OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[Clyde_Style]

Understand that during the initial crisis leadership was lacking, unprofessional and contentious.

Now the same government (regardless of affiliation) confused, lackluster and embroiled, want us to follow them.

People are not having it. Lies, deciet, old, pitting Americans against eachother and we're suppose to trust you?

Delta, varriants, wu, boosters, Bill Gates, Fauci, bats, etc.

No wonder only 52% of Americans are diving head first into these vaccination

How so?

Biden’s administration made it so you could walk into a pharmacy in every town and get a free shot. The characterization of Trump’s handling is accurate, but not of the current regime. They mobilized quickly the largest vaccination program in our country’s history.

That's true bit I also understand that affiliations have a tendency to cloud perceptions but Americans just don't trust the Government as an entity and in general.
The people I speak to don't like the old or current class of characters.

Yeah and Americans tend to make broad statements that they’re all the same when the past five years flies in the face of such useless generalizations

[Jalen Bluntson]

Maybe the world should have all volunteered to get polio instead of getting the polio vaccine and been happy with our crippled arms and legs to achieve herd immunity.

What a stupid comment.

It was a rhetorical question not a personal attack

I'm lost.

[stuporman]

Herd immunity is the answer. Why do people act like natural immunity is meaningless? I mean....you think booster shots every 8 months is the answer? It will go away when it runs through everyone. All we have managed to do is slow the pace and lessen the symptoms. Nothing is stopping this.

Maybe the world should have all volunteered to get polio instead of getting the polio vaccine and been happy with our crippled arms and legs to achieve herd immunity.

What a stupid comment.

Herd immunity is when there are enough people who are immune, mathematically speaking the estimate is every 2 of 3 people or 3 of 4 people, that the virus has less of a chance to spread rampantly. There is a difference in how a population gets to herd immunity that has dramatically different consequences.

If people get a safe and effective vaccination then very few get sick with the actual virus and if they do catch it they overwhelmingly have very little symptoms, little to no long term consequences and very few deaths. Herd immunity is attained this way with the least amount of negative effects as possible.

This natural immunity approach to herd immunity is when that ratio of immune people is reached through people actually getting sick. Every virus or disease is different but if the US were to have tried that with covid it would take over 200 million people getting covid to reach herd immunity not including variants.

That would have resulted in millions of people including children dying of it, tens of millions of people including children having long term and/or life long health issues from it and an overrun heath care system that would have resulted in many more deaths and long term health issues from other people that had other health care needs who couldn't get health care because the hospitals are filled with covid patients.

It's easy to throw around buzzwords like herd immunity and natural immunity thinking it's the rebuttal to getting a vaccine but without understanding what these words mean and the process of them it's not a productive discussion. Are you willing to risk tens of millions of people's including you and your family's lives for it if there's a more safe and effective way to avoid it?

Having to get boosters because of variants or fading immunity, which also is a problem with natural immunity as well, is still a far better way of achieving herd immunity to limit the negative effects on people lives and the society altogether.

So the comment wasn't so stupid. With polio it would be disastrous to attempt the natural immunity method but with something like chicken pox it's not very problematic.

Just something to consider.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Maybe the world should have all volunteered to get polio instead of getting the polio vaccine and been happy with our crippled arms and legs to achieve herd immunity.

What a stupid comment.

Herd immunity is when there are enough people who are immune, mathematically speaking the estimate is every 2 of 3 people or 3 of 4 people, that the virus has less of a chance to spread rampantly. There is a difference in how a population gets to herd immunity that has dramatically different consequences.

If people get a safe and effective vaccination then very few get sick with the actual virus and if they do catch it they overwhelmingly have very little symptoms, little to no long term consequences and very few deaths. Herd immunity is attained this way with the least amount of negative effects as possible.

This natural immunity approach to herd immunity is when that ratio of immune people is reached through people actually getting sick. Every virus or disease is different but if the US were to have tried that with covid it would take over 200 million people getting covid to reach herd immunity not including variants.

That would have resulted in millions of people including children dying of it, tens of millions of people including children having long term and/or life long health issues from it and an overrun heath care system that would have resulted in many more deaths and long term health issues from other people that had other health care needs who couldn't get health care because the hospitals are filled with covid patients.

