Knicks- Hornets PG

[xNewYorkMadex]

RJ really doesn’t deserve to start. His only NBA skill right now is he’s a good rebounder for a guard.

His development is key for this team since we traded our last high lotto pick for scraps, and RJ right now is struggling so hard that you have to question if he will ever each the level he’s capable of reaching. RJ was talking how mad he was that he wasn’t chosen as a member of the all-rookie team and has shown nothing to prove anyone wrong.

Hornets tonight repeatedly left him wide open wanting him to shoot, and he failed every single time. But whats more frustrating was his inability for most of the night to covert at the rim or even draw ft attempts. Some of his attempts at the rim were extremely awkward and just begging to get blocked. Doesn’t go up strong at all and doesn’t body hunt to get to the line. He needs to figure something out and watch tapes of other players to improve his game. Knocking down the 3 is obviously a big step, but it doesn’t make sense to me how drastically worse he has become compared to last yr w/ his jumper.

Many if you guys want IQ to start too, but he hasn’t shown that he’s deserving either. Doesn’t really penetrate to the rim effectively and his handle isn’t that good at all. The youngins of IQ, RJ, Knox, Mitch all got playing time together and their offense looked like a damn high school team. That zone absolutely embarrassed them and they had no idea how to attack it. I’m not a fan of Elfrid whatsoever, but no one has outplayed him, which is sad because Elfrid hasn’t really played well either. Elfrid is the only one that can attack the defense and find angles to the rim, he sucks at everything else, but no other guard on the team can even accomplish that one single aspect of the game.

I’ve praised Randle all season long, tonight he showed poor leadership. From blaming Knox for his own idiotic passes, his low awareness on defense, and once again committing grade school level decisions when bringing the ball up court. Seems like once a game he makes brain dead decisions on the backcourt.

I’ve said this countless times now, but the lack of 3 point shooters on this team will bury us. Our offense and personnel on the team just has too many holes and is easily guarded. RJ and Payton both are killing this team w/ the lack of shooting, then paired w/ Mitch (who has to start) is another non threat from outside the paint. If you replace IQ w/ Payton, we lose effective penetration and IQ has not shown at all he’s ready for the NBA 3. Think he’s 1 for his last 12 from beyond the arc. So it’s not like he’s that much better than Elfrid from 3.

Thibs needs to play more players, he knows he has a rep for running players into the ground and he’s living up to it. The Knicks aren’t a playoff team so it’s not like it will really matter once we get to the end of the season, but he needs to give other players some minutes.

[johanliebert]

DSJ deserves another shot at the rotation.

Quickley is far from what fans on this forum billed him as.

[HarthorneWingo]

In 11 games, RJ has had two 3-point shooting streaks:

1. 0-21
2. 2-21

I saw the post game show where Wally said that RJ just has to stop shooting the 3-point shot and concentrate on slashing to the basket with this left hand. Really Wally? Against a NBA zone where everyone and their grandmother knows RJ can only go to his left?

I'm tired of seeing him start. Start Knox at SF.

Payton
Rivers
Mitch
Randle
Knox

[HarthorneWingo]

DSJ deserves another shot at the rotation.

Quickley is far from what fans on this forum billed him as.

Clearly too many games have passed since the last time you watched DSJ play that you've forgotten how putrid he was. Sign Kadeem Allen to a 10-day contact.

[Jump Shot]

They should ship this franchise out to Seattle, ship Dolan with them, and start an expansion franchise New York Knicks in a year or two.

This one is rotten down to the core.

[YouthMovement]

being a knicks fan is exhausting.

[Sark]

I like Thibs' thinking. He will get the vets injured with heavy minutes and he will be "forced" to go all youth. Smart.

RJ and Randle are 1 & 2 in minutes. Unbelievable.

[prophet_of_rage]

DSJ deserves another shot at the rotation.

Quickley is far from what fans on this forum billed him as.

Not billed ... prayed. A flash of hope here and there gets hyperbolised the same way as any mistske.

We are watching the growing pains of being a tank team that for yeats has never byilt around a single player or created sn identity.



