Moar COVID 19 talk.

[Clyde_Style]

Day 2 of my July 4th hangover. Was worried I had covid, because I've been light-headed and dizzy today, but a friend said, nah, your drinking days are behind you so you can't handle your liquor any more. I hope they're right.

[Clyde_Style]

Bottom line: If President Clinton hadn't had the election stolen from her, she'd have coordinated a full response modeled from the Obama administration's Ebola game plan, gotten PPE out to every hospital in record time and would have established a national network of testing stations with the full weight of the federal government backing it. We'd have had leadership guiding the nation and filling the heads of the knuckle draggers with science and gotten out the message that masks save lives. And we'd be a country that would be a model for others...

And half the country would be calling for her head for it.

You're so right. Without the eggregious chit show of Trump to compare Hillary to they'd think they were being held hostage by the ghost of Imelda Marcos' bikini wax strip. But you and I would hop into our time troll machine and bring back pictures of Trump's tweets for proof.

[HarthorneWingo]

Douche bag Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for COVID He was ordered to wear a mask in public by a judge and refused. We should only be so lucky with our DB president.

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[robillionaire]

Day 2 of my July 4th hangover. Was worried I had covid, because I've been light-headed and dizzy today, but a friend said, nah, your drinking days are behind you so you can't handle your liquor any more. I hope they're right.

when I had it I had a lot of aches and pains and of course the mild fever so maybe look out for that

[robillionaire]

Douche bag Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for COVID He was ordered to wear a mask in public by a judge and refused. We should only be so lucky with our DB president.

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i feel like even if he got it they'd never tell us about it

[King of Canada]

Douche bag Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for COVID He was ordered to wear a mask in public by a judge and refused. We should only be so lucky with our DB president.

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i feel like even if he got it they'd never tell us about it

He wouldn't be able to help himself if he survived it. He'd have to tell everybody how he has the strongest immune system on the planet, and that covid was no match for him.

[Clyde_Style]

Day 2 of my July 4th hangover. Was worried I had covid, because I've been light-headed and dizzy today, but a friend said, nah, your drinking days are behind you so you can't handle your liquor any more. I hope they're right.

when I had it I had a lot of aches and pains and of course the mild fever so maybe look out for that

Thanks. I was concerned, because I was a little dizzy as if I was lacking oxygen and I felt slightly achy. I don't feel anything today so it was maybe just the alcohol catching up to me

I also took double doses of everything supplemental that I have that can combat viral infections yesterday. So even if I did get it I may have suppressed any symptoms for the time being. I suppose I'll know more definitively in a week or so

[Clyde_Style]

Douche bag Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for COVID He was ordered to wear a mask in public by a judge and refused. We should only be so lucky with our DB president.

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i feel like even if he got it they'd never tell us about it

Trump will get it. Everyone around him has been hanging out with the infected.

Karmic justice would be him going into the ICU on November 2nd.

He can't die though. I need to see him in a orange jumpsuit.

[Synciere]

Do players who've tested positive but otherwise would've played still get paid? It was earlier reported that those who 'opt out' forego pay, but I never heard anything about players who test positive.

[Clyde_Style]

MAGA bird brains in Florida today while the hospitals are already going to code red

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[HarthorneWingo]

Douche bag Brazil President Jair Bolsonaro has tested positive for COVID He was ordered to wear a mask in public by a judge and refused. We should only be so lucky with our DB president.

Watch on YouTube

i feel like even if he got it they'd never tell us about it

He wouldn't be able to help himself if he survived it. He'd have to tell everybody how he has the strongest immune system on the planet, and that covid was no match for him.

At least we get to watch him take down the entire republican party. I believe that his ineptitude costs us at least 50,000 lives.

[j4remi]

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This is concerning as all hell.

[HarthorneWingo]

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This is concerning as all hell.

Trump can't force state Governors what to do on schools. Trump is a lame duck who is about to take down the entire Republican party. I think any executive order promoting genocide would be overturned by a veto-proof majority. He's toast. To me, the problem are these Karens and Kens who are ignorant and disrespectful of the rest of us. There's 40% of them. Ugh

[thebuzzardman]

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This is concerning as all hell.