It's easy to throw around buzzwords like herd immunity and natural immunity thinking it's the rebuttal to getting a vaccine but without understanding what these words mean and the process of them it's not a productive discussion. Are you willing to risk tens of millions of people's including you and your family's lives for it if there's a more safe and effective way to avoid it?

Having to get boosters because of variants or fading immunity, which also is a problem with natural immunity as well, is still a far better way of achieving herd immunity to limit the negative effects on people lives and the society altogether.

So the comment wasn't so stupid. With polio it would be disastrous to attempt the natural immunity method but with something like chicken pox it's not very problematic.

Just something to consider.

Huh? Lots of people getting vaccinated... PLUS people who have survived having Covid and now have antibodies...should be slowing things down.

I think you people need to calm down. The disease is nowhere on the same level as polio. There is absolutely NO WAY OF KNOWING who has even had Covid or hasn't. That would require three tests a week for the length of the pandemic. For everyone. The disease is flying around under the radar. Many people don't even know they had it!

There is a lot to learn about the disease still and the vaccines. Why everyone acts like an expert when discussing it is beyond me.

All I know is...it was just in my house and I didn't get it. I just got my second Pfizer dose. I think people who are high risk need to learn about the disease and protect themselves from it. However they see fit. As we know ..the vaccine isn't stopping the spread of the disease so...protect yourself because it is reducing the severity of the symptoms for those who do get it. So...there immunity will happen no matter what.

[stuporman]

What a stupid comment.

Herd immunity is when there are enough people who are immune, mathematically speaking the estimate is every 2 of 3 people or 3 of 4 people, that the virus has less of a chance to spread rampantly. There is a difference in how a population gets to herd immunity that has dramatically different consequences.

If people get a safe and effective vaccination then very few get sick with the actual virus and if they do catch it they overwhelmingly have very little symptoms, little to no long term consequences and very few deaths. Herd immunity is attained this way with the least amount of negative effects as possible.

This natural immunity approach to herd immunity is when that ratio of immune people is reached through people actually getting sick. Every virus or disease is different but if the US were to have tried that with covid it would take over 200 million people getting covid to reach herd immunity not including variants.

That would have resulted in millions of people including children dying of it, tens of millions of people including children having long term and/or life long health issues from it and an overrun heath care system that would have resulted in many more deaths and long term health issues from other people that had other health care needs who couldn't get health care because the hospitals are filled with covid patients.

It's easy to throw around buzzwords like herd immunity and natural immunity thinking it's the rebuttal to getting a vaccine but without understanding what these words mean and the process of them it's not a productive discussion. Are you willing to risk tens of millions of people's including you and your family's lives for it if there's a more safe and effective way to avoid it?

Having to get boosters because of variants or fading immunity, which also is a problem with natural immunity as well, is still a far better way of achieving herd immunity to limit the negative effects on people lives and the society altogether.

So the comment wasn't so stupid. With polio it would be disastrous to attempt the natural immunity method but with something like chicken pox it's not very problematic.

Just something to consider.

Huh? Lots of people getting vaccinated... PLUS people who have survived having Covid and now have antibodies...should be slowing things down.

I think you people need to calm down. The disease is nowhere on the same level as polio. There is absolutely NO WAY OF KNOWING who has even had Covid or hasn't. That would require three tests a week for the length of the pandemic. For everyone. The disease is flying around under the radar. Many people don't even know they had it!

There is a lot to learn about the disease still and the vaccines. Why everyone acts like an expert when discussing it is beyond me.

All I know is...it was just in my house and I didn't get it. I just got my second Pfizer dose. I think people who are high risk need to learn about the disease and protect themselves from it. However they see fit. As we know ..the vaccine isn't stopping the spread of the disease so...protect yourself because it is reducing the severity of the symptoms for those who do get it. So...there immunity will happen no matter what.

I apologize my explanation of those terms and the process of them wasn't able to be understood, I tried to keep it as straight forward as possible but your reply indicates some things were missed.

Who said covid was the same as polio.... is that what you heard? Strange since I don't see anyone saying that. Maybe it's you who needs to calm down with the histrionics.

