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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#221 » by GONYK » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:59 pm

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John Kasich is no friend to Democrats. Why do you celebrate having us represented by these creeps?


what's the over under on george bush or perhaps jeb speaking at the dem convention :lol:


Jeb has low value IMO, but if they can do a line-up of former presidents they should if they can get Bush to do it. Carter is probably too old, but Bush, Clinton and Obama would be a solid trifecta.


I don't know if we want to be associating with the Clintons this time around
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#222 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:09 pm

GONYK wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
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what's the over under on george bush or perhaps jeb speaking at the dem convention :lol:


Jeb has low value IMO, but if they can do a line-up of former presidents they should if they can get Bush to do it. Carter is probably too old, but Bush, Clinton and Obama would be a solid trifecta.


I don't know if we want to be associating with the Clintons this time around


True. Obama and Bush it is
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#223 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:32 pm

Kaisish (sp) is there to help sway conservative democrats in Ohio, a crucial swing state.

Gee, it's almost like the democrats are trying to win this thing.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#224 » by Pointgod » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:11 pm

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Read on Twitter
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Looks like the Never Trump movement will be represented at the DNC


I’m not a fan of this. Never Trump Republicans aren’t going to move the needle much at this point. This is the DNC convention and the opportunity should be focused on amplifying voices from the segments where Biden is trailing behind (more Progressive youth and Hispanic voices). Right now it’s about turning out the Democratic vote not turning Trump cultists
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#225 » by GONYK » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:14 pm

Pointgod wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Looks like the Never Trump movement will be represented at the DNC


I’m not a fan of this. Never Trump Republicans aren’t going to move the needle much at this point. This is the DNC convention and the opportunity should be focused on amplifying voices from the segments where Biden is trailing behind (more Progressive youth and Hispanic voices).


I don't see these as mutually exclusive propositions
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#226 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:22 pm

GONYK wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Looks like the Never Trump movement will be represented at the DNC


I’m not a fan of this. Never Trump Republicans aren’t going to move the needle much at this point. This is the DNC convention and the opportunity should be focused on amplifying voices from the segments where Biden is trailing behind (more Progressive youth and Hispanic voices).


I don't see these as mutually exclusive propositions


You're letting him take to our Convention stage to the exclusion of others. We need to make them bend a knee, not put them on a pedestal. I don't want to even hear from Kasich until he provides his mea culpa for all of his misdeeds. Fck him.

This is a horrible idea.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#227 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:24 pm

GONYK wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
what's the over under on george bush or perhaps jeb speaking at the dem convention :lol:


Jeb has low value IMO, but if they can do a line-up of former presidents they should if they can get Bush to do it. Carter is probably too old, but Bush, Clinton and Obama would be a solid trifecta.


I don't know if we want to be associating with the Clintons this time around


But Kasich you're okay with. :rofl:
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#228 » by GONYK » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:27 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Jeb has low value IMO, but if they can do a line-up of former presidents they should if they can get Bush to do it. Carter is probably too old, but Bush, Clinton and Obama would be a solid trifecta.


I don't know if we want to be associating with the Clintons this time around


But Kasich you're okay with. :rofl:


Well, one would increase the odds of appealing to voters that could damage Trump's re-election effort, and the other would not.

So yea, seems like a no-brainer.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#229 » by GONYK » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:28 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
I’m not a fan of this. Never Trump Republicans aren’t going to move the needle much at this point. This is the DNC convention and the opportunity should be focused on amplifying voices from the segments where Biden is trailing behind (more Progressive youth and Hispanic voices).


I don't see these as mutually exclusive propositions


You're letting him take to our Convention stage to the exclusion of others. We need to make them bend a knee, not put them on a pedestal. I don't want to even hear from Kasich until he provides his mea culpa for all of his misdeeds. Fck him.

This is a horrible idea.


What is your proof of this? Who is being excluded, exactly?
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#230 » by GONYK » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:34 pm

Did people believe that the convention would be all AOC types speaking for 3 days straight then just Biden at the end?
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#231 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:39 pm

GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
I don't know if we want to be associating with the Clintons this time around


But Kasich you're okay with. :rofl:


Well, one would increase the odds of appealing to voters that could damage Trump's re-election effort, and the other would not.

So yea, seems like a no-brainer.


