Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

[taj2133]

Knicks will pick up dotson contract for the 2019-2020 season according to berman.

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[DowNY]

Using all your cap on bigs on that are not even close to superstar level where players like Bell Vonleh WCS Looney all go for minimum or tick above shows the vision of the front office thats not progression

People praising Mitch contract but if you use all the remaining cap on other bigs that negates all the value of Mitch contract

Bell, Vonleh, WCS & Looney are all worse than the worst big on our team. That’s why they went for minimum.
You’re talking about money being tied into bigs like it’s not 1+1 deals and acting like you don’t realize bigs is a position with the least depth on this team still.
We got plenty of wings & guards.

Those players with those deals destroy what we got value wise, just not a smart moneyball way to use your cap

This not 2011. The contracts we got guys in are great for trade filler. You see these salaries being handed out?
What’s WCS & Vonleh gonna do in any trade besides be a roster body?

[DowNY]

Knicks will pick up dotson contract for the 2019-2020 season according to berman.

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“Despite signing three guards”
Didn’t he just have a tweet last night throwing shade at the fact the Knicks let Mudiay, Vonleh & Mario leave? Lmaooo pick a side

[El Poochio]

I was looking at Kuzma and his RPM was bad. Really bad. But the Lakers wouldn’t part with him. You have to sometimes consider what your team is gonna look like together. Knicks need scoring as much as they need good analytics. Randle has to tighten it up but Taj will help and Portis at 40% from 3 is notable. The rooks are more likely to fail long term if we don’t start winning games and stay close in games.

Gives the young players a chance to make positive contributions to games in smaller ways, asked to do less, and then they and the team progress.

Did Ibaka have good analytics? Or Lowry? The mix helped them win games and a title.

Gotta get a little lucky. Did Brooklyn have great analytics? I can’t imagine D-Lo does or Allen is off the charts. Yet the Nets are the toast of the town.

We need wins. Analytics only a part of that.

Plus Mitch does compensate a lot and these are tradable deals.

I think it’s a good gamble on a Plan B.

Brooklyn had their basketball identity established well before even with bums and that modern fast paced 3 point bombing style must have got players attention and found pleasant enough since two of the top FAs went there, where we keep investing in selfish ball hog players suited to what Fizz been trying to do with his iso shİt

Well I hope you guise are right and we somehow come out as winners from these investments and not be just missed opportunity costs

Randle is 3 apg. For a scoring big that’s not selfish. Fiz ... I have no faith. But that’s a separate question.

Randle nearly more turnovers than assists for %30 usage rate fcking disgusting stop trying to make me hate the signing even more

[taj2133]

Knicks will pick up dotson contract for the 2019-2020 season according to berman.

Read on Twitter

“Despite signing three guards”
Didn’t he just have a tweet last night throwing shade at the fact the Knicks let Mudiay, Vonleh & Mario leave? Lmaooo pick a side

Dotson can play shooting guard and small forward so that doesn't matter what position dotson plays. I do get your point berman should make up his mind.

[El Poochio]

Bell, Vonleh, WCS & Looney are all worse than the worst big on our team. That’s why they went for minimum.
You’re talking about money being tied into bigs like it’s not 1+1 deals and acting like you don’t realize bigs is a position with the least depth on this team still.
We got plenty of wings & guards.

Those players with those deals destroy what we got value wise, just not a smart moneyball way to use your cap

This not 2011. The contracts we got guys in are great for trade filler. You see these salaries being handed out?
What’s WCS & Vonleh gonna do in any trade besides be a roster body?

Imo paying 10x 15x more for a slightly better prolly even worse for a contender player is definitely better for trades and future endeavours

[Sark]

Knicks plan is to massively overpay scrubs to 1 year contracts, cut them the following year to make space, in order to do it again. All while desperately praying for an 8 seed if the moon, planets, and stars align, so that way they can claim that the culture has changed.

There is no long term plan here. They are not even commiting to be bad for better picks. We'll be perennially picking in the 8 to 11 range.

The one thing that they do well is sell hope. The fan base always believes that it will get better, and we'll be in contention in no time.

