Post game: No Papa Johns

[Iron Mantis]

So what you're saying is, raw draft position isn't as important as good scouting and player development?

Huh

I said exactly what I said. The better your draft position, the more likely you will have a major impact player available for "good scouting and player development".

So we are just going to pretend far and away the majority of the NBA's stars weren't top 10 draft picks? In many cases, top 5?

So you'd choose a team with poor scouting and the 5th pick over a team with good scouting and the 12th pick

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Why not have both?

[Red Vines]

Tanking is not a plan, it's a lazy gamble. Let's just play the odds! Forget about building something attractive to free agents or improving the young talent we already have! That's not how this works. Tanking should only happen if the season is completely unsalvageable.

[DOT]

I said exactly what I said. The better your draft position, the more likely you will have a major impact player available for "good scouting and player development".

So we are just going to pretend far and away the majority of the NBA's stars weren't top 10 draft picks? In many cases, top 5?

So you'd choose a team with poor scouting and the 5th pick over a team with good scouting and the 12th pick

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Why not have both?

Cause we're not picking top 5 unless KP gets injured, and there's no major difference between the 6th and 10th picks

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[Clyde_Style]

Tanking is not a plan, it's a lazy gamble. Let's just play the odds! Forget about building something attractive to free agents or improving the young talent we already have! That's not how this works.

That's not really the point

IF

Timmy is out indefinitely

&

KP has physical issues that are best addressed by being out of the line-up

(that sprain was wicked, could be a while + Elbow should not be glossed over if it could turn into a career damaging chronic condition)

That's the current situation, so if their absences extend into the foreseeable future then tanking is a legit POV IMO

But I do agree that we have plenty of development to focus on anyway so there is plenty of work to be done with existing players on the roster even if the stars are out

[Red Vines]

Tanking is not a plan, it's a lazy gamble. Let's just play the odds! Forget about building something attractive to free agents or improving the young talent we already have! That's not how this works.

That's not really the point

IF

Timmy is out indefinitely

&

KP has physical issues that are best addressed by being out of the line-up

That's the current situation, so if extends into the foreseeable future then tanking is a legit POV IMO

But I do agree that we have plenty of development to focus on anyway so there is plenty of work to be done with existing players on the roster even if the stars are out

Agree I added only if the season is unsalvageable. But some people want to tank regardless. They want to have all the main pieces to the championship puzzle before building anything which is fantasy.

[dakomish23]

13th pick is not gonna cut it, we need to lose more!

Get a young stud next to KP and this team is good to go.

until that group sucks, and...

tank forever!!!

You think the “core” we have is enough to build around?

[Red Vines]

Okay I didn't realize we actually don't own Trey Burke's NBA rights (h/t Alan Hahn), he can sign with any team right now... That tells me as soon as we can clear a spot (Dec 14th trade?) we can sign him...that has to be the plan right? Why else would he have chosen Westchester?

[mpharris36]

Okay I didn't realize we actually don't own Trey Burke's NBA rights, he can sign with any team right now... That tells me as soon as we can clear a spot (Dec 14th trade?) we can sign him...that has to be the plan right? Why else would he have chosen Westchester?

why we waiting to clear a spot though? Just cut sessions bum ass now.

[Red Vines]

Okay I didn't realize we actually don't own Trey Burke's NBA rights, he can sign with any team right now... That tells me as soon as we can clear a spot (Dec 14th trade?) we can sign him...that has to be the plan right? Why else would he have chosen Westchester?

why we waiting to clear a spot though? Just cut sessions bum ass now.

Money.

[Iron Mantis]

Tanking is not a plan, it's a lazy gamble. Let's just play the odds! Forget about building something attractive to free agents or improving the young talent we already have! That's not how this works.

That's not really the point

IF

Timmy is out indefinitely

&

KP has physical issues that are best addressed by being out of the line-up

That's the current situation, so if extends into the foreseeable future then tanking is a legit POV IMO

But I do agree that we have plenty of development to focus on anyway so there is plenty of work to be done with existing players on the roster even if the stars are out

Agree I added only if the season is unsalvageable. But some people want to tank regardless. They want to have all the main pieces to the championship puzzle before building anything which is fantasy.

The front office are the ones who sold us on this season being about growth and developing youth as opposed to desperately trying to squeeze wins out of the likes of Jack, Sessions, Lance, Beasley, etc.

The extra wins we get by featuring the vets are still not enough to make the playoffs. Timmy is hurt, teams have adjusted to KP so he can't drop 38 a night, Knicks are really not as good as y'all think....you will see, and I will remind you all in Jan & Feb.