The reason the vaccine hasn't stopped the spread is because there are 10s of millions of people who refuse to get it and hospitals report that virtually all the people being admitted are unvaccinated but that's the fault of vaccines?

I guess some people have a tough time staying calm when their friends and family die because liars and grifters spread so much misinformation and those people refuse to take any precautions so it kills people.

[Clyde_Style]

What a stupid comment.

It was a rhetorical question not a personal attack

I'm lost.

Yes, we see that. And most here who have engaged with you in this thread have made an effort to help you sort out your concerns regarding covid. So while you’re wrangling with data you still don’t always process fully how about you refrain from making irresponsible statements about how we should all just do the herd immunity mambo? You’re still trying to figure out your own situation and are in no position to advocate something you clearly barely understand

[Jalen Bluntson]

It was a rhetorical question not a personal attack

I'm lost.

Yes, we see that. And most here who have engaged with you in this thread have made an effort to help you sort out your concerns regarding covid. So while you’re wrangling with data you still don’t always process fully how about you refrain from making irresponsible statements about how we should all just do the herd immunity mambo? You’re still trying to figure out your own situation and are in no position to advocate something you clearly barely understand

Wrong. I'm stating that with people getting Covid and people getting vaccinated. Herd immunity should arrive sooner than later. Which is a fact. The disease is not being eradicated by any means. It will run through everyone at some point. Vaccine or not. Currently all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little. So...you people need to stop acting like this is polio and a polio vaccine with your ridiculous comments. It is only fatal to high risk people and a minute percentage of healthy people. Stop acting like it's polio or the mumps or whatever. It is none of those. False equivalence. Period.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm lost.

Yes, we see that. And most here who have engaged with you in this thread have made an effort to help you sort out your concerns regarding covid. So while you’re wrangling with data you still don’t always process fully how about you refrain from making irresponsible statements about how we should all just do the herd immunity mambo? You’re still trying to figure out your own situation and are in no position to advocate something you clearly barely understand

Wrong. I'm stating that with people getting Covid and people getting vaccinated. Herd immunity should arrive sooner than later. Which is a fact. The disease is not being eradicated by any means. It will run through everyone at some point. Vaccine or not. Currently all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little. So...you people need to stop acting like this is polio and a polio vaccine with your ridiculous comments. It is only fatal to high risk people and a minute percentage of healthy people. Stop acting like it's polio or the mumps or whatever. It is none of those. False equivalence. Period.

I give up with you. You never stretch yourself, just make broad generalizations without supporting information. That you’re now stuck on the thought that anyone was saying covid = polio says it all. You really don’t get it. That you state something is a fact is basically meaningless. You are not qualified to tell anyone when the pandemic will end or how fast herd immunity will be achieved. It’s laughable that you assume authority on the subject and call things facts that you have very little grasp of.

Why would anyone trust your interpretation when you very recently still trotted out the ludicrous notion there is no difference between political parties? After all we’ve been through and you still walk that talk? That kind of irresponsible talk we can all do without. Maybe you actually believe it is OK that in Texas the GOP wants to force 14 year old rape victims to bring a child to term. All politicians are corrupt so they’re basically the same according to you. I mean what difference does it make which party is in power according to you. That’s the kind of generalizations you like to make and you’re incredibly rude about everything you don’t agree with and I’m tired of your attitude when people who give you a thoughtful comment or response get crapped on by you. You have bad manners

[Zenzibar]

How so?

Biden’s administration made it so you could walk into a pharmacy in every town and get a free shot. The characterization of Trump’s handling is accurate, but not of the current regime. They mobilized quickly the largest vaccination program in our country’s history.

That's true bit I also understand that affiliations have a tendency to cloud perceptions but Americans just don't trust the Government as an entity and in general.
The people I speak to don't like the old or current class of characters.

Yeah and Americans tend to make broad statements that they’re all the same when the past five years flies in the face of such useless generalizations

You're right, it's absolutely a more relaxed atmosphere these days. But yet I have to asl myself, aren't there any young polital stars around that we can respect for their candidness, intellect and ability to provide cohesion amoungst the populace.