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[TheDavinciCHODE]

I was never high on RJ, even though I do like him as a player. I haven't given up on him yet. If his shooting comes around, he'll be a good player. He's too hard of a worker, too strong, too smart to fail if he can actually make shots at an average clip.

There is a path for him to be a very good NBA player, but it's long and steep.

But...

his lack of shooting and defensive issues mean he'll contribute most when the ball is in his hands, which will decrease the team's ceiling UNLESS he makes massive strides as a playmaker.

His lack of shooting, lack of athleticism, and lack of any 1 particular skill did not bode well for his future in the NBA, at least not as a high-level contributor.

I always ask this question about draft picks:

Who is he in the league? What is his role and who in the league can you point and say RJ has a reasonably easy path to becoming that guy?

Mitch?

Rim protector and rim runner. I think he's already proven he's capable of lynchpinning a defense IF he can stay on the floor.

Knox?

Name any high-clip spot shooter on the bench around the NBA. He's 6'9 and could reasonably shoot 38% from deep for the rest of his career. If he can do that, he'll stay in the league 10 years. He won't be anything special, but he'll get plenty of run.

Frank?

Patrick Beverly. You don't have squint very hard to see Frank fitting the 3 + D point guard role on a competent team, even if just as a back up.

Quickly?

Lou Williams? Austin Rivers? Bench combo guard and spark plug. Plenty of those guys in the league, and everyone needs a guy who can get you a random 15 points and get hot from deep.

But who is RJ? Is there a bully pall shooting guard in the league who's a good rebounder, an OK defender on a good night, and can be a secondary playmaker at best?

Derozan? Too skilled and incredible shotmaking/footwork. RJ won't be that player, even IF his shot comes around.

Jimmy Butler? You mean an elite defender and bona fide late-game shot creator/taker/maker that also hits 3's at about 35%? That's a LONG ROAD for RJ, and Jimmy came into the league with the defensive acumen already - RJ no.

I saw one scout say Joe Ingles - a secondary or tertiary playmaker who can hit shots, move the ball, and do high-IQ plays - that's probably not gonna happen. Joe shot 40% from 3 in multiple seasons and is a high-level shot creator.

I think the comparisons to Kelly Oubre or Rodney Hood are fair, albeit with a higher ceiling.

I'm not ready to give up on him, because if his spot up 3's and playmaking game take a step or two forward, he'll be a very solid pro.

But IF RJ reaches his ceiling, who is he going to be in this league? I am just not seeing it right now.

[thebuzzardman]

DSJ deserves another shot at the rotation.

Quickley is far from what fans on this forum billed him as.

We should stick with Da Gawd Elfrid at PG.

[Jeff Van Gully]

i can't even read this thread. this is why you don't get too high after wins or low after losses. this right here.

who looks at this roster and sees some kind of underachiever? to be sniffing around .500 is an accomplishment to me. that's not some half full glass talk. there's a LOT of work to be done with what we have. AND we need more talent. but i'm still content to watch them work.

now if we're talking about roster construction and PT... fair. but that we are 5-6 being the problem... i got nothing for that.

[god shammgod]

I was never high on RJ, even though I do like him as a player. I haven't given up on him yet. If his shooting comes around, he'll be a good player. He's too hard of a worker, too strong, too smart to fail if he can actually make shots at an average clip.

There is a path for him to be a very good NBA player, but it's long and steep.

But...

his lack of shooting and defensive issues mean he'll contribute most when the ball is in his hands, which will decrease the team's ceiling UNLESS he makes massive strides as a playmaker.

His lack of shooting, lack of athleticism, and lack of any 1 particular skill did not bode well for his future in the NBA, at least not as a high-level contributor.

I always ask this question about draft picks:

Who is he in the league? What is his role and who in the league can you point and say RJ has a reasonably easy path to becoming that guy?

Mitch?

Rim protector and rim runner. I think he's already proven he's capable of lynchpinning a defense IF he can stay on the floor.

Knox?

Name any high-clip spot shooter on the bench around the NBA. He's 6'9 and could reasonably shoot 38% from deep for the rest of his career. If he can do that, he'll stay in the league 10 years. He won't be anything special, but he'll get plenty of run.

Frank?

