OT: Cops kill George Floyd

[Zenzibar]

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this is good too. They at the minimum should be charged with negligible criminal homicide. If they weren't willing to step in and tell the dude GTF off him you are killing him he can't breathe...then don't be a cop.

So what happened to the evidence that would preclude a criminal charge that the DA was talking about yesterday?

sounds like it was just BS so they could get all there sh*t together. I think a lot has to do with dealing with the police union and the strength of it. That is something that systematically has to change as well.

As long as he is convicted and sentenced to many many years...that is at least a first step.

I also think the other cops need to get some kind of charges on them...but that might take a bit longer than the clear and cut murder of George Floyd.

Agreed. From the Medical Examiners Office:

"An autopsy said there is no physical findings that support death by traumatic asphyxia or strangulation, but says "the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

[RHODEY]

I'm sorry did I miss the systematic murder of Australian white women by the hands of cops in the past century?

To be fair that should have no impact on the charges regardless how much we want to take this officer out back and shoot him.

No in fact it's what the DA probably looked at that would get him arrested the quickest. However in this case I think when the facts come out they'll find out this cop had a beef with George Floyd. There's something beyond him hating black people, this was personal as well at some level. Which might get them 2nd or 1st. You don't kneel on a dead mans neck for a minute without some personal malice.

His "personal" beef was black man who breathed oxygen.

[HarthorneWingo]

Here's the law on "premeditation" from the Supreme Court of Minnesota in State v. Wetland, 535 N.W.2d 328 (1995):

"Premeditation" is defined in Minn.Stat. § 609.18 (1994) as meaning "to consider, plan or prepare for, or determine to commit, the act referred to prior to its commission." In order to prove premeditation, "the state must always prove that, after the defendant formed the intent to kill, some appreciable time passed during which the consideration, planning, preparation or determination required by Minn.Stat. § 609.18 prior to the commission of the act took place." State v. Moore, 481 N.W.2d 355, 361 (Minn.1992) (emphasis added). That an exact time period cannot be ascertained is not dispositive of the issue of premeditation. On the contrary, "we have long recognized that premeditation requires no specific period of time for deliberation * * *." Id. See also State v. Flores, 418 N.W.2d 150, 155 (Minn.1988); State v. Rainer, 411 N.W.2d 490, 496 (Minn.1987); State v. Andrews, 388 N.W.2d 723, 728 (Minn.1986).

[RHODEY]

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[Fury]

No you missed it because you didn't care that a cop shot her because she was white. Which is your prerogative and right, I think it's more about poorly trained, overworked, cops with terrible mental health.

Did I? You brought it up in a thread about George Floyd and the protests taking place. I never said I didn’t care about her. You are putting words into my mouth and making a strawman argument. Stop that ****.

Whatever you think doesn’t add up because in proportion to the demographics of the country, black people get killed by cops a lot more than white people.

Police have been killing people since the dawn of law. You can spin the statistics to fit whatever narrative you want, but murder is murder. One murder was a peaceful vigil, the other turns into a completely destructive mob riot which ultimately is destroying the largely non-white parts of the city.

I’m going to tell you to read above. One murder is an isolated incident compared to the history of cops killing black people. Again, compare the history of the demographics getting killed and then you’ll see why people are mad.

The giant building being burned down in the news photos was a affordable housing building for people in transition. 100 units opening in a few months. All those people ****, burned to the ground. These **** rioters are destroying the main areas for minority business owners and resources.

I wish you were this angry about the cop who killed the dude. A man killed for no reason.

The systemic part of this **** is self immolation. All while 10 black kids got killed in Chicago over the weekend and nearly 50 people got shot by no cops. It's a red herring to get the outrage mob up in arms that masks the bigger tragedies and it's gross

Here we go with the ol Chicago ****. The classic pivot in the white supremacist playbook. I guess we should just ignore history and context in Chicago and how poverty works in the world. But because black kids are violent in Chicago, that means people should not to be mad about a person in a position of authority killing another person for no reason? When it happens throughout history consistently?

[Pointgod]

Same exact charges brought against the black Minneapolis cop who murdered the unarmed barefooted white woman 2 years ago. You know the shooting where the mob didn't burn the entire city? You know the one that took 8 months to bring charges to? That the media didn't care about? That nobody cared about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

This whole cycle is disgusting, the racism is disgusting, leveraging this whole thing for political gain or loss is disgusting. At the bottom of the ashes are dead people, and thousands of ruined lives and business that had nothing to do with what the cop did. It's just disgusting. The story about the dude who sunk his life savings into a sports bar, about to employ a dozen people, surviving COVID, his whole place burned, looted, safe stolen was heartbreaking.