What we have here is that the interest groups have more say into the direction this countries goes toward than we do. Removing us from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and accords was nuts! Did we have a say? No.

That's just 1 example but a monumental one, there are dozens of these examples for every President maybe ever. All because the President, regardless of party, has to bend over for these groups and leave us, the voter, always short somehow.

[Zenzibar]

Yes, we see that. And most here who have engaged with you in this thread have made an effort to help you sort out your concerns regarding covid. So while you’re wrangling with data you still don’t always process fully how about you refrain from making irresponsible statements about how we should all just do the herd immunity mambo? You’re still trying to figure out your own situation and are in no position to advocate something you clearly barely understand

Wrong. I'm stating that with people getting Covid and people getting vaccinated. Herd immunity should arrive sooner than later. Which is a fact. The disease is not being eradicated by any means. It will run through everyone at some point. Vaccine or not. Currently all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little. So...you people need to stop acting like this is polio and a polio vaccine with your ridiculous comments. It is only fatal to high risk people and a minute percentage of healthy people. Stop acting like it's polio or the mumps or whatever. It is none of those. False equivalence. Period.

I give up with you. You never stretch yourself, just make broad generalizations without supporting information. That you’re now stuck on the thought that anyone was saying covid = polio says it all. You really don’t get it. That you state something is a fact is basically meaningless. You are not qualified to tell anyone when the pandemic will end or how fast herd immunity will be achieved. It’s laughable that you assume authority on the subject and call things facts that you have very little grasp of.

Why would anyone trust your interpretation when you very recently still trotted out the ludicrous notion there is no difference between political parties? After all we’ve been through and you still walk that talk? That kind of irresponsible talk we can all do without. Maybe you actually believe it is OK that in Texas the GOP wants to force 14 year old rape victims to bring a child to term. All politicians are corrupt so they’re basically the same according to you. I mean what difference does it make which party is in power according to you. That’s the kind of generalizations you like to make and you’re incredibly rude about everything you don’t agree with and I’m tired of your attitude when people who give you a thoughtful comment or response get crapped on by you. You have bad manners

From what I see, is you the one attacking AWTY, because he has a different point of view.

[Clyde_Style]

Wrong. I'm stating that with people getting Covid and people getting vaccinated. Herd immunity should arrive sooner than later. Which is a fact. The disease is not being eradicated by any means. It will run through everyone at some point. Vaccine or not. Currently all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little. So...you people need to stop acting like this is polio and a polio vaccine with your ridiculous comments. It is only fatal to high risk people and a minute percentage of healthy people. Stop acting like it's polio or the mumps or whatever. It is none of those. False equivalence. Period.

I give up with you. You never stretch yourself, just make broad generalizations without supporting information. That you’re now stuck on the thought that anyone was saying covid = polio says it all. You really don’t get it. That you state something is a fact is basically meaningless. You are not qualified to tell anyone when the pandemic will end or how fast herd immunity will be achieved. It’s laughable that you assume authority on the subject and call things facts that you have very little grasp of.

Why would anyone trust your interpretation when you very recently still trotted out the ludicrous notion there is no difference between political parties? After all we’ve been through and you still walk that talk? That kind of irresponsible talk we can all do without. Maybe you actually believe it is OK that in Texas the GOP wants to force 14 year old rape victims to bring a child to term. All politicians are corrupt so they’re basically the same according to you. I mean what difference does it make which party is in power according to you. That’s the kind of generalizations you like to make and you’re incredibly rude about everything you don’t agree with and I’m tired of your attitude when people who give you a thoughtful comment or response get crapped on by you. You have bad manners

From what I see, is you the one attacking AWTY, because he has a different point of view.

I’m done with it either way so see it how you wish. That’s your prerogative

[Zenzibar]

Maybe the world should have all volunteered to get polio instead of getting the polio vaccine and been happy with our crippled arms and legs to achieve herd immunity.

What a stupid comment.

Herd immunity is when there are enough people who are immune, mathematically speaking the estimate is every 2 of 3 people or 3 of 4 people, that the virus has less of a chance to spread rampantly. There is a difference in how a population gets to herd immunity that has dramatically different consequences.

