen started. imagine if wade came off the bench lol and put shooters all around lebron.

*sorry i really shouldn't discuss this in this thread*

It also makes Miami even more one dimensional with three players that like to predominantly play ISO ball. They also need improvement in their rebounding, and this move would do nothing to help that. They basically would 'npt have a low post threat, which would allow any good coach in the league to devise some defensive schemes to take advantage of them. It would definitely not help better their Defense. Pretty sure the Spurs would obliterate that team again.

[LJ4pointplay]

Based on what we've been told, my guess would be that he's waiting on:

Amar'e trade
Gasol to commit for MLE

If that goes through, then he signs.

What if Phil already has a deal in place to trade Amare or Bargs or both but he's just waiting on a commitment from Lebron or Gasol before he makes the trade??

Phil could be waiting on the Sixers, who are waiting on Houston, Who is waiting on Bosh, who is waiting on Lebron. If the Sixers prefer Lin.

People keep saying this, but Sixers could trade for both Lin and Amare if they want. The two trades are not mutually exclusive.

[moocow007]

I would have to do the math again, but I believe we won't be able to offer a max contract (or close to it) if melo is making his max with proper raises.

I think if he makes 20 mill next season, we would be close to being able to offer the max to someone like Gasol.

Again, we really need someone to break it down for us without the mistakes that I may have made.

We should have or at least close to it.
No one can break it down properly due to the fact that we don't know how much the cap will be.
It's also a lot easier(not a given) for a player to leave a little money on the table knowing they are joining a star already in place. If Melo take a little(again, not a given) less then you would have a little more room as well.

Also who's to say JR and Jose will even be here by next off-season if Melo is here?

That's even more room.

From an earlier post of mine:

"If Melo makes 20 mill In 2015/2016, Knicks will have about 15 mill in cap room with JR (counting opt-in) and shump (counting QO) on the books."


This was assuming a 65mill cap and some other assumptions. Like you said, hard to say, but I think Melo at 20mill makes life a little easier for everyone. At 18mill per, it makes life a lot easier.

From my breakdown, I want Melo at 20 mill. I am unsure how much his max is, but it would probably be 24mill or so in 2015/2016.

That 4 mill means a chance at a max cat would come through letting Shump go and his cap hold of 4 mill and hoping JR opts out or moving a few million through trade (like THJ).

There's a reason why the Knicks are rumored to be looking to move Shumpert...and it's not because they don't like him.

[SelbyCobra]

I've got to go work will one of you update what has happened?

Wade and Bron had dinner in Vegas. Paleo.

Wow without Bosh???

C'mon, Bosh invented Paleo.

[xNewYorkMadex]

Seems like its going to be another quiet day. I expect things to start rolling late tomorrow night.

[MKCATL]

What if Phil already has a deal in place to trade Amare or Bargs or both but he's just waiting on a commitment from Lebron or Gasol before he makes the trade??

Phil could be waiting on the Sixers, who are waiting on Houston, Who is waiting on Bosh, who is waiting on Lebron. If the Sixers prefer Lin.

People keep saying this, but Sixers could trade for both Lin and Amare if they want. The two trades are not mutually exclusive.

They have that much cap room? Damn

[ag3]

I never thought this would take longer then 2010 and the decision but it is.
By now, in 2010 we already knew Wade and Bosh were signing with Miami and the Decision was a couple hours away from being aired on TV.

[H20FAN]

smh RR is on full troll mode...dude just tweeted "breaking news..." thats it