Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[dakomish23]

I'd take him over Randle

If only we had any thing to trade for him.

we do have plenty to trade: picks, but I wouldn't trade any 1sts for him

They’re going to get at least a 1st for him unless they get some good players back.

[DrCoach]

Per ESPN, league insiders expect the 76ers to explore trading Embiid if they don't make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs again.

Question: how would you guys feel about trading our boy Mitch plus a large portion of our draft assets for him? And could we even put together an attractive enough package to get him while still keeping RJ? (Obviously, doing so would then require that we trust in the new regime to attract and build the rest of the roster via free agency, which seems to be the main point in bringing Rose et al in here anyway.)

"There is no consensus, but league execs think that if the Sixers do explore a trade, Embiid is more likely to be moved -- health being the determining factor in building around Simmons. One exec added that a big trade featuring Simmons or Embiid might be the only way to reshape the team."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28737693/nine-chaotic-moments-shake-suddenly-stable-nba

Love Embiid but he’s injury prone

No thanks

[spree2kawhi]

Aaron Gordon last 7 games before ASB

19.6 PPG 8.3 RPG 4.7 APG 1.3 SPG 0.4 BPG
45% on 15.4 FGA/ 41% on 4.9 3PA/ 71% on 5.0 FTA

I'd take him over Randle

Yeah because of the shooting. But is he the answer?

[HarthorneWingo]

Per ESPN, league insiders expect the 76ers to explore trading Embiid if they don't make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs again.

Question: how would you guys feel about trading our boy Mitch plus a large portion of our draft assets for him? And could we even put together an attractive enough package to get him while still keeping RJ? (Obviously, doing so would then require that we trust in the new regime to attract and build the rest of the roster via free agency, which seems to be the main point in bringing Rose et al in here anyway.)

"There is no consensus, but league execs think that if the Sixers do explore a trade, Embiid is more likely to be moved -- health being the determining factor in building around Simmons. One exec added that a big trade featuring Simmons or Embiid might be the only way to reshape the team."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28737693/nine-chaotic-moments-shake-suddenly-stable-nba

Love Embiid but he’s injury prone

No thanks

I don't know why they don't use them in the 1/5 PnR at the top of the key more often. My buddy who is a season ticket holder either wants to fire Brown or trade Simmons or Embiid. Bunch of sissies.

[spree2kawhi]

Per ESPN, league insiders expect the 76ers to explore trading Embiid if they don't make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs again.

Question: how would you guys feel about trading our boy Mitch plus a large portion of our draft assets for him? And could we even put together an attractive enough package to get him while still keeping RJ? (Obviously, doing so would then require that we trust in the new regime to attract and build the rest of the roster via free agency, which seems to be the main point in bringing Rose et al in here anyway.)

"There is no consensus, but league execs think that if the Sixers do explore a trade, Embiid is more likely to be moved -- health being the determining factor in building around Simmons. One exec added that a big trade featuring Simmons or Embiid might be the only way to reshape the team."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28737693/nine-chaotic-moments-shake-suddenly-stable-nba

Love Embiid but he’s injury prone

No thanks

I don't know why they don't use them in the 1/5 PnR at the top of the key more often. My buddy who is a season ticket holder either wants to fire Brown or trade Simmons or Embiid. Bunch of sissies.

It's because Simmons can't shoot and defenses can go under and kinda double team Embiid on the roll. Simmons is really good at what he's good at, but he has flaws that just can't be ignored (yet they are). Plus, they're a bunch of sissies.

[Reign23]

Aaron Gordon last 7 games before ASB

19.6 PPG 8.3 RPG 4.7 APG 1.3 SPG 0.4 BPG
45% on 15.4 FGA/ 41% on 4.9 3PA/ 71% on 5.0 FTA

I'd take him over Randle

Yeah because of the shooting. But is he the answer?

I'm not a fan of gordon tbh.

but I'll take him over randle for many reasons. his shooting is actually not good either, but he defends well and his style of playing is day and night compared to randle.

[HarthorneWingo]

Love Embiid but he’s injury prone

No thanks

I don't know why they don't use them in the 1/5 PnR at the top of the key more often. My buddy who is a season ticket holder either wants to fire Brown or trade Simmons or Embiid. Bunch of sissies.

It's because Simmons can't shoot and defenses can go under and kinda double team Embiid on the roll. Simmons is really good at what he's good at, but he has flaws that just can't be ignored (yet they are). Plus, they're a bunch of sissies.