If people get a safe and effective vaccination then very few get sick with the actual virus and if they do catch it they overwhelmingly have very little symptoms, little to no long term consequences and very few deaths. Herd immunity is attained this way with the least amount of negative effects as possible.

This natural immunity approach to herd immunity is when that ratio of immune people is reached through people actually getting sick. Every virus or disease is different but if the US were to have tried that with covid it would take over 200 million people getting covid to reach herd immunity not including variants.

That would have resulted in millions of people including children dying of it, tens of millions of people including children having long term and/or life long health issues from it and an overrun heath care system that would have resulted in many more deaths and long term health issues from other people that had other health care needs who couldn't get health care because the hospitals are filled with covid patients.

It's easy to throw around buzzwords like herd immunity and natural immunity thinking it's the rebuttal to getting a vaccine but without understanding what these words mean and the process of them it's not a productive discussion. Are you willing to risk tens of millions of people's including you and your family's lives for it if there's a more safe and effective way to avoid it?

Having to get boosters because of variants or fading immunity, which also is a problem with natural immunity as well, is still a far better way of achieving herd immunity to limit the negative effects on people lives and the society altogether.

So the comment wasn't so stupid. With polio it would be disastrous to attempt the natural immunity method but with something like chicken pox it's not very problematic.

Just something to consider.

Right understood, but you can also reach herd immunity if you have a large segment vaccinated and also many of those not vaccinated have natural antibodies that does the same thing.

That's a better equation than otracizing those that feel that they are strong and fit enough to develop a natural immunity.

[Clyde_Style]

That's true bit I also understand that affiliations have a tendency to cloud perceptions but Americans just don't trust the Government as an entity and in general.
The people I speak to don't like the old or current class of characters.

Yeah and Americans tend to make broad statements that they’re all the same when the past five years flies in the face of such useless generalizations

You're right, it's absolutely a more relaxed atmosphere these days. But yet I have to asl myself, aren't there any young polital stars around that we can respect for their candidness, intellect and ability to provide cohesion amoungst the populace.

What we have here is that the interest groups have more say into the direction this countries goes toward than we do. Removing us from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and accords was nuts! Did we have a say? No.

That's just 1 example but a monumental one, there are dozens of these examples for every President maybe ever. All because the President, regardless of party, has to bend over for these groups and leave us, the voter, always short somehow.

I’ve always said campaign finance reform is the only way to really shake things up for the better.

For instance, while I believe in government-backed alternative energy projects at scale to achieve a lighter carbon footprint I have yet to see any kind of inroads made to lessen the power and profits of the big oil companies. Kind of hard to do massive public works without stepping on the toes of the oil interests. Biden’s administration recently said they were investigating price rigging by the oil companies, but that could result in a few billion in fines and back to business as usual.

So I don’t see that kind of breakthrough in our politics imminent, but it could happen. The West is burning, NO is under water again. People have to demand that kind of change and I wonder if we’ll get that kind of popular support for real climate change politics that limit the profiteers and try to mitigate pollutants in general.

I guess my primary concern right now is the Dems consolidating their hold on the Senate so they can really go at voting rights issues and kill the filibuster without needing Manchin and Sinema’s cooperation. If that happens, we’ll find out how progressive the party can be, because the demographics point towards multi-cultural voting blocs giving them the power if they play their cards right. But they need to consolidate power and block the fascists in the GOP to do that.

I don’t know who the shining knight will be so I don’t worry about it. It will require a lot of people to work together no matter what anyway.

[Zenzibar]

Yeah and Americans tend to make broad statements that they’re all the same when the past five years flies in the face of such useless generalizations

You're right, it's absolutely a more relaxed atmosphere these days. But yet I have to asl myself, aren't there any young polital stars around that we can respect for their candidness, intellect and ability to provide cohesion amoungst the populace.

What we have here is that the interest groups have more say into the direction this countries goes toward than we do. Removing us from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and accords was nuts! Did we have a say? No.

That's just 1 example but a monumental one, there are dozens of these examples for every President maybe ever. All because the President, regardless of party, has to bend over for these groups and leave us, the voter, always short somehow.