Look at the list the list of free agents this summer. Who is signing here and on what sort of contract?

Some like the idea of seeing what we have by concentrating on developing young players this year even though it may lead to more losses and a high pick. It's a win-win.

[Clyde_Style]

Tanking is not a plan, it's a lazy gamble. Let's just play the odds! Forget about building something attractive to free agents or improving the young talent we already have! That's not how this works.

That's not really the point

IF

Timmy is out indefinitely

&

KP has physical issues that are best addressed by being out of the line-up

That's the current situation, so if extends into the foreseeable future then tanking is a legit POV IMO

But I do agree that we have plenty of development to focus on anyway so there is plenty of work to be done with existing players on the roster even if the stars are out

Agree I added only if the season is unsalvageable. But some people want to tank regardless. They want to have all the main pieces to the championship puzzle before building anything which is fantasy.

Agreed. There are people who talk about ECF after a win and tanking after the next loss which is the equivalent of white noise.

Perhaps RealGM could roll out a Swing Filter to weed out the posts of people who are polarized by the outcome of every single game.

If KP and Timmy are healthy, then Kanter's efficiency goes up again so there already synergies taking shape that could bode well for the future.

But if the elbow is a real issue I want to deal with it and face the music sooner than later.

[Clyde_Style]

That's not really the point

IF

Timmy is out indefinitely

&

KP has physical issues that are best addressed by being out of the line-up

That's the current situation, so if extends into the foreseeable future then tanking is a legit POV IMO

But I do agree that we have plenty of development to focus on anyway so there is plenty of work to be done with existing players on the roster even if the stars are out

Agree I added only if the season is unsalvageable. But some people want to tank regardless. They want to have all the main pieces to the championship puzzle before building anything which is fantasy.

The front office are the ones who sold us on this season being about growth and developing youth as opposed to desperately trying to squeeze wins out of the likes of Jack, Sessions, Lance, Beasley, etc.

The extra wins we get by featuring the vets are still not enough to make the playoffs. Timmy is hurt, teams have adjusted to KP so he can't drop 38 a night, Knicks are really not as good as y'all think....you will see, and I will remind you all in Jan & Feb.

Look at the list the list of free agents this summer. Who is signing here and on what sort of contract?

Some like the idea of seeing what we have by concentrating on developing young players this year even though it may lead to more losses and a high pick. It's a win-win.

Cap space forces this franchise to focus on player development for 2-3 years which will probably turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

But those cap space constraints also do make high level rookie talent very desirable.

You can do both, i.e. develop and hit the lottery.

[Iron Mantis]

Agree I added only if the season is unsalvageable. But some people want to tank regardless. They want to have all the main pieces to the championship puzzle before building anything which is fantasy.

The front office are the ones who sold us on this season being about growth and developing youth as opposed to desperately trying to squeeze wins out of the likes of Jack, Sessions, Lance, Beasley, etc.

The extra wins we get by featuring the vets are still not enough to make the playoffs. Timmy is hurt, teams have adjusted to KP so he can't drop 38 a night, Knicks are really not as good as y'all think....you will see, and I will remind you all in Jan & Feb.

Look at the list the list of free agents this summer. Who is signing here and on what sort of contract?

Some like the idea of seeing what we have by concentrating on developing young players this year even though it may lead to more losses and a high pick. It's a win-win.

Cap space forces this franchise to focus on player development for 2-3 years which will probably turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

But those cap space constraints also do make high level rookie talent very desirable.

You can do both, i.e. develop and hit the lottery.

[mpharris36]

Okay I didn't realize we actually don't own Trey Burke's NBA rights, he can sign with any team right now... That tells me as soon as we can clear a spot (Dec 14th trade?) we can sign him...that has to be the plan right? Why else would he have chosen Westchester?

why we waiting to clear a spot though? Just cut sessions bum ass now.

Money.

yeah I seriously doubt ramon sessions making a vet min contract is worrying dolan about eating that...they just cut kuz who was making more.

[xNewYorkMadex]

13th pick is not gonna cut it, we need to lose more!

Get a young stud next to KP and this team is good to go.

until that group sucks, and...

tank forever!!!

Just need that can't-miss blue-chip prospect like Michael Beasley or Jahlil Okafor and we're set! Very simple process...