Trump can't force state Governors what to do on schools. Trump is a lame duck who is about to take down the entire Republican party. I think any executive order promoting genocide would be overturned by a veto-proof majority. He's toast. To me, the problem are these Karens and Kens who are ignorant and disrespectful of the rest of us. There's 40% of them. Ugh

He can withhold Federal money.

That's usually the cudgel to get states to "cooperate" on policy.

Obviously, they don't have to listen, and may not, in this case, listen.

[robillionaire]

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This is concerning as all hell.

Trump can't force state Governors what to do on schools. Trump is a lame duck who is about to take down the entire Republican party. I think any executive order promoting genocide would be overturned by a veto-proof majority. He's toast. To me, the problem are these Karens and Kens who are ignorant and disrespectful of the rest of us. There's 40% of them. Ugh

They forced the CDC to put out different guidelines

[thebuzzardman]

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This is concerning as all hell.

It's so horribly transparent

Trump has even said it outloud. He wants the kids to go to school so more parents are free to work without as many child care concerns. And there's a certain small piece of "normal government logic" in there.

But for Trump, he wants to barge ahead with kids back to school everywhere, regardless of whether it's a good idea, regardless of STATE or MORE LOCAL conditions, because he sees kids back to school as making it easier for people to work, which in turn he sees improving the economy, which he figures will get him re-elected.

Obviously, not surprisingly, another Covid decision based on Trump's personal re-election calculus.

The guy is such a complete f*cking moron combined with weird narcissitic egotism and some odd melange/understanding of right wing politics.

Because let's assume that wielding power and dumping on Obama's legacy matter most to him. And he wields power via sh*tting on government norms and harping on the "Deep State"

So, imagine this clown, if he had any brains, could have come up with a Covid bailout to issue a $50,000 check to every swinging d*ck in the USA. Oh, and vag, of course. It would have still been cheaper than the the current bailout, yet with money left over for loans to businesses etc.
He could have trumpeted how he got this done over the dithering bureaucrats. I mean, obviously congress has to be involved but imagine he used the big populist stick this way?
It would have crapped on the 2008 bailout under the "Obama administration". Yes, I know Obama was hamstrung by a republican congress etc. Doesn't matter. I'm talking about what might potentially have appealed to Trump's id.

I'm personally glad he's such an idiot, because there was an actual real and strong way for Trump to demagogue his way to re-election and he completely blew it.

[j4remi]

It's so horribly transparent

Trump has even said it outloud. He wants the kids to go to school so more parents are free to work without as many child care concerns. And there's a certain small piece of "normal government logic" in there.

But for Trump, he wants to barge ahead with kids back to school everywhere, regardless of whether it's a good idea, regardless of STATE or MORE LOCAL conditions, because he sees kids back to school as making it easier for people to work, which in turn he sees improving the economy, which he figures will get him re-elected.

Obviously, not surprisingly, another Covid decision based on Trump's personal re-election calculus.

The guy is such a complete f*cking moron combined with weird narcissitic egotism and some odd melange/understanding of right wing politics.

Because let's assume that wielding power and dumping on Obama's legacy matter most to him. And he wields power via sh*tting on government norms and harping on the "Deep State"

So, imagine this clown, if he had any brains, could have come up with a Covid bailout to issue a $50,000 check to every swinging d*ck in the USA. Oh, and vag, of course. It would have still been cheaper than the the current bailout, yet with money left over for loans to businesses etc.
He could have trumpeted how he got this done over the dithering bureaucrats. I mean, obviously congress has to be involved but imagine he used the big populist stick this way?
It would have crapped on the 2008 bailout under the "Obama administration". Yes, I know Obama was hamstrung by a republican congress etc. Doesn't matter. I'm talking about what might potentially have appealed to Trump's id.

I'm personally glad he's such an idiot, because there was an actual real and strong way for Trump to demagogue his way to re-election and he completely blew it.

Trump's principles all rest in pocketing money and giving it to his friends. It's not a far cry from what the rest of the Republican party would have done, just less subtle. His incompetence has basically laid the GOP's values bare as they've allowed him to do some awful things. This would just be another feather in his cap and it doesn't shock me that they're trying this after the ICE detention centers and how children were treated (were might be the wrong word here, are is probably better).