[robillionaire]

The next draft isn’t for another year can’t we just wait until the trade deadline before criticizing them for not getting any more picks they have time and these contracts are highly moveable

[El Poochio]

Rebuild all you want if you cant back it up with a modern basketball vision you will always be left behind you are not the only rebuilding team around lol

[DaGawd]

We canceled the Kawhi meeting ourselves?? Ahhhh hell nah..

[El Poochio]

People are getting #4 picks in stacked drafts for picks and we are trying to satisfy a weird fetish of team options lol

[J9Starks3]

Knicks plan is to massively overpay scrubs to 1 year contracts, cut them the following year to make space, in order to do it again. All while desperately praying for an 8 seed if the moon, planets, and stars align, so that way they can claim that the culture has changed.

There is no long term plan here. They are not even commiting to be bad for better picks. We'll be perennially picking in the 8 to 11 range.

The one thing that they do well is sell hope. The fan base always believes that it will get better, and we'll be in contention in no time.

Massively overpay is a bit much, considering the prices of the contracts... overpay, maybe - but you have to overpay to maintain some flexibility ... # of years comes down, cost of contract goes up...thats just business. Randle isnt a scrub, you can say hes a big numbers/bad team - but thats not a scrub. All the contracts are highly moveable.

We were NOT getting any big name FAs once KD changed his mind, so our options at that point are limited. As we saw this year, tanking doesn’t necessarily help you in the new lotto rules so being a 7-14 seed in the lotto is not a bad thing. Also being a 6-8 seed for our young guys isnt a bad thing either.

You’d be the first person to say that the Nets franchise was more appealing because their young guys stepped up and got the the playoffs, they were better equipped to win with KD/Kyrie... well thats not a bad goal for us.

[robillionaire]

People are getting #4 picks in stacked drafts for picks and we are trying to satisfy a weird fetish of team options lol

There’s a reason the suns let him go

[J9Starks3]

We canceled the Kawhi meeting ourselves?? Ahhhh hell nah..

Seriously?

[Bob Ross]

Kawhi wasnt coming here anyway. no point in taking a curteousy meeting.

there is a weird Dolan inspired inferiority complex with all these reports of us making the choice to not meet, not offer, not act or whatever. I dont believe the KD thing; he was going to follow Kyrie

[DaGawd]

We canceled the Kawhi meeting ourselves?? Ahhhh hell nah..

Seriously?

https://nypost.com/2019/07/03/why-knicks-backed-out-of-kawhi-leonard-meeting/

I'm sick...

[taj2133]

Knicks plan is to massively overpay scrubs to 1 year contracts, cut them the following year to make space, in order to do it again. All while desperately praying for an 8 seed if the moon, planets, and stars align, so that way they can claim that the culture has changed.

There is no long term plan here. They are not even commiting to be bad for better picks. We'll be perennially picking in the 8 to 11 range.

The one thing that they do well is sell hope. The fan base always believes that it will get better, and we'll be in contention in no time.

Did you even look at the roster because it looks like you didn't take your time to look at new addition on this team and these players aren't scrubs. So your logic is this randle, portis, gibson, payton, bullock, and ellington are scrubs but to last year roster mudiay, ,mario, vonlah, lance, billy garret, john jonkins, luke kornet, and henry ellenson are super scrubs. You don't make any sense i don't know what hel did you want scott perry and mills to do you probably would have gone after kemba walker and tobas harris according to your logic.

[Bob Ross]

this is spin to save face. If they had word there was a legit shot, they do like the other 3 and wait for the meeting. They were never in it

[G_K_F]

Kawhi wasnt coming here anyway. no point in taking a curteousy meeting.

there is a weird Dolan inspired inferiority complex with all these reports of us making the choice to not meet, not offer, not act or whatever. I dont believe the KD thing; he was going to follow Kyrie

Dolan does the "oh you don't want to come here?! Well I didn't want you anyway!" thing very often.

[Bob Ross]

Kawhi wasnt coming here anyway. no point in taking a curteousy meeting.

there is a weird Dolan inspired inferiority complex with all these reports of us making the choice to not meet, not offer, not act or whatever. I dont believe the KD thing; he was going to follow Kyrie

Dolan does the "oh you don't want to come here?! Well I didn't want you anyway!" thing very often.

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