How did we get KP in the 1st place? Tanking. Yes we slipped in the draft order, but tanking still keeps you in place of getting a top 5 pick and drafting a potential superstar. And most importantly, gives you the control of drafting who you want instead of seeing teams draft Westbrook and Curry ahead of us.

And yes I understand tanking isnt a full proof way of turning your franchise around. I know players like Booker, Kawhi, Giannis were all picked around the 15th pick, but the vast vast majority in that range are role players or players who arent in the league.

Since we already have KP, if we do draft a stud, it immediately makes us future title contenders. Not a team fighting for a playoff spot or even a team with the 4th-5th seed in the playoffs. Its rare for a 4th seeded team to even make the finals, only 2 have made the finals in the last 20 years or so. We need to be elite, thats the goal. Not just be content with making the playoffs and getting ousted in the 1st or 2nd round. Its not the NFL or MLB where you can get hot at the right time, NBA you need to pair your elite talent with another one and your're in the running to win the title. Pairing KP with another young elite level talent and our championship window grows.

Thats the thought process, and it isnt wrong for a fan to think that way. Nor is it wrong for you to believe tanking isnt the correct strategy. Its just different strategies that can be used effectively if used correctly.

Either way, ive said numerous times this team will likely end up with the 8th-11th pick anyways. We will win some games coming up, but come February this team will likely fall apart unfortunately. Which may not be a bad spot to be in, but we will need to have expert scouting in order to hit a hr with a pick in that range.

[Clyde_Style]

I seriously doubt the JWO would be against a final tank this year.

KP and his familia know they need one more keeper and that you can build up everything else from there.

That does not mean I believe KP would throw games, but I do think he would allow himself to be inactive to get his health in order long enough to achieve those ends.

KP is a smart guy. If he can get to the promised land by landing another stud while ensuring he is healthy I don't see him going against that logic.

[sushibear]

Still early to be calling tank. Even last season I wasn't on team tank and wanted success for the team when season began. I Only followed suit after allstar break when the team kept compiling them L's. Imma wait till this team get healthy and after the trade deadline.

[Iron Mantis]

until that group sucks, and...

tank forever!!!

Just need that can't-miss blue-chip prospect like Michael Beasley or Jahlil Okafor and we're set! Very simple process...

How did we get KP in the 1st place? Tanking. Yes we slipped in the draft order, but tanking still keeps you in place of getting a top 5 pick and drafting a potential superstar. And most importantly, gives you the control of drafting who you want instead of seeing teams draft Westbrook and Curry ahead of us.

And yes I understand tanking isnt a full proof way of turning your franchise around. I know players like Booker, Kawhi, Giannis were all picked around the 15th pick, but the vast vast majority in that range are role players or players who arent in the league.

Since we already have KP, if we do draft a stud, it immediately makes us future title contenders. Not a team fighting for a playoff spot or even a team with the 4th-5th seed in the playoffs. Its rare for a 4th seeded team to even make the finals, only 2 have made the finals in the last 20 years or so. We need to be elite, thats the goal. Not just be content with making the playoffs and getting ousted in the 1st or 2nd round. Its not the NFL or MLB where you can get hot at the right time, NBA you need to pair your elite talent with another one and your're in the running to win the title. Pairing KP with another young elite level talent and our championship window grows.

Thats the thought process, and it isnt wrong for a fan to think that way. Nor is it wrong for you to believe tanking isnt the correct strategy. Its just different strategies that can be used effectively if used correctly.

Either way, ive said numerous times this team will likely end up with the 8th-11th pick anyways. We will win some games coming up, but come February this team will likely fall apart unfortunately. Which may not be a bad spot to be in, but we will need to have expert scouting in order to hit a hr with a pick in that range.

Facts.

How can one be anti-tank and love the talent we have in KP.... when we only got KP through tanking?

We can draft another KP-like talent this year if things go "well".

[Clyde_Style]

Still early to be calling tank. Even last season I wasn't on team tank and wanted success for the team when season began. I Only followed suit after allstar break when the team kept compiling them L's. Imma wait till this team get healthy and after the trade deadline.

Have to at least give Perry some time to see what he can do. He already made his mark with the first trade.

The value of an excellent GM is probably more important than draft position.

[GIMME_DATT]

Tanking is not a plan, it's a lazy gamble. Let's just play the odds! Forget about building something attractive to free agents or improving the young talent we already have! That's not how this works. Tanking should only happen if the season is completely unsalvageable.

What's your goal to imrpve this team. They are not getting game changing free agents and they have one building block currently and Thj as starting level players. They lack talent