It's definitely valuable that he's a fool with a bunch of yes-men and cronies around rather than much intelligence or talent. I was listening to a review of Supreme Court decisions last week and the prevailing wisdom was that the cases from both Trump's admin and GOP lawyers have been put together in such a frivolous manner that Justice Roberts couldn't go along with them even though he wanted to (thus you can see backdoors open to try again with a better approach in the dissents). Basically the lawyers were expecting anything to work and Roberts had to be like "give us something that's not so obvious."

[j4remi]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-antibodies.html?referringSource=articleShare

Wild display of how income inequality ties in to the initial wave and honestly I think it plays a role in why the response was so lackluster but I'm just being cynical and speculating there.

At a clinic in Corona, a working-class neighborhood in Queens, more than 68 percent of people tested positive for antibodies to the new coronavirus. At another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens, that number was 56 percent. But at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn, only 13 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.

As it has swept through New York, the coronavirus has exposed stark inequalities in nearly every aspect of city life, from who has been most affected to how the health care system cared for those patients. Many lower-income neighborhoods, where Black and Latino residents make up a large part of the population, were hard hit, while many wealthy neighborhoods suffered much less.

But now, as the city braces for a possible second wave of the virus, some of those vulnerabilities may flip, with the affluent neighborhoods becoming most at risk of a surge. According to antibody test results from CityMD that were shared with The New York Times, some neighborhoods were so exposed to the virus during the peak of the epidemic in March and April that they might have some protection during a second wave.

“Some communities might have herd immunity,” said Dr. Daniel Frogel, a senior vice president for operations at CityMD, which plays a key role in the city’s testing program.

The CityMD statistics — which Dr. Frogel provided during an interview and which reflect tests done between late April and late June — appear to present the starkest picture yet of how infection rates have diverged across neighborhoods in the city.

As of June 26, CityMD had administered about 314,000 antibody tests in New York City. Citywide, 26 percent of the tests came back positive.

But Dr. Frogel said the testing results in Jackson Heights and Corona seemed to “jump off the map.”

While stopping short of predicting that those neighborhoods would be protected against a major new outbreak of the virus — a phenomenon known as herd immunity — several epidemiologists said that the different levels of antibody prevalence across the city are likely to play a role in what happens next, assuming that antibodies do in fact offer significant protection against future infection.

“In the future, the infection rate should really be lower in minority communities,” said Kitaw Demissie, an epidemiologist and the dean of the School of Public Health at SUNY Downstate Medical Center in Brooklyn.

Dr. Ted Long, the executive director of the city’s contact-tracing program, said that while much remained unknown about the strength and duration of the protection that antibodies offer, he was hopeful that hard-hit communities like Corona would have some degree of protection because of their high rate of positive tests. “We hope that that will confer greater herd immunity,” he said.

Neighborhoods that had relatively low infection rates — and where few residents have antibodies — are especially vulnerable going forward. There could be some degree of “catch up” among neighborhoods, said Prof. Denis Nash, an epidemiology professor at the CUNY School of Public Health.

But he added that even if infection rate were to climb in wealthier neighborhoods, “there are advantages to being in the neighborhoods that are hit later.” For one, doctors have become somewhat more adept at treating severe cases.

Some epidemiologists and virologists cautioned that not enough data exists to conclude that any areas have herd immunity. For starters, the fact that 68.4 percent of tests taken at an urgent care center in Corona came back positive does not mean that 68.4 percent of residents had been infected.

“For sure, the persons who are seeking antibody testing probably have a higher likelihood of being positive than the general population,” said Professor Nash. “If you went out in Corona and tested a representative sample, it wouldn’t be 68 percent.”

So far, the federal government has released relatively little data from antibody testing — making the CityMD data all the more striking. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, for instance, has published limited data that suggested that 6.93 percent of residents in New York City and part of Long Island had antibodies. But that survey was based on samples collected mainly in March, before many infected New Yorkers might have developed antibodies.

New York State conducted a more comprehensive survey on antibody rates, which involved testing some 28,419 people across the state. That survey suggested that roughly 21.6 percent of New York City residents had antibodies. But it also revealed a much higher rate in some neighborhoods. While the state has released little data from Queens, its numbers showed that in Flatbush, Brooklyn, for example, about 45 percent of those tested had antibodies.

