NewKnicks wrote:Celo wrote:NewKnicks wrote:Barnes will be a top 10 pick. Believe me or not, but he will be.
EDIT: Sorry for the multiples posts. Early drinking on a Friday will do that to ya..
Well, yeah, he may be. But I wasn't arguing that. To me, he's closer to the late lottery than he is to the top 5. But again, I wanna talk the player, not where he'll go in the draft because we can't say much about that yet.
I wish I knew why you're so confident in Barnes ShotHe has bad mechanics, there are no indicators like good FT shooting which could give you hope and some of his misses are UGLY. I couldn't give you 1 reason why I'd be optimistic in his shot right now.
And stop pretending like Volume doesn't matter. You said you've seen more than enough FSU. Then you should know why he wouldn't hit more shots if he'd shoot it more. Because that's simply not his game. And I'm personally doubting that it'll ever be a reliable aspect of his game.
Again: Rookie Springer has a clear role: Defend the best guard on D and hit the open shot on offense. You haven't answered my Barnes utilization question. Because yes, I have no doubt that he'll be a very good defender from the get go. But to make him work offensively, you have to get creative. What is way harder than putting a player on the perimeter and telling him to simply shoot open jumpers. If you expect Springer to be your primary ballhandler, then yes, he's years away. But if you develop him slowly, start using him as a 3&D Guard and then slowly expand his game, he can be a productive rookie from the get-go.
I think you're misunderstanding me. I never said Barnes has no hope offensively. I'm just saying he'll have a hard time as long as he won't prove that he can hit shots. His best skill on offense, his passing, won't be unlocked as long as opponents won't respect his shot. And I bet they sag off of him every time, go under every screen as well as helping off of him if needed. That's why I said he'll get the Elfrid treatment. Because that's what we're seeing right now night in night out.
Where are you getting your numbers from? Because I'm getting mine from Barttorvik, and they are different. Again, RJ had WAY MORE volume. You can't be serious if you're really thinking that doesn't matter. Anyway, Barnes 2P% is at 56 while RJ was at 53. So it's a really marginal difference. And then there's way too little context to just argument with the raw percentages. We'd need synergy numbers like how many of those shots were assisted, how closely were they guarded etc. While prospect RJs shooting was a concern, it wasn't in the slightest as much of a concern as it it for Barnes right now.
Regarding the other players who were bad shooters as Freshman: I'd love to see their high school numbers, but I don't know where to get them. Google's showing me a site called maxpreps, but I can't access it. I don't have any context to argue your comparisions. I don't know how players like Bullock or Portis were perceived as Freshman, I don't know what the scouting reports said about their shooting and I don't know what their HS numbers projected them to be. I found some clips of them as HS players on YouTube. You see them both shooting, even of the dribble, and their mechanics look fine. Whereas if you look for a Barnes HS tape, all you see is some dunks and passing, there's maybe like one C&S Shot in it?
And Randle is once again one of those outlier developments. We haven't seen something like this before. Again, I admitted, that such development is possible, never doubted it. I'm just saying it's not probable. If you really think it's probable for Barnes, tell me why. Maybe I'll see it then, too. But saying it can be done just because other players have done it before is literally the worst argument you can make.
I gave you PROOF with specific players (three of them on our Knicks) that shot close to what Barne's shot in freshman years. These are inarguable facts, yet you don't consider them proof of anything. That's not my fault.
Done here, my friend. We'll see in a few months if my prediction on where Barne's will be drafted, and a few years after we're able to evaluate the transition of all the players in this coming draft.
You can't be serious if you're saying you gave me proof because you've named 3 players
That's a pity, because I really would've liked to know why you think that he'll be able to shoot. But as I've seen now, you don't have any arguments. Agree to disagree then!