You’re right. I’ll tell my buddy. I think he wants them both gone. All that “processing” and the want to run these cats out of town. lol

[spree2kawhi]

I don't know why they don't use them in the 1/5 PnR at the top of the key more often. My buddy who is a season ticket holder either wants to fire Brown or trade Simmons or Embiid. Bunch of sissies.

It's because Simmons can't shoot and defenses can go under and kinda double team Embiid on the roll. Simmons is really good at what he's good at, but he has flaws that just can't be ignored (yet they are). Plus, they're a bunch of sissies.

You’re right. I’ll tell my buddy. I think he wants them both gone. All that “processing” and the want to run these cats out of town. lol

Character-wise they don't make the best impressions, do they?

[HarthorneWingo]

It's because Simmons can't shoot and defenses can go under and kinda double team Embiid on the roll. Simmons is really good at what he's good at, but he has flaws that just can't be ignored (yet they are). Plus, they're a bunch of sissies.

You’re right. I’ll tell my buddy. I think he wants them both gone. All that “processing” and the want to run these cats out of town. lol

Character-wise they don't make the best impressions, do they?

Tbh I really haven’t followed them know about that. I mean Embiid is a character but is he a cancer? The only thing I k ow about Simmons is that he dates a Kardashian, or did. I guess that qualifies.

[spree2kawhi]

You’re right. I’ll tell my buddy. I think he wants them both gone. All that “processing” and the want to run these cats out of town. lol

Character-wise they don't make the best impressions, do they?

Tbh I really haven’t followed them know about that. I mean Embiid is a character but is he a cancer? The only thing I k ow about Simmons is that he dates a Kardashian, or did. I guess that qualifies.

I just have my reservations about players that appear to be spoiled like these guys. You can build all you want, sometimes if these cats are more concerned with how they are perceived or who they hang out with the team will always be lacking. Embiid could have the potential to be a piece on a contender obviously, but today he declared himself best player in the world. I mean how about actually winning games and letting others declare that for you one day? Idiot.

Edit: Their MVP last year may in fact have been Redick...

[seren]

I don’t know how true that Embiid report is but it goes to show you the difficulty of building around a big man even if that big man is a very high end player. Contrast that to what the Knicks did past off-season and what we always try to do: Build around severely flawed bigs. A guaranteed recipe for failure.

[newyorker4ever]

Character-wise they don't make the best impressions, do they?

Tbh I really haven’t followed them know about that. I mean Embiid is a character but is he a cancer? The only thing I k ow about Simmons is that he dates a Kardashian, or did. I guess that qualifies.

I just have my reservations about players that appear to be spoiled like these guys. You can build all you want, sometimes if these cats are more concerned with how they are perceived or who they hang out with the team will always be lacking. Embiid could have the potential to be a piece on a contender obviously, but today he declared himself best player in the world. I mean how about actually winning games and letting others declare that for you one day? Idiot.

Edit: Their MVP last year may in fact have been Redick...

It seems to me like Embiid's biggest issue is playing well with others. I think if we got Embiid and added another star player that is even better than he is that he won't get along with that player cause Embiid wants to be the #1 guy on a team and think that's what's happened between him and B.Simmons. To win in this league you have to be able to do what's best for the team every night. If that means just going out and focusing on getting rebounds while the other star and players do most the scoring then you have to do that and do it with a smile on your face. He's too focused on himself and it's gonna be real hard to win anything significant with a player like that especially when in the playoffs and you're facing other teams that do play well as teams.

[Knicksfan1992]

I don’t know how true that Embiid report is but it goes to show you the difficulty of building around a big man even if that big man is a very high end player. Contrast that to what the Knicks did past off-season and what we always try to do: Build around severely flawed bigs. A guaranteed recipe for failure.

Embiid is not severely flawed. The problem is their other best player is a complete non shooter and their 3rd or 4th best player should be a center as well. Sixers marginalized both Ben and Embiid by putting them together and then adding Horford on top of that.

The only reason you should have pause trading for Embiid is if you're truly scared of his medicals. He's a top 5 player in the league when healthy don't get it twisted.

It's easy to build around Embiid. The Sixers fuqqed it up, but still have overwhelming talent. Goes to show good Embiid actually is TBH.

[moocow007]

Per ESPN, league insiders expect the 76ers to explore trading Embiid if they don't make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs again.

Question: how would you guys feel about trading our boy Mitch plus a large portion of our draft assets for him? And could we even put together an attractive enough package to get him while still keeping RJ? (Obviously, doing so would then require that we trust in the new regime to attract and build the rest of the roster via free agency, which seems to be the main point in bringing Rose et al in here anyway.)

