The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[DOT]

I wish Perry wasn't holding his minutes back but still it is good to see this stat line. I am looking for highlights, nothing yet on youtube as of 10 minutes ago.

Highlights don't really help, because you don't see how the game is changed by non-splashy plays. I know I keep going on about this, but it's really is important.

Anyway, try: https://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/mediaplayer/video/resume-france-argentine-77-58-prepa-coupe-du-monde-1180804.html

If you look you see that the score is ~20-20 with the time showing ~3:30 in the 1Q (about at 0:30?). Then there's a Frank assist and a Frank bringing the ball up the court and shooting a 3 off the dribble. Then the next action is when Frank is already off the court and you see the score is something like 45-27.

Thanks mate, the form looked good on that shot.

His form always looks smooth, not sure why his % isn't higher.

He's just inconsistent

Like, I keep posting this stat cause it's incredible to me, but if you take out his Novembers, he's a career 34% shooter. He shot like 28% in his first November, and 15% this past November, for an average of 22%, which given the volume he takes means he's the worst shooter in the league both Novembers. He has dips other months, but on average, he's solid outside of just one month a year

The inconsistency in FIBA play is not a good sign imo. I see young guys as, first two years you just need to show flashes, which I think Frank has, but by year 3, you need to show me some consistency. I fully expect us to move on either way, but getting consistent is what's gonna keep him around the league

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French times (6 hours in front of EST) - so 13:30 is 7:30 EST etc

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Like, I keep posting this stat cause it's incredible to me, but if you take out his Novembers, he's a career 34% shooter. He shot like 28% in his first November, and 15% this past November, for an average of 22%, which given the volume he takes means he's the worst shooter in the league both Novembers. He has dips other months, but on average, he's solid outside of just one month a year

The sample sizes are pretty small, so I think you have to take everything with a grain of salt. Also, it isn't clear, for example if his minutes/game goes down because his shooting % goes down or vice versa (or, ofc, some combo).

Given all of that, there are similar drop-offs for: 1 day's rest against more than 1 day's rest, and for playing against teams from the Northwest and Southwest divisions. But, again, the sample sizes are really small to be trying to deduce things.

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Hey now! Frank is looking pretty solid in those highlights. Good for him!

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Hey now! Frank is looking pretty solid in those highlights. Good for him!

Nothing new here about Franks defense impacting the team.

[ChaosHamster]

Frank pulling up with confidence. Often you can just see him second guess himself for a 0.1 sec every time he pulls-up for a jumper. Especially those mid-rangers from the free-throw line he likes some much.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Frank pulling up with confidence. Often you can just see him second guess himself for a 0.1 sec every time he pulls-up for a jumper. Especially those mid-rangers from the free-throw line he likes some much.

you can also see how aggressiveness opens up the game for him to do everything else. he makes good reads and passes when it's not there. defense just has to believe frank will go in their mouth if they don't respect. then good things can happen.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Frank pulling up with confidence. Often you can just see him second guess himself for a 0.1 sec every time he pulls-up for a jumper. Especially those mid-rangers from the free-throw line he likes some much.

not comparing the players. just pointing out kawhi leonard makes a living off that same shot off the same action.

more of my frustration with the unilateral denouncing of the midrange. it's free candy when done right.

[DOT]

more of my frustration with the unilateral denouncing of the midrange. it's free candy when done right.

It's like, you can shoot midranges just fine if you're good at it

But you can't base your offense around it

It's just simple math. CP3's one of the GOAT mid range shooters at like low 50s percent. On average, a shot at the rim is like 63%, meaning if you have the choice, you should always choose the shot at the rim. If you shoot 38% from 3, that's the equivalent of about 57% from mid, so if CP3 is a 38% 3 point shooter, he should always take the 3 over the mid, cause over the course of a game or over the course of a season, on average it will balance itself out

Now obviously you will not always be able to get layups or 3s, so if you can make mids at a respectable rate, it's a fine enough shot. But that shouldn't be your go-to option. Or in the scenario of you're down 1 or even and you have the ball with the shot clock off, in that scenario it doesn't matter what the average shot is worth, it matters what your percentage is, so a 50% mid is worth way more than a 38% 3, so you should take the mid over the 3. But you should still try and get a layup, because that's by far the best shot in that scenario

It shouldn't be a hard and fast rule to not take mids, but you really shouldn't be looking to take them if you have other options

[Jeff Van Gully]

more of my frustration with the unilateral denouncing of the midrange. it's free candy when done right.