If people are still having trouble deciding, then they're too far gone anyhow. Anyhow, you still don't put Kasich on the Convention stage for his Zell Miller moment. He can cut a campaign ad or two and go on TV and that's even better than one night on the Convention stage.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#232 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:41 pm

GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
I don't see these as mutually exclusive propositions


You're letting him take to our Convention stage to the exclusion of others. We need to make them bend a knee, not put them on a pedestal. I don't want to even hear from Kasich until he provides his mea culpa for all of his misdeeds. Fck him.

This is a horrible idea.


What is your proof of this? Who is being excluded, exactly?


Another speaker in place of him. How about a rising progressive star or two in the Party?

Look, you want to put a republican on stage, do this instead. Put up a republican voter(S) from swing states who voted for Trump and are no ruing the day. That would be effective.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#233 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:41 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Jeb has low value IMO, but if they can do a line-up of former presidents they should if they can get Bush to do it. Carter is probably too old, but Bush, Clinton and Obama would be a solid trifecta.


I don't know if we want to be associating with the Clintons this time around


But Kasich you're okay with. :rofl:


Take it easy, Che Guevingo, the progressives will get their moment. :D
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#234 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:42 pm

GONYK wrote:Did people believe that the convention would be all AOC types speaking for 3 days straight then just Biden at the end?


You'd rather put up republicans to discuss the benefits of tax cuts and anti-abortion rights?
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#235 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:43 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
I don't know if we want to be associating with the Clintons this time around


But Kasich you're okay with. :rofl:


Take it easy, Che Guevingo, the progressives will get their moment. :D


:P

If you want to put your token republican on the stage, then do it on day one at 6:30 pm on Day 1.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#236 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:47 pm

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In addition to Henry’s alleged violent sexual misconduct, the lawsuit also claims sexual harassment by Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Howard Kurtz, and Gianno Caldwell.

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A former Fox News reporter and associate producer, along with a frequent guest on the network, have leveled brutal and disturbing sexual-assault allegations against former host Ed Henry as well as harassment allegations against current on-air talent like hosts Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Howard Kurtz.


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During Areu’s March 8, 2018 appearance on Hannity’s show, the lawsuit alleged, the prime-time star “threw $100 on the set desk. He then began calling out to the men in the room and demanding that someone take Ms. Areu out on a date for drinks at Del Friscos. He repeatedly yelled “who wants to take her on a date?’ “Take her on a date to Del Friscos.’ Ms. Areu was completely mortified and made clear that she was incredibly uncomfortable with Mr. Hannity’s misogynistic behavior by quietly pleading with one of her friends in the room to accept the money so that the humiliation would end.”

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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#237 » by GONYK » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:47 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
GONYK wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
You're letting him take to our Convention stage to the exclusion of others. We need to make them bend a knee, not put them on a pedestal. I don't want to even hear from Kasich until he provides his mea culpa for all of his misdeeds. Fck him.

This is a horrible idea.


What is your proof of this? Who is being excluded, exactly?


Another speaker in place of him. How about a rising progressive star or two in the Party?

Look, you want to put a republican on stage, do this instead. Put up a republican voter(S) from swing states who voted for Trump and are no ruing the day. That would be effective.


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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#238 » by robillionaire » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:55 pm

GONYK wrote:Did people believe that the convention would be all AOC types speaking for 3 days straight then just Biden at the end?


not wanting to have literal republican neo-cons speaking is not the same as demanding all aoc types
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#239 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:26 pm

robillionaire wrote:
GONYK wrote:Did people believe that the convention would be all AOC types speaking for 3 days straight then just Biden at the end?


not wanting to have literal republican neo-cons speaking is not the same as demanding all aoc types


I’d be will to allow them to clean the restrooms and sell popcorn (but not both, ew), shoe shines, take tickets.
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Re: Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce 

Post#240 » by j4remi » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:07 pm

GONYK wrote:Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? What are the perceived risks here?


Catering to conservatives who don't represent Democratic values isn't a productive long term strategy. I get that right now, the situation is unique so swing away. But it's literally the opposite of what Bitcofer preaches. In terms of Lincoln Project types, they can peel off donor money that could have gone to campaigns or actual left leaning groups who share our principles and aren't just aiming to grift and regain some steam they lost as members of the Bush administration.
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