I’ve always said campaign finance reform is the only way to really shake things up for the better.

For instance, while I believe in government-backed alternative energy projects at scale to achieve a lighter carbon footprint I have yet to see any kind of inroads made to lessen the power and profits of the big oil companies. Kind of hard to do massive public works without stepping on the toes of the oil interests. Biden’s administration recently said they were investigating price rigging by the oil companies, but that could result in a few billion in fines and back to business as usual.

So I don’t see that kind of breakthrough in our politics imminent, but it could happen. The West is burning, NO is under water again. People have to demand that kind of change and I wonder if we’ll get that kind of popular support for real climate change politics that limit the profiteers and try to mitigate pollutants in general.

I guess my primary concern right now is the Dems consolidating their hold on the Senate so they can really go at voting rights issues and kill the filibuster without needing Manchin and Sinema’s cooperation. If that happens, we’ll find out how progressive the party can be, because the demographics point towards multi-cultural voting blocs giving them the power if they play their cards right. But they need to consolidate power and block the fascists in the GOP to do that.

I don’t know who the shining knight will be so I don’t worry about it. It will require a lot of people to work together no matter what anyway.

Your reply is both intriguing and educational. The cats need to put important decisions up for emergency votes and not decide for the interest groups; coercion, political blackmail, unlimited dollars etc.
We can be so much better if we had a true unadultered democracy.

[Clyde_Style]

You're right, it's absolutely a more relaxed atmosphere these days. But yet I have to asl myself, aren't there any young polital stars around that we can respect for their candidness, intellect and ability to provide cohesion amoungst the populace.

What we have here is that the interest groups have more say into the direction this countries goes toward than we do. Removing us from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and accords was nuts! Did we have a say? No.

That's just 1 example but a monumental one, there are dozens of these examples for every President maybe ever. All because the President, regardless of party, has to bend over for these groups and leave us, the voter, always short somehow.

I’ve always said campaign finance reform is the only way to really shake things up for the better.

For instance, while I believe in government-backed alternative energy projects at scale to achieve a lighter carbon footprint I have yet to see any kind of inroads made to lessen the power and profits of the big oil companies. Kind of hard to do massive public works without stepping on the toes of the oil interests. Biden’s administration recently said they were investigating price rigging by the oil companies, but that could result in a few billion in fines and back to business as usual.

So I don’t see that kind of breakthrough in our politics imminent, but it could happen. The West is burning, NO is under water again. People have to demand that kind of change and I wonder if we’ll get that kind of popular support for real climate change politics that limit the profiteers and try to mitigate pollutants in general.

I guess my primary concern right now is the Dems consolidating their hold on the Senate so they can really go at voting rights issues and kill the filibuster without needing Manchin and Sinema’s cooperation. If that happens, we’ll find out how progressive the party can be, because the demographics point towards multi-cultural voting blocs giving them the power if they play their cards right. But they need to consolidate power and block the fascists in the GOP to do that.

I don’t know who the shining knight will be so I don’t worry about it. It will require a lot of people to work together no matter what anyway.

Your reply is both intriguing and educational. The cats need to put important decisions up for emergency votes and not decide for the interest groups; coercion, political blackmail, unlimited dollars etc.
We can be so much better if we had a true unadultered democracy.

The only way out is in. We’re not reinventing this country from scratch. It either survives its brush with the death of democracy and regains its footing and tries to find a groove again where we don’t have to constantly deal with the idiotic meme that all politicians are evil. How does anyone expect the world to ever improve itself if all your society does is demonize the value of public service? That is all the right wing has done for 40 years while saying out the other sides of their mouth “vote for me, not them.” Running for political office should be something done out of honor and every day I hear someone in public talk chit about how you can’t trust anyone in power. Well I don’t trust anyone who won’t trust anyone else so I’ll just pay attention to the people who actually work inside the system and try to get something done.

[stuporman]

I'm lost.