Patrick Beverly. You don't have squint very hard to see Frank fitting the 3 + D point guard role on a competent team, even if just as a back up.

Quickly?

Lou Williams? Austin Rivers? Bench combo guard and spark plug. Plenty of those guys in the league, and everyone needs a guy who can get you a random 15 points and get hot from deep.

But who is RJ? Is there a bully pall shooting guard in the league who's a good rebounder, an OK defender on a good night, and can be a secondary playmaker at best?

Derozan? Too skilled and incredible shotmaking/footwork. RJ won't be that player, even IF his shot comes around.

Jimmy Butler? You mean an elite defender and bona fide late-game shot creator/taker/maker that also hits 3's at about 35%? That's a LONG ROAD for RJ, and Jimmy came into the league with the defensive acumen already - RJ no.

I saw one scout say Joe Ingles - a secondary or tertiary playmaker who can hit shots, move the ball, and do high-IQ plays - that's probably not gonna happen. Joe shot 40% from 3 in multiple seasons and is a high-level shot creator.

I think the comparisons to Kelly Oubre or Rodney Hood are fair, albeit with a higher ceiling.

I'm not ready to give up on him, because if his spot up 3's and playmaking game take a step or two forward, he'll be a very solid pro.

But IF RJ reaches his ceiling, who is he going to be in this league? I am just not seeing it right now.

rodney hood never shot lower than 35 percent from 3 in his career

[DaGawd]

I was never high on RJ, even though I do like him as a player. I haven't given up on him yet. If his shooting comes around, he'll be a good player. He's too hard of a worker, too strong, too smart to fail if he can actually make shots at an average clip.

There is a path for him to be a very good NBA player, but it's long and steep.

But...

his lack of shooting and defensive issues mean he'll contribute most when the ball is in his hands, which will decrease the team's ceiling UNLESS he makes massive strides as a playmaker.

His lack of shooting, lack of athleticism, and lack of any 1 particular skill did not bode well for his future in the NBA, at least not as a high-level contributor.

I always ask this question about draft picks:

Who is he in the league? What is his role and who in the league can you point and say RJ has a reasonably easy path to becoming that guy?

Mitch?

Rim protector and rim runner. I think he's already proven he's capable of lynchpinning a defense IF he can stay on the floor.

Knox?

Name any high-clip spot shooter on the bench around the NBA. He's 6'9 and could reasonably shoot 38% from deep for the rest of his career. If he can do that, he'll stay in the league 10 years. He won't be anything special, but he'll get plenty of run.

Frank?

Patrick Beverly. You don't have squint very hard to see Frank fitting the 3 + D point guard role on a competent team, even if just as a back up.

Quickly?

Lou Williams? Austin Rivers? Bench combo guard and spark plug. Plenty of those guys in the league, and everyone needs a guy who can get you a random 15 points and get hot from deep.

But who is RJ? Is there a bully pall shooting guard in the league who's a good rebounder, an OK defender on a good night, and can be a secondary playmaker at best?

Derozan? Too skilled and incredible shotmaking/footwork. RJ won't be that player, even IF his shot comes around.

Jimmy Butler? You mean an elite defender and bona fide late-game shot creator/taker/maker that also hits 3's at about 35%? That's a LONG ROAD for RJ, and Jimmy came into the league with the defensive acumen already - RJ no.

I saw one scout say Joe Ingles - a secondary or tertiary playmaker who can hit shots, move the ball, and do high-IQ plays - that's probably not gonna happen. Joe shot 40% from 3 in multiple seasons and is a high-level shot creator.

I think the comparisons to Kelly Oubre or Rodney Hood are fair, albeit with a higher ceiling.

I'm not ready to give up on him, because if his spot up 3's and playmaking game take a step or two forward, he'll be a very solid pro.

But IF RJ reaches his ceiling, who is he going to be in this league? I am just not seeing it right now.

rodney hood never shot lower than 35 percent from 3 in his career

Honestly... I’m liking an Evan Turner comparison for R more and more

[thebuzzardman]

I was never high on RJ, even though I do like him as a player. I haven't given up on him yet. If his shooting comes around, he'll be a good player. He's too hard of a worker, too strong, too smart to fail if he can actually make shots at an average clip.