The CityMD data provides similar conclusions. At a location in Bushwick, a Brooklyn neighborhood which has a large Hispanic population and where the median household income is below the citywide average, some 35 percent of antibody tests were positive, according to Dr. Frogel.

Dr. Frogel said that across the Bronx, which has had the city’s highest death rate from Covid-19, about 37 percent of antibody tests were turning up positive.

The CityMD in Corona, on Junction Boulevard, serves a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood whose residents include many construction workers and restaurant employees. Many had to work throughout the pandemic, raising their risk of infection.

Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University, called the high positive rate in Corona “a stunning finding.” Epidemiologists said the rate showed the limits of New York’s strategy in curtailing the virus: While public health measures may have slowed the spread in some neighborhoods, they did far less for others.

There are reasons parts of Queens were hit so hard. Homes in Elmhurst and parts of Corona are especially crowded — the highest rate of household crowding in the city, according to census bureau data from 2014. Given that transmission among family members is a leading driver of the disease’s spread, it is unsurprising that crowded households have been associated with higher risk of infection.

For residents of Corona, the main sources of employment are jobs in hospitality, including restaurants, as well as construction and manufacturing, according to a 2019 report by the Citizens’ Committee for Children of New York. Many construction workers and restaurant employees showed up to work throughout the pandemic, elevating their risk of infection.

“Our plan did not really accommodate essential workers as it did people privileged enough — for lack of a better word — to socially distance themselves,” Professor Nash said. He said that one lesson of the past few months was that the city needed to better protect essential workers — everyone from grocery store employees to pharmacy cashiers — and make sure they had sufficient protective equipment.

Epidemiologists have estimated that at least 60 percent of a population — and perhaps as much as 80 percent — would need immunity before “herd immunity” is reached, and the virus can no longer spread widely in that community.

But scientists say it would be a mistake to base public health decisions off antibody rates across a population.

“Just looking at seroprevalence alone can’t really be used to make actionable public health decisions,” Dr. Rasmussen, the virologist at Columbia, said.

One reason is that the accuracy of the antibody tests is not fully known, nor is the extent of immunity conferred by antibodies or how long that immunity lasts. Dr. Rasmussen noted that the “magical number of 60 percent for herd immunity” assumes that everyone infected has complete protection from a second infection. “But what about people with partial protection?” she asked. “They may not get sick, but they can get infected and pass it along.”

“It is premature to discuss herd immunity, since we are still learning what the presence of Covid-19 antibodies means to an individual and whether, or for how long, that conveys immunity; and we don’t know how the level of immunity in a single community translates into herd immunity,” said Jonah Bruno, a spokesman for the state Department of Health.

He said he was unsurprised by the high rate in Corona, and senior officials with the city’s contact-tracing program and public hospital system agree. “We know this area was disproportionately affected,” said Dr. Andrew Wallach, a senior official in the city’s public hospital system, “so this just confirms what we’ve seen clinically.”

[Clyde_Style]

Daily death count in Florida more than doubled in last 24 hours from 49 to 119

This is just the beginning in the surge in deaths as the infection explosion matures.

Keep in mind Florida GOP has tried to rig the numbers, but the explosion overwhelmed any such obstructionism.

I assume past data is highly under-reported and it may still be under-reported. If so, think about that for a second. Florida and Texas are duelling in setting daily records for new cases. Even a 10% under-reporting means not divulging thousands of cases and dozens of deaths daily.

And Florida was at one point doing its best to NOT report deaths outside of hospital settings.

Well, that's scary, because I've studied the granular data several times and statistical probabilities are half to two-thirds of the deaths in Florida have been happening in assisted living facilities.

So if they are still under-reporting deaths, that could mean hundreds more of elderly that are home-bound or in facilities are now dying DAILY and we simply don't know the truth.

With the surge the less vulnerable part of the population is now getting sick, so pretty soon every MAGA denialist will know somebody who is ill or dying.

Florida is definitely going to chase New York's numbers now. The death toll here could be quite high.

[Fat Kat]

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