Yes, we see that. And most here who have engaged with you in this thread have made an effort to help you sort out your concerns regarding covid. So while you’re wrangling with data you still don’t always process fully how about you refrain from making irresponsible statements about how we should all just do the herd immunity mambo? You’re still trying to figure out your own situation and are in no position to advocate something you clearly barely understand

Wrong. I'm stating that with people getting Covid and people getting vaccinated. Herd immunity should arrive sooner than later. Which is a fact. The disease is not being eradicated by any means. It will run through everyone at some point. Vaccine or not. Currently all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little. So...you people need to stop acting like this is polio and a polio vaccine with your ridiculous comments. It is only fatal to high risk people and a minute percentage of healthy people. Stop acting like it's polio or the mumps or whatever. It is none of those. False equivalence. Period.

The goal isn't just to get to herd immunity, it's to limit the number of people getting covid completely or if they do get it limit the amount of deaths and long term health consequences. "Herd immunity" is simply a byproduct of a majority of the population having antibodies for at least a certain amount of time if it can't be permanently without them suffering short and long term health consequences.

The difference is how we get to it and the consequences of the different methods is what I explained but you still don't seem to comprehend it's more important than just getting to it. You complain about other acting like experts then you go ahead and do it yourself while being factually inaccurate about your statements.

You say "all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little", which is flat out wrong. It prevent contracting it in many as well. The hospitals report it's like 99% of the admittances are unvaccinated, this is clearly demonstrating if you dont want to end up in the hospital get the vaccine, it's not complicated.

You keep posting and showing how ill informed you are about all of this including what other are saying to you. This much is abundantly clear.

[HarthorneWingo]

This guy’s got steel ones. Makes his own shtick about the mask less. I think he made his point.

Watch on YouTube

[Clyde_Style]

Yes, we see that. And most here who have engaged with you in this thread have made an effort to help you sort out your concerns regarding covid. So while you’re wrangling with data you still don’t always process fully how about you refrain from making irresponsible statements about how we should all just do the herd immunity mambo? You’re still trying to figure out your own situation and are in no position to advocate something you clearly barely understand

Wrong. I'm stating that with people getting Covid and people getting vaccinated. Herd immunity should arrive sooner than later. Which is a fact. The disease is not being eradicated by any means. It will run through everyone at some point. Vaccine or not. Currently all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little. So...you people need to stop acting like this is polio and a polio vaccine with your ridiculous comments. It is only fatal to high risk people and a minute percentage of healthy people. Stop acting like it's polio or the mumps or whatever. It is none of those. False equivalence. Period.

The goal isn't just to get to herd immunity, it's to limit the number of people getting covid completely or if they do get it limit the amount of deaths and long term health consequences. "Herd immunity" is simply a byproduct of a majority of the population having antibodies for at least a certain amount of time if it can't be permanently without them suffering short and long term health consequences.

The difference is how we get to it and the consequences of the different methods is what I explained but you still don't seem to comprehend it's more important than just getting to it. You complain about other acting like experts then you go ahead and do it yourself while being factually inaccurate about your statements.

You say "all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little", which is flat out wrong. It prevent contracting it in many as well. The hospitals report it's like 99% of the admittances are unvaccinated, this is clearly demonstrating if you dont want to end up in the hospital get the vaccine, it's not complicated.

You keep posting and showing how ill informed you are about all of this including what other are saying to you. This much is abundantly clear.

Yes to this and I would add that there are too many unknown future variables for anyone to say stuff like this is how it ends. Fact. Period.

The fact is we don’t know if, how or when this ends. Look at the Delta Variant. It started on the other side of the planet and worked its way here. We don’t know what future mutations will be. The U.S. could think its out of the woods and boom a variant that is way more lethal thrives in Africa and then lands here. So I’m tired of cheap, casual talk by people who don’t know what they’re talking about. And they should be called out, because it is just bad information and we’ve had enough of that

[stuporman]

Wrong. I'm stating that with people getting Covid and people getting vaccinated. Herd immunity should arrive sooner than later. Which is a fact. The disease is not being eradicated by any means. It will run through everyone at some point. Vaccine or not. Currently all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little. So...you people need to stop acting like this is polio and a polio vaccine with your ridiculous comments. It is only fatal to high risk people and a minute percentage of healthy people. Stop acting like it's polio or the mumps or whatever. It is none of those. False equivalence. Period.