There is a path for him to be a very good NBA player, but it's long and steep.

But...

his lack of shooting and defensive issues mean he'll contribute most when the ball is in his hands, which will decrease the team's ceiling UNLESS he makes massive strides as a playmaker.

His lack of shooting, lack of athleticism, and lack of any 1 particular skill did not bode well for his future in the NBA, at least not as a high-level contributor.

I always ask this question about draft picks:

Who is he in the league? What is his role and who in the league can you point and say RJ has a reasonably easy path to becoming that guy?

Mitch?

Rim protector and rim runner. I think he's already proven he's capable of lynchpinning a defense IF he can stay on the floor.

Knox?

Name any high-clip spot shooter on the bench around the NBA. He's 6'9 and could reasonably shoot 38% from deep for the rest of his career. If he can do that, he'll stay in the league 10 years. He won't be anything special, but he'll get plenty of run.

Frank?

Patrick Beverly. You don't have squint very hard to see Frank fitting the 3 + D point guard role on a competent team, even if just as a back up.

Quickly?

Lou Williams? Austin Rivers? Bench combo guard and spark plug. Plenty of those guys in the league, and everyone needs a guy who can get you a random 15 points and get hot from deep.

But who is RJ? Is there a bully pall shooting guard in the league who's a good rebounder, an OK defender on a good night, and can be a secondary playmaker at best?

Derozan? Too skilled and incredible shotmaking/footwork. RJ won't be that player, even IF his shot comes around.

Jimmy Butler? You mean an elite defender and bona fide late-game shot creator/taker/maker that also hits 3's at about 35%? That's a LONG ROAD for RJ, and Jimmy came into the league with the defensive acumen already - RJ no.

I saw one scout say Joe Ingles - a secondary or tertiary playmaker who can hit shots, move the ball, and do high-IQ plays - that's probably not gonna happen. Joe shot 40% from 3 in multiple seasons and is a high-level shot creator.

I think the comparisons to Kelly Oubre or Rodney Hood are fair, albeit with a higher ceiling.

I'm not ready to give up on him, because if his spot up 3's and playmaking game take a step or two forward, he'll be a very solid pro.

But IF RJ reaches his ceiling, who is he going to be in this league? I am just not seeing it right now.

rodney hood never shot lower than 35 percent from 3 in his career

Honestly... I’m liking an Evan Turner comparison for R more and more

Yup. The Tyreke Evans part of the Tyreke Evans Turner can be dropped. He's pure Evan Turner 2.0

[TKKnicks1]

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This is not the same RJ Barrett,he looks shifty in that video plus his handles look much better.

Wtf happened???

Very true. Hes moving like Kobe in that vid. Now he moves like a transformer.

[iLLmatic860]

Maybe I'm just trying to find light at the end of the tunnel but do you guys think RJ getting all these reps in nba action could ultimately help him progress in years to come. Maybe he needs to face adversity. Cuz lets be real. Hes getting wide open shots. Lets see how he handles this but unfortunately I don't think we will get that until year 3 or 4.

[iLLmatic860]

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This is not the same RJ Barrett,he looks shifty in that video plus his handles look much better.

Wtf happened???

Very true. Hes moving like Kobe in that vid. Now he moves like a transformer.

Honestly I never thought he played confidently alongside Elf and Randle. His energy always seem to be better when he played with Frank

[DaGawd]

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This is not the same RJ Barrett,he looks shifty in that video plus his handles look much better.

Wtf happened???

Very true. Hes moving like Kobe in that vid. Now he moves like a transformer.

Even at Duke he didn’t really show any real shiftiness.. he was mostly just overpowering dudes at the rim and getting buy on bully ball.. **** isn’t working in the NBA

[nedleeds]

What did y'all think of that sequence where Randle turned it over and got butthurt and barked on Knox? Who was right/wrong? Was that leadership or some sucker schit?

It’s why I’ve been saying I’m selling high.

You need to find a high buyer to get anything for Randle. High on crack.

[3toheadmelo]

Honestly he sounds like a good vet to keep around.

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