"There is no consensus, but league execs think that if the Sixers do explore a trade, Embiid is more likely to be moved -- health being the determining factor in building around Simmons. One exec added that a big trade featuring Simmons or Embiid might be the only way to reshape the team."

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28737693/nine-chaotic-moments-shake-suddenly-stable-nba

That's a tough interesting question.

Embiid no doubt is one of the top 20 players in the NBA IMO. He's young. He's multi-faceted. He's a monster. But my question is how easy is it to build a team around him or with him as a no.1 or 1A? Also how does he work on making his team and his teammates better?

On Building a team around Embiid...

Maybe I'm misreading Embiid's skillset a bit but he strikes me as someone that clearly needs to ball to go through his hands on most every possession. Not an issue in and of itself right? However I'm just not seeing what type of players would work with him and more importantly be able to win with him. So he can shoot real well for a big, and he has post skills that extend out a bit into the realm of creating his own shot. But he's not a true shot creator. Someone that you can give the ball to and have him really break down defenses to either create an open shot for himself of dish to a teammate when defenses get pulled off of your drive.

I'm thinking maybe with a willing PG that is defensive centric, doesn't need to have the ball in his hands once the ball gets past midcourt but can still consistently be the ball handling up until you get it past midcourt? Someone that can shoot but not need to put up points? I'm not seeing many players that fit into that type of skill level or willing to check their ego at the door. Point guards are like QB's...I don't see many ultra talented PG's that would be ok with having the ball consistently go through someone else. Just doesn't work in today's NBA. Now maybe on a high scoring team where Embiid can get his touches AND the 'other alpha' can also get his but definitely not in a half court system do I see Embiid AND team together can function to that elite level.

Other players? I mean yeah, yeah, shooters, blah, blah and defenders. But that's NOT a real way of building a top team. If it were that easy everyone would do it. But you need guys that can pass when it needs to, shoot when it needs to, that is willing to be 'muscle' for Embiid but that also can do what Embiid does to some degree if and when Embiid is not on the court (for continuity sake).

Just throwing it out there...Embiid on the Warriors probably would be very interesting. Steph Curry and Draymond Green and that high scoring offense (when everyone is healthy of course) could be an excellent fit for Embiid. He'd have to give up some of his ball dominance but I think the fact that he'll get more touches and easier baskets will make that transition be ok.

I just can't see a team being able to win a title with Embiid doing what he's currently doing.

On Embiid the person...

Embiid comes off as a potential a-hole IMO. Definitely to other teams players. My question is how does his overall personality impact his own team and his own players? We've seen extremely talented players actually make their teams worse or, at the very least, make them not near as good as they should be (and no I'm not talking about unrealistic expectations where if the guy isn't Lebron James level he's worthless). Kyrie Irving is a great current example. Irving without a doubt is one of the 'best' players at his position in the NBA. But it's not hard to argue that his teams not only don't do as well as you think they should with him on it but that they are actually worse when he's on it and playing. Question is, is Joel Embiid that same type of player? Don't know.

This is really just as if not important than the fit. Some guys just can't make his teammates better beyond what they can put up on the scoreboard themselves. We've seen this with Steph Marbury and probably also with Carmelo Anthony. Not that they were terrible players but it is what it is. Yes, yes, Embiid plays more defense, blah, blah, but the point is still the same. Some players are just not 'leaders of men', guys that can elevate and (positively) challenge and motivate his teammates to give it their all and by into the whole program. I'm sensing Embiid as one of those potential players.

Would I trade Mitch Robinson and the 1st for Embiid? Perhaps. Goes into the whole "what is the plan" thing right? If the plan is to not build the 'traditional' way and you want to go for big fish signings then obviously having an all-star talent in his prime would help potentially attract the big fish free agents (although obviously the assumption is that Embiid is not just an unlikeable guy). But then again, if I'm a basketball executive I would/should know how a guy like Embiid is viewed among his peers especially IF my plan was to build through free agency and/or trades. If I don't know, I can ask and find out easy enough. So if the plan was to build through FA and/or trades then absolutely Embiid would be considered as an option just like guys like Beal or any in their prime all-star level talent. If the plan is to build a "team" that is in my image and that I can develop into a cohesive group with a singlular mindset? Probably not.

Thanks for the extremely thorough response to the question. I was originally leaning toward "yes" given Embiid's undeniable talent and age, and the fact that we are devoid of any top-level talent at present. But after reading your thoughts on the difficulties around his potential fit and personality, I'm not so sure.

Sure thing. And almost right on queue with my concerns about his personality and how it may contribute negatively towards the whole team concept...Embiid "declared" himself the best player in the world. The last time someone said that, that I recall, he was wearing a Knicks uniform and I believe he only said that he was the "best player in the world" for his position. Talking about Stephon Marbury of course. And as all Knick fans know, neither the comment nor the player that made it...no matter how talented he was...turned out to help win games.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure most of the elite players believe that they are the best player, but you dont' come out and say it. Those that do tend to show me that their perception of what's right and wrong, what's most important, maturity, etc. may be not on part with their talent. Truly elite players have both on or neat the same level if you really think about it. That is what separates them from guys that are really talented but... To bank on that player to lead you to something? Yeah, that's probably tough. You can still win with such a player but I think it makes it so much harder and put so much more pressure on the front office to be able to build a team around said player and still win it.

Being an extremely talented player is different than being a great player. What separates the two is usually the players ability to elevate his above and beyond what his numbers show up on the boxscore. Basically, can a team with that player at it's center be better than the sum of it's parts and how much of that 'better' is because of that player.

[Clyde_Style]

Embiid is delusional

I am the best player in the world

[moocow007]

Embiid is delusional

I am the best player in the world

Not sure about the best but you're probably the coolest player in the world. Definitely the cutest. Oh you're talking about Embiid?

[Clyde_Style]

Embiid is delusional

I am the best player in the world

Not sure about the best but you're probably the coolest player in the world. Definitely the cutest. Oh you're talking about Embiid?

Thank you

My pet gimp agrees with you

[Knicksfan1992]

Ok so like I've mentioned before I live in Philly and am friends with a lot of knowledgeable Sixers fans so I have some perspective on this whole Embiid thing... A few key points I'd like to bring up.

- The media has been creating this Joel and Ben divide ever since they both started playing together because they've had large periods of play where they haven't played together and the team "looks better" when it's just 1 of them. But in reality, by the numbers, the sixers have almost always been better when those 2 share the court than when they haven't. From what I know they aren't the best of friends off the court but they have a good working relationship on it. The Philly media is just as if not more toxic than the NY media and loves to stir up drama and there are a few specific guys who do it. Spike Eskin is like the Isola/Bondy of Philly for example...

-Almost any knowledgeable Sixers fan DOES NOT want to trade Embiid or Ben. This should tell you all you need to know about whether the Knicks should trade for them or not aka WE SHOULD if the price is right. The only reason not to trade for Embiid would be medical red flags. Most fans however will concede that they are probably better off without each other, stylistically, but as of now the Sixers are better with both of them and they don't think they would get equal return for either one. I think, for most people, who pay attention to the Sixers, the ire is more towards Al and Tobias who have not fit in well around Ben and Embiid, but I don't think there is a robust market for those 2 which is why the rumors of Embiid and Ben being traded are out there.

-Ben is sort of like the "Frank" of the Sixers fanbase but with a much higher baseline of play. There are people who love him because he's a ferocious defender, great passer and by all accounts a good teammate. There are also people who are tepid because of the non-shooting thing and focus on that more than the stuff that he really excels at. What's funny is I think Frank and Ben would be a really good weird combo for each other if Frank becomes more consistent as a shooter.

-When it comes to big games most Sixers fans trust Embiid more than Ben, the problem is he was absolutely exhausted during the playoffs last year. Still in game 7 of the Raptors series the Sixers were a massive positive when he was on the floor and collapsed when he wasn't. He's been trying to not completely tire himself out this regular season to be ready for a potential playoff run. Problem is the Sixers haven't performed to expectation and now a minority of fans are unhappy with his consistency of his regular season effort but it should be noted that the Sixers have been plagued with injuries and that probably has more to do with their terrible road record more than anything. Also, some knowledgeable fans/reporters have pointed out that Embiid is still favoring his non - injured hand and that he's not 100% back yet which is effecting his offensive play.

[Besart19]

Randle, two Mavs picks, another pick swap or protected Knicks pick, plus Smith Jr, Dotson and two seconds for Devin Booker

Ball / Ntilikina
Booker / Bullock or Brooks
Barrett / LAC pick
Gallinari / Carmelo (2021 pick)
Davis / Robinson

you going to steal booker from the suns without giving them the 2020 pick, Rj or Mitch? damn.

Not me, Leon... of the Roses

[HerSports85]

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