The goal isn't just to get to herd immunity, it's to limit the number of people getting covid completely or if they do get it limit the amount of deaths and long term health consequences. "Herd immunity" is simply a byproduct of a majority of the population having antibodies for at least a certain amount of time if it can't be permanently without them suffering short and long term health consequences.

The difference is how we get to it and the consequences of the different methods is what I explained but you still don't seem to comprehend it's more important than just getting to it. You complain about other acting like experts then you go ahead and do it yourself while being factually inaccurate about your statements.

You say "all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little", which is flat out wrong. It prevent contracting it in many as well. The hospitals report it's like 99% of the admittances are unvaccinated, this is clearly demonstrating if you dont want to end up in the hospital get the vaccine, it's not complicated.

You keep posting and showing how ill informed you are about all of this including what other are saying to you. This much is abundantly clear.

Yes to this and I would add that there are too many unknown future variables for anyone to say stuff like this is how it ends. Fact. Period.

The fact is we don’t know if, how or when this ends. Look at the Delta Variant. It started on the other side of the planet and worked its way here. We don’t know what future mutations will be. The U.S. could think its out of the woods and boom a variant that is way more lethal thrives in Africa and then lands here. So I’m tired of cheap, casual talk by people who don’t know what they’re talking about. And they should be called out, because it is just bad information and we’ve had enough of that

The current endemic flu that comes around every winter is a ongoing variant of the pandemic flu of 1918 so who knows if covid will turn endemic as well. Although, the longer we let it hang around mutating the more chance it has to become it.

The thing is with the new vaccine mRNA technology many vaccines will be easier to create, be safer and will be more effective. The length of immunity it provides is something that will likely vary depending on what it's developed for.

[stuporman]

What a stupid comment.

Herd immunity is when there are enough people who are immune, mathematically speaking the estimate is every 2 of 3 people or 3 of 4 people, that the virus has less of a chance to spread rampantly. There is a difference in how a population gets to herd immunity that has dramatically different consequences.

If people get a safe and effective vaccination then very few get sick with the actual virus and if they do catch it they overwhelmingly have very little symptoms, little to no long term consequences and very few deaths. Herd immunity is attained this way with the least amount of negative effects as possible.

This natural immunity approach to herd immunity is when that ratio of immune people is reached through people actually getting sick. Every virus or disease is different but if the US were to have tried that with covid it would take over 200 million people getting covid to reach herd immunity not including variants.

That would have resulted in millions of people including children dying of it, tens of millions of people including children having long term and/or life long health issues from it and an overrun heath care system that would have resulted in many more deaths and long term health issues from other people that had other health care needs who couldn't get health care because the hospitals are filled with covid patients.

It's easy to throw around buzzwords like herd immunity and natural immunity thinking it's the rebuttal to getting a vaccine but without understanding what these words mean and the process of them it's not a productive discussion. Are you willing to risk tens of millions of people's including you and your family's lives for it if there's a more safe and effective way to avoid it?

Having to get boosters because of variants or fading immunity, which also is a problem with natural immunity as well, is still a far better way of achieving herd immunity to limit the negative effects on people lives and the society altogether.

So the comment wasn't so stupid. With polio it would be disastrous to attempt the natural immunity method but with something like chicken pox it's not very problematic.

Just something to consider.

Right understood, but you can also reach herd immunity if you have a large segment vaccinated and also many of those not vaccinated have natural antibodies that does the same thing.

That's a better equation than otracizing those that feel that they are strong and fit enough to develop a natural immunity.

I all for 'muh freedumbs' but how is people get sick better? They can choose not to get the jab if that is their inclination and they will have to deal with the consequences of their decisions but don't act like it's a better option to expose themselves and their families to this suffering because they want to own the libs or something. Facts don't care about feelings and the virus doesn't care how strong someone thinks they are.

The more people who catch it unvaxxed increase the number of people who are hospitalized, have short and long term complications and die. The evidence is pretty clear on this, this latest surge of hospitalizations are almost exclusively people who haven't gotten vaccinated and unvaxxed children who have been forced back into school with little to no precautions. People's political posturing is dragging this out worse than it could.