I'm sorry did I miss the systematic murder of Australian white women by the hands of cops in the past century?

No you missed it because you didn't care that a cop shot her because she was white. Which is your prerogative and right, I think it's more about poorly trained, overworked, cops with terrible mental health.

Police have been killing people since the dawn of law. You can spin the statistics to fit whatever narrative you want, but murder is murder. One murder was a peaceful vigil, the other turns into a completely destructive mob riot which ultimately is destroying the largely non-white parts of the city.

The giant building being burned down in the news photos was a affordable housing building for people in transition. 100 units opening in a few months. All those people ****, burned to the ground. These **** rioters are destroying the main areas for minority business owners and resources.



The systemic part of this **** is self immolation. All while 10 black kids got killed in Chicago over the weekend and nearly 50 people got shot by no cops. It's a red herring to get the outrage mob up in arms that masks the bigger tragedies and it's gross.

I followed coverage of the Justine Diamond case. It was Black Lives Matter and other black organizations protesting her death. You trying to paint a picture that there wasn’t any outrage is a lie.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/22/black-activists-minneapolis-race-reacted-justine-damond-shooting

Alllivesmatter and the **** in the right wing were no where to be found.

However it’s no coincidence that the only conviction of an officer related killing in Minneapolis is a black officer that murdered a white woman. And of course the cop that murdered Justine Diamond was treated completely differently from other killer cops by the media and his fellow officers.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/mohamed-noor-is-proof-that-blue-lives-are-a-falsehood

Usually among those who support police, "blue lives" matter above all — but in this case, when a black cop kills a white woman, his status as an officer matters little. Michele Bachmann, a former member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Minnesota (who also briefly campaigned for president in 2012) even said, “He violated police policy and training. Noor refuses to cooperate with investigators. He refuses to give a statement. Firing him isn’t enough, the question is whether a grand jury will be impaneled. Manslaughter charges should be considered.” Bachmann, like many other pro-police white Americans, has consistently remained silent about black Americans killed by officers, only to now impugn this one particular cop. Mohamed Noor isn't being treated as one of the blue: he's being treated as a black, Muslim, Somali-American immigrant, and is therefore being saddled with oppressive prejudices that come along with such an identity in the U.S.

Yeah so you’re right the Justine Diamond case exposed racism and hypocrisy, just not the one you were expecting.

[Pointgod]

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Your country is a **** **** show and going down the toilet.

[nedleeds]

Here we go with the ol Chicago ****. The classic pivot in the white supremacist playbook. I guess we should just ignore history and context in Chicago and how poverty works in the world. But because black kids are violent in Chicago, that means people should not to be mad about a person in a position of authority killing another person for no reason? When it happens throughout history consistently?

How is the burn your own neighborhood playbook working out? If there was this level of outrage every Monday morning over the 10 dead in Chicago instead of when 1 guy dies every year there would be real change. But there isn't, there's no appetite in the media for it since it's not sensational. There's no appetite for it in the local governments because they're all scared of blame. There's no appetite for it by the "black leadership" demagogues because it's black people killing black people. This is what 50% of the country thinks, why do "they" only care when it's a cop or a white guy. Real change will come when 50% of the country cares about the 10 dead, until then it's just exhibition.

[nedleeds]

To be fair that should have no impact on the charges regardless how much we want to take this officer out back and shoot him.

No in fact it's what the DA probably looked at that would get him arrested the quickest. However in this case I think when the facts come out they'll find out this cop had a beef with George Floyd. There's something beyond him hating black people, this was personal as well at some level. Which might get them 2nd or 1st. You don't kneel on a dead mans neck for a minute without some personal malice.

His "personal" beef was black man who breathed oxygen.

I agree with you. I'm saying to get the arrest warrant out fast they went with a lesser charge which even in a plea they'll get him on. I think after evidence is gathered they'll find out this cop knew this guy, had some premeditated intent and at trial get him on murder 1 or 2. But the burden of proof for 3 and manslaughter was easy to meet to get him in cuffs.

Edit: https://kstp.com/news/george-floyd-fired-officer-overlapped-security-shifts-at-south-minneapolis-club-may-28-2020/5743990/

[Blockwatcher]

To be fair that should have no impact on the charges regardless how much we want to take this officer out back and shoot him.

No in fact it's what the DA probably looked at that would get him arrested the quickest. However in this case I think when the facts come out they'll find out this cop had a beef with George Floyd. There's something beyond him hating black people, this was personal as well at some level. Which might get them 2nd or 1st. You don't kneel on a dead mans neck for a minute without some personal malice.