It's like, you can shoot midranges just fine if you're good at it

But you can't base your offense around it

It's just simple math. CP3's one of the GOAT mid range shooters at like low 50s percent. On average, a shot at the rim is like 63%, meaning if you have the choice, you should always choose the shot at the rim. If you shoot 38% from 3, that's the equivalent of about 57% from mid, so if CP3 is a 38% 3 point shooter, he should always take the 3 over the mid, cause over the course of a game or over the course of a season, on average it will balance itself out

Now obviously you will not always be able to get layups or 3s, so if you can make mids at a respectable rate, it's a fine enough shot. But that shouldn't be your go-to option. Or in the scenario of you're down 1 or even and you have the ball with the shot clock off, in that scenario it doesn't matter what the average shot is worth, it matters what your percentage is, so a 50% mid is worth way more than a 38% 3, so you should take the mid over the 3. But you should still try and get a layup, because that's by far the best shot in that scenario

It shouldn't be a hard and fast rule to not take mids, but you really shouldn't be looking to take them if you have other options

no arguments here. i completely understand the risk-reward profile that makes those shots an analytics nightmare. it should never be the first option. i'm saying the drive isn't always there and when it's what the defense gives you, it's good to be able to take advantage. i brought up kawhi because he eats off the 2 as a result of other action. he's usually attacking the basket and if stopped, the free throw extended jumper is the release valve he is lethal at.

stylistically, if frank attacks and doesn't have the daylight, take that FT line jumper with confidence.

i would never suggest targeting the shot in an offensive scheme.

unless i was coaching a middle school team or something.

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[Clyde_Style]

more of my frustration with the unilateral denouncing of the midrange. it's free candy when done right.

It's like, you can shoot midranges just fine if you're good at it

But you can't base your offense around it

It's just simple math. CP3's one of the GOAT mid range shooters at like low 50s percent. On average, a shot at the rim is like 63%, meaning if you have the choice, you should always choose the shot at the rim. If you shoot 38% from 3, that's the equivalent of about 57% from mid, so if CP3 is a 38% 3 point shooter, he should always take the 3 over the mid, cause over the course of a game or over the course of a season, on average it will balance itself out

Now obviously you will not always be able to get layups or 3s, so if you can make mids at a respectable rate, it's a fine enough shot. But that shouldn't be your go-to option. Or in the scenario of you're down 1 or even and you have the ball with the shot clock off, in that scenario it doesn't matter what the average shot is worth, it matters what your percentage is, so a 50% mid is worth way more than a 38% 3, so you should take the mid over the 3. But you should still try and get a layup, because that's by far the best shot in that scenario

It shouldn't be a hard and fast rule to not take mids, but you really shouldn't be looking to take them if you have other options

no arguments here. i completely understand the risk-reward profile that makes those shots an analytics nightmare. it should never be the first option. i'm saying the drive isn't always there and when it's what the defense gives you, it's good to be able to take advantage. i brought up kawhi because he eats off the 2 as a result of other action. he's usually attacking the basket and if stopped, the free throw extended jumper is the release valve he is lethal at.

stylistically, if frank attacks and doesn't have the daylight, take that FT line jumper with confidence.

i would never suggest targeting the shot in an offensive scheme.

unless i was coaching a middle school team or something.

Actually, if defenses give Frank that shot and he develops confidence by hitting it then I'd green light him all day to take those 15 footers. If he starts making half of them then defenses will have to tighten up anyway and then he can take it to the rim instead or kick it.

Thanks to Spencer for all of those clips. I'm seeing flashes where his offensive mechanics are there. He really needs increased shot volume though. It is hard to do your drills to improve and then only get occasional opportunities to do it in a game. Part of that is not coaching though. Frank has to be more selfish at times.

[HarthorneWingo]

more of my frustration with the unilateral denouncing of the midrange. it's free candy when done right.

It's like, you can shoot midranges just fine if you're good at it

But you can't base your offense around it

It's just simple math. CP3's one of the GOAT mid range shooters at like low 50s percent. On average, a shot at the rim is like 63%, meaning if you have the choice, you should always choose the shot at the rim. If you shoot 38% from 3, that's the equivalent of about 57% from mid, so if CP3 is a 38% 3 point shooter, he should always take the 3 over the mid, cause over the course of a game or over the course of a season, on average it will balance itself out

Now obviously you will not always be able to get layups or 3s, so if you can make mids at a respectable rate, it's a fine enough shot. But that shouldn't be your go-to option. Or in the scenario of you're down 1 or even and you have the ball with the shot clock off, in that scenario it doesn't matter what the average shot is worth, it matters what your percentage is, so a 50% mid is worth way more than a 38% 3, so you should take the mid over the 3. But you should still try and get a layup, because that's by far the best shot in that scenario

It shouldn't be a hard and fast rule to not take mids, but you really shouldn't be looking to take them if you have other options

no arguments here. i completely understand the risk-reward profile that makes those shots an analytics nightmare. it should never be the first option. i'm saying the drive isn't always there and when it's what the defense gives you, it's good to be able to take advantage. i brought up kawhi because he eats off the 2 as a result of other action. he's usually attacking the basket and if stopped, the free throw extended jumper is the release valve he is lethal at.

stylistically, if frank attacks and doesn't have the daylight, take that FT line jumper with confidence.

i would never suggest targeting the shot in an offensive scheme.

unless i was coaching a middle school team or something.

The rule is to take what the defense gives you. Taking it to the rim against Rudy Gobert is different than taking it to the rim against Enes. So you make adjustments during the game. You only have 24 seconds minus the few it takes you to get it up the court and start the offense. After that, it's all about making split-second decisions off of PnR reads and back door plays.

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[DaGawd]

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[HarthorneWingo]

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[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Thanks to Spencer for all of those clips. I'm seeing flashes where his offensive mechanics are there. He really needs increased shot volume though. It is hard to do your drills to improve and then only get occasional opportunities to do it in a game. Part of that is not coaching though. Frank has to be more selfish at times.

It is the national team. Maybe because USA#1 - so it really doesn't matter how they play - you guys can't understand that the team comes before the individual. Just as of right now, Frank is growing (in terms of the perception of his teammates (Gobert/Fourier/deColo/Batum)).

[Clyde_Style]

Thanks to Spencer for all of those clips. I'm seeing flashes where his offensive mechanics are there. He really needs increased shot volume though. It is hard to do your drills to improve and then only get occasional opportunities to do it in a game. Part of that is not coaching though. Frank has to be more selfish at times.

It is the national team. Maybe because USA#1 - so it really doesn't matter how they play - you guys can't understand that the team comes before the individual. Just as of right now, Frank is growing (in terms of the perception of his teammates (Gobert/Fourier/deColo/Batum)).

Do you really want to address me like that considering I've been one of the prime advocates for patience with Frank from the very beginning?

[DOT]

Thanks to Spencer for all of those clips. I'm seeing flashes where his offensive mechanics are there. He really needs increased shot volume though. It is hard to do your drills to improve and then only get occasional opportunities to do it in a game. Part of that is not coaching though. Frank has to be more selfish at times.

It is the national team. Maybe because USA#1 - so it really doesn't matter how they play - you guys can't understand that the team comes before the individual. Just as of right now, Frank is growing (in terms of the perception of his teammates (Gobert/Fourier/deColo/Batum)).

Do you really want to address me like that considering I've been one of the prime advocates for patience with Frank from the very beginning?

Yeah, dude needs to chill

And that's coming from me

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