Acy and the Knicks

Greenie · Post #221 » by **Greenie** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:56 pm

AmazingJason wrote:Acy's the best starting PF we've had since Wilson Chandler.

STAT says hello

Phish Tank · Post #222 » by **Phish Tank** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:04 pm

greenhughes wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:Acy's the best starting PF we've had since Wilson Chandler.

STAT says hello

.... man how people forget.

Post #223 » by **moocow007** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:14 pm

vdfebduderocks wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:Acy's the best starting PF we've had since Wilson Chandler.

STAT says hello

.... man how people forget.

Honestly. Stoudemire was being talked about as an MVP candidate his first season in NY. And considering that Carmelo Anthony has been the starting PF the last 2 seasons in NY he also would be applicable for consideration. And wasn't Danilo Gallinari drafted the year after Wilson Chandler AND also a power forward?

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #224 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:36 pm

Dr. Detfink wrote:Defense is a mindset. Don't remember BJ Armstrong, Flava Flav, Cartwright, Pacson, Stacy King, and Wil Purdue getting individual awards when the Bulls D was tops.

The question really is, who is willing to sacrifice on the Knicks to take the charge, get the rebound, fight to prevent an easy bucket?

We'll find out who is willing to step forward.

The bold is 100000000000% correct -- it's a mindset and effort based, for the most part.

Players still need to understand concepts, but that shouldn't be that hard to do (in theory). What bothers me with the players on our team who simply don't play defense is not only do they not understand how to rotate / understand basic defensive concepts (help the helper, don't give up middle, etc), they don't even try. You can make up for mistakes just by trying harder / giving effort...if they did that, we'd stop complaining as much as we do.

Post #225 » by **moocow007** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:40 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
Dr. Detfink wrote:Defense is a mindset. Don't remember BJ Armstrong, Flava Flav, Cartwright, Pacson, Stacy King, and Wil Purdue getting individual awards when the Bulls D was tops.

The question really is, who is willing to sacrifice on the Knicks to take the charge, get the rebound, fight to prevent an easy bucket?

We'll find out who is willing to step forward.

The bold is 100000000000% correct -- it's a mindset and effort based, for the most part.

Players still need to understand concepts, but that shouldn't be that hard to do (in theory). What bothers me with the players on our team who simply don't play defense is not only do they not understand how to rotate / understand basic defensive concepts (help the helper, don't give up middle, etc), they don't even try. You can make up for mistakes just by trying harder / giving effort...if they did that, we'd stop complaining as much as we do.

Hopefully the change in culture and mindset will at least get the players on this team to try harder defensively. Some probably still will not do great defensively and I'm sure there will still be plenty of head scratching mistakes defensively but hopefully at least they all try harder. Even Stoudemire has looked like he's trying harder even though it's still clear that he just can't grasp team defense. As long as they try their hardest, that's all you can ask.

god shammgod · Post #226 » by **god shammgod** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:47 pm

greenhughes wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:Acy's the best starting PF we've had since Wilson Chandler.

STAT says hello

when will he say goodbye ?

Greenie · Post #227 » by **Greenie** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:51 pm

vdfebduderocks wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:Acy's the best starting PF we've had since Wilson Chandler.

STAT says hello

.... man how people forget.

I know STAT leaves a lot...and I mean A LOT to be desired but his first year and then a few spurts here and there since have been beast.

Greenie · Post #228 » by **Greenie** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:52 pm

god shammgod wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:Acy's the best starting PF we've had since Wilson Chandler.

STAT says hello

when will he say goodbye ?

When will apimpnamedstepback?

Greenie · Post #229 » by **Greenie** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:54 pm

moocow007 wrote:
vdfebduderocks wrote:
greenhughes wrote:STAT says hello

.... man how people forget.

Honestly. Stoudemire was being talked about as an MVP candidate his first season in NY. And considering that Carmelo Anthony has been the starting PF the last 2 seasons in NY he also would be applicable for consideration. And wasn't Danilo Gallinari drafted the year after Wilson Chandler AND also a power forward?

See, I feel Wilson>>Gallo. But that's just my opinion. Gallo stayed hurt here and when he did play it seemed as if Mike just stood him in a corner.

Post #230 » by **Thugger HBC** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:54 pm

greenhughes wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
greenhughes wrote:STAT says hello

when will he say goodbye ?

When will apimpnamedstepback?

Greenie · Post #231 » by **Greenie** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:55 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
when will he say goodbye ?

When will apimpnamedstepback?

Really though? :lol:

god shammgod · Post #232 » by **god shammgod** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:13 pm

look, if i can get rid of amare & bargs, i'll throw in jr smith, chris smith, sam smith, a smith machine, whatever.

Moose · Post #233 » by **Moose** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:13 pm

The biggest reason to trade JR is so he doesn't opt-in with this team, eating valuable cap space.

The next reason is to give more minutes to THjr, Shump, and even Larkin.

mugzi · Post #234 » by **mugzi** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:35 pm

god shammgod wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:Acy's the best starting PF we've had since Wilson Chandler.

STAT says hello

when will he say goodbye ?

Post #235 » by **Manhattan Project** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:56 pm

Pharmcat · Post #236 » by **Pharmcat** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:59 pm

god shammgod wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:Acy's the best starting PF we've had since Wilson Chandler.

STAT says hello

when will he say goodbye ?

hes not going anywhere this year unless he is needed as to make salary work in a trade for a star (i.e. rondo)

god shammgod · Post #237 » by **god shammgod** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:06 pm

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 6m6 minutes ago

Fisher says Bargnani will not play tomorrow. #Knicks

god shammgod · Post #238 » by **god shammgod** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:09 pm

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 5m5 minutes ago

Fisher says the #Knicks' plan to manage Amare's minutes will have no bearing on whether he ultimately starts or comes off the bench.

Greenie · Post #239 » by **Greenie** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:11 pm

Pharmcat wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
greenhughes wrote:STAT says hello

when will he say goodbye ?

hes not going anywhere this year unless he is needed as to make salary work in a trade for a star (i.e. rondo)

not happening

Post #240 » by **K_ick_God** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:56 pm

ctorres wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
moocow007 wrote:

Most of us haven't even been calling him a good defender. Are you even listening to yourself?!?!?

You're drinking some serious haterade man. It's like your sense of objectivity has gone out the window.

One of the more unfortunate things to see on a forum is when you start seeing a poster, one who has historically had insightful things to say, start going off the deep end. Don't let this become you, KnicksGod.

Talent is a major factor in causing the wrong people to play. I think we are kidding ourselves if we think this guy is suddenly going to get it. Scoring skill is overrated but I could live with JR playing if his D was really helpful. But not so in his case.

Hope I'm wrong but JR lacks desire and smarts and that's not fixable really. The biggest role he should have is the one that George Karl gave him which is a minor one. I fear Fisher will fall into the same trap of playing a bad player a lot for "scoring."