His "personal" beef was black man who breathed oxygen.

There is evidence that these 2 have a history. They worked together as bouncers for years.

[Fat Kat]

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[Pointgod]

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That’s wild. It’s like they see the black skin and can’t help themselves. Pretty disturbing and gross.

[HarthorneWingo]

D.C. is crazy. Protesters are in front of White House

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[RHODEY]

Was this also personal?

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Your country is a **** **** show and going down the toilet.

Pretty much the whole world is anti black.

[RHODEY]

No in fact it's what the DA probably looked at that would get him arrested the quickest. However in this case I think when the facts come out they'll find out this cop had a beef with George Floyd. There's something beyond him hating black people, this was personal as well at some level. Which might get them 2nd or 1st. You don't kneel on a dead mans neck for a minute without some personal malice.

His "personal" beef was black man who breathed oxygen.

I agree with you. I'm saying to get the arrest warrant out fast they went with a lesser charge which even in a plea they'll get him on. I think after evidence is gathered they'll find out this cop knew this guy, had some premeditated intent and at trial get him on murder 1 or 2. But the burden of proof for 3 and manslaughter was easy to meet to get him in cuffs.

Edit: https://kstp.com/news/george-floyd-fired-officer-overlapped-security-shifts-at-south-minneapolis-club-may-28-2020/5743990/

Maybe are maybe he just wanted to killer a ****.

[Fury]

Here we go with the ol Chicago ****. The classic pivot in the white supremacist playbook. I guess we should just ignore history and context in Chicago and how poverty works in the world. But because black kids are violent in Chicago, that means people should not to be mad about a person in a position of authority killing another person for no reason? When it happens throughout history consistently?

How is the burn your own neighborhood playbook working out? If there was this level of outrage every Monday morning over the 10 dead in Chicago instead of when 1 guy dies every year there would be real change. But there isn't, there's no appetite in the media for it since it's not sensational. There's no appetite for it in the local governments because they're all scared of blame. There's no appetite for it by the "black leadership" demagogues because it's black people killing black people. This is what 50% of the country thinks, why do "they" only care when it's a cop or a white guy. Real change will come when 50% of the country cares about the 10 dead, until then it's just exhibition.

So what’s the systemic issue people need to be upset about with what’s going on with Chicago? What authority do they need to protest against?

[Phish Tank]

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interesting conversation, especially after listening to Marc Lamont Hill's conversation about rioting here:

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I'd be curious to know how he feels in Atlanta, where obviously the business situation is a lot different than Minneapolis in terms of black-owned businesses.

I think both Mayor Bottoms & Marc Lamont Hill got a point to make

[HarthorneWingo]

I’m watching CNN and I have to say that reporter Sarah Sidman is doing a stellar job out on the streets.

[KnicksGadfly]

No you missed it because you didn't care that a cop shot her because she was white. Which is your prerogative and right, I think it's more about poorly trained, overworked, cops with terrible mental health.

Did I? You brought it up in a thread about George Floyd and the protests taking place. I never said I didn’t care about her. You are putting words into my mouth and making a strawman argument. Stop that ****.

Whatever you think doesn’t add up because in proportion to the demographics of the country, black people get killed by cops a lot more than white people.

Police have been killing people since the dawn of law. You can spin the statistics to fit whatever narrative you want, but murder is murder. One murder was a peaceful vigil, the other turns into a completely destructive mob riot which ultimately is destroying the largely non-white parts of the city.

I’m going to tell you to read above. One murder is an isolated incident compared to the history of cops killing black people. Again, compare the history of the demographics getting killed and then you’ll see why people are mad.

The giant building being burned down in the news photos was a affordable housing building for people in transition. 100 units opening in a few months. All those people ****, burned to the ground. These **** rioters are destroying the main areas for minority business owners and resources.

I wish you were this angry about the cop who killed the dude. A man killed for no reason.

The systemic part of this **** is self immolation. All while 10 black kids got killed in Chicago over the weekend and nearly 50 people got shot by no cops. It's a red herring to get the outrage mob up in arms that masks the bigger tragedies and it's gross

Here we go with the ol Chicago ****. The classic pivot in the white supremacist playbook. I guess we should just ignore history and context in Chicago and how poverty works in the world. But because black kids are violent in Chicago, that means people should not to be mad about a person in a position of authority killing another person for no reason? When it happens throughout history consistently?

I'd ignore him and move on. I respect nedleeds, because he's actually open about his racism.

"I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice"